But It Was So Artistically Done: THE STAR WARS THREAD

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Why do you guys feel the need to defend Disney?

Lucas is one man, Disney is a multibillion dollar multinational media conglomerate who is on a war path in an attempted to absorb any and every IP and company that it feels like until it basically rules the media world.

They've already made it clear that they only care about money, and have been whoring out Star Wars much more than Lucas could ever dream of. At least Lucas cared about the franchise, Disney only cares about how much money the next 6 movies, tv series, and related merchandise will get them.

Finally! Someone else agrees with me. Disney is an evil mega corporation. At least George Lucas cared about the Star Wars franchise. Disney just wants money.

Oh noes, a scary evil mega-corp! Making products that people want and like!

Do they have some toxic-waste-dumping operation I haven't heard of? Like, I'm sure Disney isn't a hugs and rainbows co-operative where all the workers get the fruits of their labour and no one has a boss who's a dick or gets paid a crappy wage, but the idea that Disney is an evil mega-corp seems incredibly infantile.

[New haven america]

Finally! Someone else agrees with me. Disney is an evil mega corporation. At least George Lucas cared about the Star Wars franchise. Disney just wants money.

Oh noes, a scary evil mega-corp! Making products that people want and like!

Do they have some toxic-waste-dumping operation I haven't heard of? Like, I'm sure Disney isn't a hugs and rainbows co-operative where all the workers get the fruits of their labour and no one has a boss who's a dick or gets paid a crappy wage, but the idea that Disney is an evil mega-corp seems incredibly infantile.

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that being wary of a company that (Due to its latest possible acquisitions) will have a near monopoly over the media was a bad thing. The fact that you guys are willing to ignore that for the sake of getting the X-Men in the Avengers is increadibly shortsighted and worrying. Ideally, industries should be diverse, not monopolized.

Also, I have yet to see any proof that Lucas (1 man) is somehow worse than an entire multinational conglomerate.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Oh noes, a scary evil mega-corp! Making products that people want and like!

Do they have some toxic-waste-dumping operation I haven't heard of? Like, I'm sure Disney isn't a hugs and rainbows co-operative where all the workers get the fruits of their labour and no one has a boss who's a dick or gets paid a crappy wage, but the idea that Disney is an evil mega-corp seems incredibly infantile.

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that being wary of a company that (Due to its latest possible acquisitions) will have a near monopoly over the media was a bad thing. The fact that you guys are willing to ignore that for the sake of getting the X-Men in the Avengers is increadibly shortsighted and worrying. Ideally, industries should be diverse, not monopolized.

Also, I have yet to see any proof that Lucas (1 man) is somehow worse than an entire multinational conglomerate.

They control several existing franchises. That's not a monopoly on cinema or entertainment, let alone "the media".

Come on. What have they done that's so evil? They've made three Star wars films, none of which are even bad, let alone prequel-terrible. No one was going to make any Sttar Wars films. Now, there are more Star Wars films. Where's the problem? Worst case, they're terrible and you stop watching them. Best case, they're brilliant (I certainly think TLJ is).

Lucas, one man? Because he famously made six Star Wars films and all the spin-offs and merchandise on his own in a shed at the end of his garden.

And, for what it's worth, I couldn't give a shit who, if anyone, makes X-men, never mind whether they're in the Avengers.

[New haven america]

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that being wary of a company that (Due to its latest possible acquisitions) will have a near monopoly over the media was a bad thing. The fact that you guys are willing to ignore that for the sake of getting the X-Men in the Avengers is increadibly shortsighted and worrying. Ideally, industries should be diverse, not monopolized.

Also, I have yet to see any proof that Lucas (1 man) is somehow worse than an entire multinational conglomerate.

They control several existing franchises. That's not a monopoly on cinema or entertainment, let alone "the media".

Come on. What have they done that's so evil? They've made three Star wars films, none of which are even bad, let alone prequel-terrible. No one was going to make any Sttar Wars films. Now, there are more Star Wars films. Where's the problem? Worst case, they're terrible and you stop watching them. Best case, they're brilliant (I certainly think TLJ is).

Lucas, one man? Because he famously made six Star Wars films and all the spin-offs and merchandise on his own in a shed at the end of his garden.

And, for what it's worth, I couldn't give a shit who, if anyone, makes X-men, never mind whether they're in the Avengers.

