But It Was So Artistically Done: THE STAR WARS THREAD

[Anywhere Else But Here]

What you're doing there is a petty sort of extrapolation where you take the original point that

Ackbar's death fit nicely with the film's themes

to do a childish "well, why don't you just kill everyone off, nuh, nuh, nuh-nuh?"

No, it's telling you that your line of reasoning for things that happened to one character isn't consistent because you're hypocritical and groping for any reason to defend this trash movie.

Nah. I don't reckon noting that killing off one minor character that only nerds care about fits with the film's themes means you logically have to believe all old characters should be killed off. It's art, not maths.

[Bearon]

No, it's telling you that your line of reasoning for things that happened to one character isn't consistent because you're hypocritical and groping for any reason to defend this trash movie.

Nah. I don't reckon noting that killing off one minor character that only nerds care about fits with the film's themes means you logically have to believe all old characters should be killed off. It's art, not maths.

Honestly, it's not about whether a character should be killed off. It's about whether a character who serves no point to the movie should be at the forefront or a visible part of it.

[Bearon]

or you would be justified in reporting me to the mods for having said it.

The plot in which Holdo refuses to yield to an uppity subordinate's request to know sensitive information info after he loses most of an entire squadron and then calls her a coward and traitor, culminating in her staying on the ship as her plan goes into action and then ramming Snoke's ship at lightspeed to save what remains of the Resistance. That is an entire plot, buddy.

What are you talking about? I've never reported anybody on any site to the mods. That's lame. Or was that a threat?

Ah, I thought you were referring to the shitty buddy cop plot that is driven by the conflict on the ship. Regardless, the conflict on the ship was contrived as has been discussed.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Nah. I don't reckon noting that killing off one minor character that only nerds care about fits with the film's themes means you logically have to believe all old characters should be killed off. It's art, not maths.

Honestly, it's not about whether a character should be killed off. It's about whether a character who serves no point to the movie should be at the forefront or a visible part of it.

Chewie isn't at the forefront, though.

[Salus Maior]

I didn't even realize Ackbar was in the sequels until it was mentioned that he died in 8.

[Dylar]

I didn't even realize Ackbar was in the sequels until it was mentioned that he died in 8.

He was in 7. He was the guy who said "How can we get past the shield of Starkiller Base" or something along those lines...

[Salus Maior]

I didn't even realize Ackbar was in the sequels until it was mentioned that he died in 8.

He was in 7. He was the guy who said "How can we get past the shield of Starkiller Base" or something along those lines...

All Mon Cal kind of look alike tbh...

[Dylar]

He was in 7. He was the guy who said "How can we get past the shield of Starkiller Base" or something along those lines...

All Mon Cal kind of look alike tbh...

But not all Mon Cal sound alike. *Flashbacks to Empire at War and Rogue Leader*

Okay...maybe Rogue leader was supposed to have a shitty voice actor for Ackbar

[Astrolinium]

He was in 7. He was the guy who said "How can we get past the shield of Starkiller Base" or something along those lines...

All Mon Cal kind of look alike tbh...

That's racist!

[Bearon]

Honestly, it's not about whether a character should be killed off. It's about whether a character who serves no point to the movie should be at the forefront or a visible part of it.

Chewie isn't at the forefront, though.

Or a visible part of it.

[Northern Davincia]

Ackbar should have been the one to destroy Snoke's flagship.

[Astrolinium]

Ackbar should have been the one to destroy Snoke's flagship.

Why on earth do so many people think that this would be at all a meaningful choice? He's a side character who's had really rather little screentime over the course of his life and is only beloved because he's a meme and because of appearances in material no longer relevant to the canon. Ackbar isn't that important, this choice would have been nothing but indulgent fan service.

[Northern Davincia]

Ackbar should have been the one to destroy Snoke's flagship.

Why on earth do so many people think that this would be at all a meaningful choice? He's a side character who's had really rather little screentime over the course of his life and is only beloved because he's a meme and because of appearances in material no longer relevant to the canon. Ackbar isn't that important, this choice would have been nothing but indulgent fan service.

Having a new, unlikable character do it was even more pointless.

[Astrolinium]

Why on earth do so many people think that this would be at all a meaningful choice? He's a side character who's had really rather little screentime over the course of his life and is only beloved because he's a meme and because of appearances in material no longer relevant to the canon. Ackbar isn't that important, this choice would have been nothing but indulgent fan service.

Having a new, unlikable character do it was even more pointless.

Unlikable is subjective. Plenty of people liked her.

[Salus Maior]

Tbh I think it's quite possible that the TLJ Ackbar is an imposter.

The real Ackbar would have sensed the trap.

[Northern Davincia]

Having a new, unlikable character do it was even more pointless.

Unlikable is subjective. Plenty of people liked her.

Why would they? She belittles Poe in a manner that would lead to mutiny on almost any ship, and leaves her subordinates in the dark about the evacuation plan.

[Astrolinium]

Unlikable is subjective. Plenty of people liked her.

Why would they? She belittles Poe in a manner that would lead to mutiny on almost any ship, and leaves her subordinates in the dark about the evacuation plan.

She acts perfectly reasonably toward a hotshot, recently demoted pilot about whom she knows nothing except that he just got an entire squadron killed in a Pyrrhic victory, whom she is obligated to tell nothing, and who proceeds to accuse her of both cowardice and treason. In fact, as far as I see it, she acts exceedingly reasonably by not immediately confining him to the brig for insubordination at the latter offense. Poe is not the one in the right during his plot.

[Kramania]

[region]He represents the past. Is that not the line of resoning?[/region]

What you're doing there is a petty sort of extrapolation where you take the original point that

Ackbar's death fit nicely with the film's themes

to do a childish "well, why don't you just kill everyone off, nuh, nuh, nuh-nuh?"

Seems like a pretty logical extension to me.

[Ascoobis]

As for the topic of the poll, I would personally support "Finnrey" instead...

[Anywhere Else But Here]

What you're doing there is a petty sort of extrapolation where you take the original point that

Ackbar's death fit nicely with the film's themes

to do a childish "well, why don't you just kill everyone off, nuh, nuh, nuh-nuh?"

Seems like a pretty logical extension to me.

Do let me know when fiction is written by taking one principle and slavishly extrapolating it into a complete work, whether it's entertaining or not.

[Bearon]

As for the topic of the poll, I would personally support "Finnrey" instead...

It's Finnrose now.

[Bearon]

I'm honestly appalled at the lack of Siriwan votes.

[Kramania]

Seems like a pretty logical extension to me.

Do let me know when fiction is written by taking one principle and slavishly extrapolating it into a complete work, whether it's entertaining or not.

Then why does it matter if Ackbar represents the past in some way?

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Do let me know when fiction is written by taking one principle and slavishly extrapolating it into a complete work, whether it's entertaining or not.

Then why does it matter if Ackbar represents the past in some way?

It doesn't hugely, because Ackbar isn't close to being an important character. It's a small nod to the theme which, sure,
would still stand without Ackbar's death. I think it contributes nicely, though, and it's probably best for the plot (Ackbar was in TFA, therefore he's with the fleet, therefore we need him out the way so that the unknown Holdo can take command).

[Pax Nerdvana]

I think I'm going to TLJ tonight. I have made it pretty much unspoiled.