But It Was So Artistically Done: THE STAR WARS THREAD

[Gibberan]

Is it just me, or does Star Wars hate artillery and orbital bombing?

I can't even remember one of those being used against anything else than shields, some droid command ships and a Zillo beast. Why are they never used on large concentrations of enemies?

We see artillery a bit in Attack of the Clones and the Clone Wars movie, but I'd say field artillery as we know it is ineffective at best and obsolete at worst, with the development of orbital bombardment capabilities.

We do see orbital bombardment used a lot in books and comics, both Legends and Canon (most recently playing a significant role near the end of the Thrawn novel). I'd say they don't use it onscreen because it just seems anti-climactic cinematically.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Might get some orbital bombardment in The Last Jedi given the fuck huge guns on the bottom of the first order dreadnought.

Which i would approve of highly.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Is there really such a thing as a bottom in space?

[Ism]

Is there really such a thing as a bottom in space?

Relatively speaking, yes. Objectively speaking, I'd say no.

[Zanera]

Is it just me, or does Star Wars hate artillery and orbital bombing?

I can't even remember one of those being used against anything else than shields, some droid command ships and a Zillo beast. Why are they never used on large concentrations of enemies?

There's artillery and orbital bombing in EAW, though that's probably irrelevant...

[Saiwania]

I finally saw some of Disney's Star Wars: Forces of Destiny and ughh- what an atrocious piece of work. The old 3D animation for Clone Wars is a bit wooden but I'll take that over this new art style any day of the year. Anakin in this rendition looks more gender fluid and I don't like it one bit overall. But Yoda's design looks okay.

[Gibberan]

I finally saw some of Disney's Star Wars: Forces of Destiny and ughh- what an atrocious piece of work. The old 3D animation for Clone Wars is a bit wooden but I'll take that over this new art style any day of the year. Anakin in this rendition looks more gender fluid and I don't like it one bit overall. But Yoda's design looks okay.

Some people like it, but its definitely not for everybody. Same for the old (2003) Clone Wars cartoon.

I, for one, do not.

I also think they are some of the most pointless stories told in NuCanon to date.

[Saiwania]

Some people like it, but its definitely not for everybody. Same for the old (2003) Clone Wars cartoon. I, for one, do not. I also think they are some of the most pointless stories told in NuCanon to date.

Everything about it seems lazy and if it is only 3 minute shorts, why is a substantial chunk wasted on a title screen and narration intro?
The 2003 Clone Wars 2D animation looks better than this 2D animation, so my conclusion about this (for me anyways) is that it sucks!

[Maichuko]

Re-watching "Landing at point Rain" its one of my favorite episodes from the early seasons.

[Gibberan]

Re-watching "Landing at point Rain" its one of my favorite episodes from the early seasons.

Agreed. Even though for the first three or so seasons the Clone Wars was a bit shaky, the clone-centric episodes never disappoint.

[Pilarcraft]

Re-watching "Landing at point Rain" its one of my favorite episodes from the early seasons.

Agreed. Even though for the first three or so seasons the Clone Wars was a bit shaky, the clone-centric episodes never disappoint.

The first three seasons were overall weak, to be fair. I mean, they did have some good arcs, but the majority were weak. Still, clone-centric episodes all rocked.

[Bearon]

I need new poll suggestions.

[Zanera]

I need new poll suggestions.

"Was the destruction of the Second Death Star ewok genocide?

Yes
No
Get a better superweapon than a sphere with a dent in it"

[The first Galactic Republic]

I need new poll suggestions.

Greatest kid appeal characters.

Jar Jar
Ewoks
Porgs

You could arguably add the droids.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Maybe do a poll on how fucked up is it that they give battle droids apparent emotions and feelings when they get slaughtered so damn often with no hope in survival.

Like im near certain in some clone wars episodes those droids were nearly screaming in fear as they were killed by stuff.

Although it was... it was very amusing.

[Pilarcraft]

Maybe do a poll on how fucked up is it that they give battle droids apparent emotions and feelings when they get slaughtered so damn often with no hope in survival.

Like im near certain in some clone wars episodes those droids were nearly screaming in fear as they were killed by stuff.

Although it was... it was very amusing.

the droid banter in Clone Wars was one of my favorite parts of it lol.

Also, yeah. I think it was intentional.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Maybe do a poll on how fucked up is it that they give battle droids apparent emotions and feelings when they get slaughtered so damn often with no hope in survival.

Like im near certain in some clone wars episodes those droids were nearly screaming in fear as they were killed by stuff.

Although it was... it was very amusing.

But I just got promoted.

[Zanera]

Maybe do a poll on how fucked up is it that they give battle droids apparent emotions and feelings when they get slaughtered so damn often with no hope in survival.

Like im near certain in some clone wars episodes those droids were nearly screaming in fear as they were killed by stuff.

Although it was... it was very amusing.

Were they programmed like that or did they...exceed their programming?
Either way someone's fucked up.

[Ism]

Maybe do a poll on how fucked up is it that they give battle droids apparent emotions and feelings when they get slaughtered so damn often with no hope in survival.

Like im near certain in some clone wars episodes those droids were nearly screaming in fear as they were killed by stuff.

Although it was... it was very amusing.

Yeah, I'm watching ROTS now, and there were battle droids trying to get their comrades out Anakin and Obi wan's way (they're in the Invisible Hand's control room). There was even one that sort of shielded another droid from a lightsaber while urging him to run. It's more than a bit unsettling.

[Saiwania]

So I got up to Clone Wars S2e15 recently (after taking a year off from watching) and part of the episode plot was Senator Amidala trying to discontinue the production of more clones for the war effort in favor of diplomacy...What!?