Disney is part of the Big 6, 6 multinational media conglomerates (Including: Fox, Comcast, Viacom, Time Warner, and CBS. It's going to be the Big 5 if Disney gets their way) who combined own and control more than 90% of US media and large percentages of media elsewhere in the world. Disney's media presence is everywhere, ranging from TV (ESPN, ABC, various Disney Channels, etc...), to movie production companies (Pixar, Lucasfilms, Marvel, IIRC Toughstone, etc...), to radio and book publishers (Marvel Comics, way too many others to list), and even the internet (Maker Studios). Disney doesn't just control franchises, they control companies, that's why they're a conglomerate. Fox owns their fair share of companies too, and if their deal goes through then Disney will be the most powerful conglomerate out of the 5 controlling even more media companies. You're thinking of Disney as a singular company, it's not, it's a company made up of companies.

Their ravenous devowering of every single media company of conglomerate they can get their hands on could be considered evil. There's a reason almost every dystopian work has 1 large corporation or government controlling everything, and that's because it's generally something you don't want to deal with.

Compared to Disney he might as well have. People seem to forget that basically all of his work before and even during SW were indie movies. Hell, IIRC, ESB actually holds the record for the most successful indie movie ever made.

So you just don't care? That... that doesn't make it any better.

[Alvecia]

They control several existing franchises. That's not a monopoly on cinema or entertainment, let alone "the media".

Come on. What have they done that's so evil? They've made three Star wars films, none of which are even bad, let alone prequel-terrible. No one was going to make any Sttar Wars films. Now, there are more Star Wars films. Where's the problem? Worst case, they're terrible and you stop watching them. Best case, they're brilliant (I certainly think TLJ is).

Lucas, one man? Because he famously made six Star Wars films and all the spin-offs and merchandise on his own in a shed at the end of his garden.

And, for what it's worth, I couldn't give a shit who, if anyone, makes X-men, never mind whether they're in the Avengers.

Disney is part of the Big 6, 6 multinational media conglomerates (Including: Fox, Comcast, Viacom, Time Warner, and CBS. It's going to be the Big 5 if Disney gets their way) who combined own and control more than 90% of US media and large percentages of media elsewhere in the world. Disney's media presence is everywhere, ranging from TV (ESPN, ABC, various Disney Channels, etc...), to movie production companies (Pixar, Lucasfilms, Marvel, IIRC Toughstone, etc...), to radio and book publishers (Marvel Comics, way too many others to list), and even the internet (Maker Studios). Disney doesn't just control franchises, they control companies, that's why they're a conglomerate. Fox owns their fair share of companies too, and if their deal goes through then Disney will be the most powerful conglomerate out of the 5 controlling even more media companies. You're thinking of Disney as a singular company, it's not, it's a company made up of companies.

Their ravenous devowering of every single media company of conglomerate they can get their hands on could be considered evil. There's a reason almost every dystopian work has 1 large corporation or government controlling everything, and that's because it's generally something you don't want to deal with.

Compared to Disney he might as well have. People seem to forget that basically all of his work before and even during SW were indie movies. Hell, IIRC, ESB actually holds the record for the most successful indie movie ever made.

So you just don't care? That... that doesn't make it any better.

They aren't doing anything that any other company wouldn't do in their position.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

They control several existing franchises. That's not a monopoly on cinema or entertainment, let alone "the media".

Come on. What have they done that's so evil? They've made three Star wars films, none of which are even bad, let alone prequel-terrible. No one was going to make any Sttar Wars films. Now, there are more Star Wars films. Where's the problem? Worst case, they're terrible and you stop watching them. Best case, they're brilliant (I certainly think TLJ is).

Lucas, one man? Because he famously made six Star Wars films and all the spin-offs and merchandise on his own in a shed at the end of his garden.

And, for what it's worth, I couldn't give a shit who, if anyone, makes X-men, never mind whether they're in the Avengers.

Disney is part of the Big 6, 6 multinational media conglomerates (Including: Fox, Comcast, Viacom, Time Warner, and CBS. It's going to be the Big 5 if Disney gets their way) who combined own and control more than 90% of US media and large percentages of media elsewhere in the world. Disney's media presence is everywhere, ranging from TV (ESPN, ABC, various Disney Channels, etc...), to movie production companies (Pixar, Lucasfilms, Marvel, IIRC Toughstone, etc...), to radio and book publishers (Marvel Comics, way too many others to list), and even the internet (Maker Studios). Disney doesn't just control franchises, they control companies, that's why they're a conglomerate. Fox owns their fair share of companies too, and if their deal goes through then Disney will be the most powerful conglomerate out of the 5 controlling even more media companies. You're thinking of Disney as a singular company, it's not, it's a company made up of companies.

All right. And what evil are they using this for?

Their ravenous devowering of every single media company of conglomerate they can get their hands on could be considered evil.

You could consider playing chess or eating cheese evil. Owning a lot of stuff isn't intrinsically evil, unless you start doing something nasty with it.

There's a reason almost every dystopian work has 1 large corporation or government controlling everything, and that's because it's generally something you don't want to deal with.

I actually can't think of a single dystopian work that has one corporation. Off the top of my head, I can think of only one that has a world state.

Compared to Disney he might as well have. People seem to forget that basically all of his work before and even during SW were indie movies. Hell, IIRC, ESB actually holds the record for the most successful indie movie ever made.

Fair enough. He's still not one man. Nor does the fact that he didn't hold a wide range of companies mean he wasn't just as inclined to be greedy where merchandising was concerned (which I think is the only concrete criticism anyone's bothered to level).

So you just don't care? That... that doesn't make it any better.

I don't care about X-Men, no. I didn't realise that mattered so much. Have I missed some nuance in the political landscape? Is X-Men super important? Should I forget parliament and Brexit and Trump and start worrying about Hugh Jackman's mighty titanium claws?

[Bearon]

Interesting article about Force Ghosts.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/ ... ir/105225/

[Bearon]

Except there were no deserters that made it off the ship. Rose tagged everyone trying to leave and they had to cover rose and Finn leaving, because sensors picked them up leaving immediately. There was no reason for Holdo to be so tight lipped on a ship. Communication moves militaries. Officers, even as one as low as Poe need to be informed. Soldiers don't just take it on faith the way they tried to show it in the movie. Poe's actions are actually the logical move for a soldier in his position.

Look, this is a case where you're better safe than sorry.

Yes, Rose stopped deserters, but those weren't the only escape pods and she's gone for half the movie.
Assuming that no deserters will escape is foolish.

No need to pick. There was no disertion as all attempts to disert the ship were prevented, not to mention the first order was not likely in the mood to take prisoners.


Some secrecy is always required, but the level of tight lippedness in the movie is unrealistic. Poe would have been informed in any competently run military section. He may have been demoted but he wasn't kicked out.

Trusting on the cooperation of your enemies isn't that good an idea.

And Poe didn't need to know. What's the point of using a need-to-know policy when you're going to tell people who have more screentime than you and don't need to know, simply because they have more screentime?

Not to mention Leia had no qualms about telling Poe once she'd been revived.

That's nepotism, that is.
Also, Leia KNOWS and TRUSTS Poe.

Holdo knows nor trusts Poe.
Why does Holdo need to trust Poe right away?
Poe doesn't trust Holdo either, but apperantly having more screentime makes up for that.

Apparently Holdo was a close personal friend to Leia yet she didn't know Poe was trustworthy? :/

[New haven america]

Disney is part of the Big 6, 6 multinational media conglomerates (Including: Fox, Comcast, Viacom, Time Warner, and CBS. It's going to be the Big 5 if Disney gets their way) who combined own and control more than 90% of US media and large percentages of media elsewhere in the world. Disney's media presence is everywhere, ranging from TV (ESPN, ABC, various Disney Channels, etc...), to movie production companies (Pixar, Lucasfilms, Marvel, IIRC Toughstone, etc...), to radio and book publishers (Marvel Comics, way too many others to list), and even the internet (Maker Studios). Disney doesn't just control franchises, they control companies, that's why they're a conglomerate. Fox owns their fair share of companies too, and if their deal goes through then Disney will be the most powerful conglomerate out of the 5 controlling even more media companies. You're thinking of Disney as a singular company, it's not, it's a company made up of companies.

1.All right. And what evil are they using this for?

Their ravenous devowering of every single media company of conglomerate they can get their hands on could be considered evil.