How in the world does any of that make sense? Of course there is often a need for reinforcements during war time, even if it means maybe having to deficit spend. Does she want the Galactic Republic to start losing battles when they presumably still enjoy an advantage in the Clone Wars? I have to question why any bloc of Galactic Representatives would want to just give up that progress if the casualties are clones that nobody cares too much about?

Her motion failed in the Galactic Senate by the way, but nonetheless- this was bordering on Jeannette Rankin levels of foolishness and naivety. From any angle, I just can't see Padme ever really thinking that this is a good idea in the movies, only bad episode writing can get this.

[The first Galactic Republic]

So I got up to Clone Wars S2e15 recently (after taking a year off from watching) and part of the episode plot was Senator Amidala trying to discontinue the production of more clones for the war effort in favor of diplomacy...What!?

How in the world does any of that make sense? Of course there is often a need for reinforcements during war time, even if it means maybe having to deficit spend. Does she want the Galactic Republic to start losing battles when they presumably still enjoy an advantage in the Clone Wars? I have to question why any bloc of Galactic Representatives would want to just give up that progress if the casualties are clones that nobody cares too much about?

Her motion failed in the Galactic Senate by the way, but nonetheless- this was bordering on Jeannette Rankin levels of foolishness and naivety. From any angle, I just can't see Padme ever really thinking that this is a good idea in the movies, only bad episode writing can get this.

Padme was always against the war, so I guess she saw the continued production of clones as an escalation of sorts. Kind of like Americans now who wouldn't want more troops sent to Afghanistan. Sure it's a military advantage, but from a social perspective it represents a continuation of a war that many people want to just end. Most Republic citizens, especially in the core worlds, probably never even saw a Clone Wars battle, so there are probably a lot of Republic citizens that just see the war as a far away conflict that could be brought to a peaceful resolution. It didn't necessarily have to become a total war in their eyes. The war is still in its first year I think in season two. It hasn't escalated to what we see in ROTS yet.

In other episodes she tries to support negotiating with Separatist senators, so she still thinks the war can be brought to a peaceful resolution at this point. She even talks about negotiating with them in ROTS and also states that she doesn't have much faith in the Republic government, which causes Anakin to declare that she sounds like a Separatist.

Padme was also smart enough to see that the increased militarization of the Republic could turn it into something else, and she never bought into the fear mongering that Palpatine used to justify getting more and more authority. She didn't know about Palpatine's plot, but she always saw the war for what it was. She always knew it was a way to militarize the Republic, and she was trying to preserve the democracy that she knew.

There are also deleted scenes in ROTS where she basically tells Mon Mothma, Bail Organa, and Garm Bel Iblis to start a rebellion in secret. At that point she was willing to support treason, so it makes sense that she would gradually turn against the interests of the Republic, because it increasingly became a government she didn't want to be a part of.

[Alekseandrea]

The weird part is that nobody thinks of conscripting a Republic army or building it from volunteers.
If the expensive clones drive the republic to bankruptcy, paying volunteers/conscripts can't be THAT much worse.
It would also solve part of the unemployement issues plagueing the republic
and the volunteers/conscripts are quicker to get combat ready than clones.

What I also don't get is WHY the republic orders more clones.
It takes 10 years to get them combat-ready.
The clone wars lasted 3 years.
Thus the clones should have been bred more than 7 years BEFORE the clone wars to see battle.
Thus the clones they're using are part of the original order OR the kaminoans made a massive surplus of the clones with the original batch.
Since clones are expensive (which was a real issue), why are the kaminoians willing to risk that much capital?

Was the republic planning on fighting the seperatist 10+ years?

[Guardians of the Holy Bowling Alley]

The weird part is that nobody thinks of conscripting a Republic army or building it from volunteers.
If the expensive clones drive the republic to bankruptcy, paying volunteers/conscripts can't be THAT much worse.
It would also solve part of the unemployement issues plagueing the republic
and the volunteers/conscripts are quicker to get combat ready than clones.

What I also don't get is WHY the republic orders more clones.
It takes 10 years to get them combat-ready.
The clone wars lasted 3 years.
Thus the clones should have been bred more than 7 years BEFORE the clone wars to see battle.
Thus the clones they're using are part of the original order OR the kaminoans made a massive surplus of the clones with the original batch.
Since clones are expensive (which was a real issue), why are the kaminoians willing to risk that much capital?

Was the republic planning on fighting the seperatist 10+ years?

These were my thoughts exactly.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Heck the Old Republic had a military of its own, fleets, armies etc

Never got why the republic before the clone wars didnt have something similar. I get they relied on the jedi and stuff but come on, how many systems are there in the galaxy, never mind planets.

[Pilarcraft]

The weird part is that nobody thinks of conscripting a Republic army or building it from volunteers.
If the expensive clones drive the republic to bankruptcy, paying volunteers/conscripts can't be THAT much worse.
It would also solve part of the unemployement issues plagueing the republic
and the volunteers/conscripts are quicker to get combat ready than clones.

What I also don't get is WHY the republic orders more clones.
It takes 10 years to get them combat-ready.
The clone wars lasted 3 years.
Thus the clones should have been bred more than 7 years BEFORE the clone wars to see battle.
Thus the clones they're using are part of the original order OR the kaminoans made a massive surplus of the clones with the original batch.
Since clones are expensive (which was a real issue), why are the kaminoians willing to risk that much capital?

Was the republic planning on fighting the seperatist 10+ years?

These were my thoughts exactly.

I don't think they were. considering the state of emergency, the majority of the Republic's political and military power was in the hands of the Supreme Chancellor, who, you guessed it, had planned every moment of the war years in advance. I think it was mostly a popularity effort for the republican systems and a show of force for the ones considering secession.
besides, it's the galactic republic. since when is anything moral or rational in that?