You could consider playing chess or eating cheese evil. Owning a lot of stuff isn't intrinsically evil, unless you start doing something nasty with it.

There's a reason almost every dystopian work has 1 large corporation or government controlling everything, and that's because it's generally something you don't want to deal with.

2.I actually can't think of a single dystopian work that has one corporation. Off the top of my head, I can think of only one that has a world state.

Compared to Disney he might as well have. People seem to forget that basically all of his work before and even during SW were indie movies. Hell, IIRC, ESB actually holds the record for the most successful indie movie ever made.

3. Fair enough. He's still not one man. Nor does the fact that he didn't hold a wide range of companies mean he wasn't just as inclined to be greedy where merchandising was concerned (which I think is the only concrete criticism anyone's bothered to level).

So you just don't care? That... that doesn't make it any better.

4.I don't care about X-Men, no. I didn't realise that mattered so much. Have I missed some nuance in the political landscape? Is X-Men super important? 5.Should I forget parliament and Brexit and Trump and start worrying about Hugh Jackman's mighty titanium claws?

1. Trying to monopolize media, specifically in the US and maybe Canada.
2. Pixar made a movie about it.
3. And yet you guys think Disney is still somehow better? The Corporate conglomerate that has made officially licensed SW: Desk, lamps and lampshades, coffee, coffee makers, coffee sweeteners, ramen, teddy bears, Battlefront with EA, waffle makers, TV's, ice cube trays, plant pots, ffs that list goes on forever... is somehow better?
4. Maybe because it's the most commonly held reason as to why people are okay with Disney getting closer to a monopoly?
5. Hey, it's not my fault you guys are okay with industry monopolies as long as you can get shortsighted instant gratification.

[Salus Maior]

3. And yet you guys think Disney is still somehow better? The Corporate conglomerate that has made officially licensed SW: Desk, lamps and lampshades, coffee, coffee makers, coffee sweeteners, ramen, teddy bears, Battlefront with EA, waffle makers, TV's, ice cube trays, plant pots, ffs that list goes on forever... is somehow better?

You realize that a lot of that stuff existed well before Disney took over, right? Lucas did the same thing with merch.

[New haven america]

3. And yet you guys think Disney is still somehow better? The Corporate conglomerate that has made officially licensed SW: Desk, lamps and lampshades, coffee, coffee makers, coffee sweeteners, ramen, teddy bears, Battlefront with EA, waffle makers, TV's, ice cube trays, plant pots, ffs that list goes on forever... is somehow better?

You realize that a lot of that stuff existed well before Disney took over, right? Lucas did the same thing with merch.

Hate to break the Lucas bashing circlejerk you guys love to do, but no, almost none of that stuff existed in an official capacity until Disney got the rights.

Sure, there was fan stuff and limited edition things, but Disney is the won who went wild with the SW license.

[Salus Maior]

You realize that a lot of that stuff existed well before Disney took over, right? Lucas did the same thing with merch.

Hate to break the Lucas bashing circlejerk you guys love to do, but no, none of that stuff existed in an official capacity until Disney got the rights.

I'm not bashing him. I don't think it's somehow wrong to make merchandise that people will want and buy.

[Dylar]

3. And yet you guys think Disney is still somehow better? The Corporate conglomerate that has made officially licensed SW: Desk, lamps and lampshades, coffee, coffee makers, coffee sweeteners, ramen, teddy bears, Battlefront with EA, waffle makers, TV's, ice cube trays, plant pots, ffs that list goes on forever... is somehow better?

You realize that a lot of that stuff existed well before Disney took over, right? Lucas did the same thing with merch.

Yeah, but before Disney took over(or maybe it was before the new trilogy came about) the action figures were actually really awesome. You could move their heads, hands, forearms, upper arms, knees, feet, etc. to make some really awesome poses. Now, it's this retro shit which is only good for collecting anymore and not playing. You heard that right, I still play with my Star Wars action figures! Hell, they don't even sell any Clone Wars, or OT merch anymore, unless it's the Black Series action figures which are taller than my others(I like consistency with my figures' sizes) and actually meant to be collected and not played with.

[New haven america]

Hate to break the Lucas bashing circlejerk you guys love to do, but no, none of that stuff existed in an official capacity until Disney got the rights.

I'm not bashing him. I don't think it's somehow wrong to make merchandise that people will want and buy.

And yet you guys complain about Lucas whoring out SW, yet consistently look the other way when Disney does the exact same thing at a degree that I didn't even know was possible.

[New haven america]

You realize that a lot of that stuff existed well before Disney took over, right? Lucas did the same thing with merch.

Yeah, but before Disney took over(or maybe it was before the new trilogy came about) the action figures were actually really awesome. You could move their heads, hands, forearms, upper arms, knees, feet, etc. to make some really awesome poses. Now, it's this retro shit which is only good for collecting anymore and not playing. You heard that right, I still play with my Star Wars action figures! Hell, they don't even sell any Clone Wars, or OT merch anymore, unless it's the Black Series action figures which are taller than my others(I like consistency with my figures' sizes) and actually meant to be collected and not played with.

Also, they stopped making Lego sets of the prequels, TCW, and the games.

Honestly, all of my favorite Lego Star Wars sets came from those series. The ATTE, the Jedi Interceptors, Fury-class Interceptor, Vulture Droid, etc...

[Anywhere Else But Here]

1.All right. And what evil are they using this for?


You could consider playing chess or eating cheese evil. Owning a lot of stuff isn't intrinsically evil, unless you start doing something nasty with it.

2.I actually can't think of a single dystopian work that has one corporation. Off the top of my head, I can think of only one that has a world state.


3. Fair enough. He's still not one man. Nor does the fact that he didn't hold a wide range of companies mean he wasn't just as inclined to be greedy where merchandising was concerned (which I think is the only concrete criticism anyone's bothered to level).


4.I don't care about X-Men, no. I didn't realise that mattered so much. Have I missed some nuance in the political landscape? Is X-Men super important? 5.Should I forget parliament and Brexit and Trump and start worrying about Hugh Jackman's mighty titanium claws?

1. Trying to monopolize media, specifically in the US and maybe Canada.
2. Pixar made a movie about it.
3. And yet you guys think Disney is still somehow better? The Corporate conglomerate that has made officially licensed SW: Desk, lamps and lampshades, coffee, coffee makers, coffee sweeteners, ramen, teddy bears, Battlefront with EA, waffle makers, TV's, ice cube trays, plant pots, ffs that list goes on forever... is somehow better?
4. Maybe because it's the most commonly held reason as to why people are okay with Disney getting closer to a monopoly?
5. Hey, it's not my fault you guys are okay with industry monopolies as long as you can get shortsighted instant gratification.

1. They're accumulating media with the nefarious intention of accumulating media?
2. K.
3. No. I don't give a shit. I wasn't interested in Lucas' merchandise, and I'm not interested in Disney's. But complaining that the one you don't like is money-grubbing shows a complete lack of self-awareness.
4. Uh, is it? Okay.
5. As we all know, Lucasfilm is the keystone without which the Disney media empire will collapse.

[New haven america]

1. Trying to monopolize media, specifically in the US and maybe Canada.
2. Pixar made a movie about it.
3. And yet you guys think Disney is still somehow better? The Corporate conglomerate that has made officially licensed SW: Desk, lamps and lampshades, coffee, coffee makers, coffee sweeteners, ramen, teddy bears, Battlefront with EA, waffle makers, TV's, ice cube trays, plant pots, ffs that list goes on forever... is somehow better?
4. Maybe because it's the most commonly held reason as to why people are okay with Disney getting closer to a monopoly?
5. Hey, it's not my fault you guys are okay with industry monopolies as long as you can get shortsighted instant gratification.

1. They're accumulating media with the nefarious intention of accumulating media?
2. K.
3. No. I don't give a shit. I wasn't interested in Lucas' merchandise, and I'm not interested in Disney's. But complaining that the one you don't like is money-grubbing shows a complete lack of self-awareness.
4. Uh, is it? Okay.
5. As we all know, Lucasfilm is the keystone without which the Disney media empire will collapse.

1. Of giving less people control over what they get, being one of the only media providers people have to ability to choose from, practically banning ideas or things they don't agree with, etc...
3a. Despite what you might think, I don't hate Disney, I hate their practices. 3b. You say that, even though you're totally willing to ignore Disney's ungodly whoring out of the franchise, in order to chastise Lucas for it, even though his was actually pretty small scale. Disney has been whoring out Star Wars at a rate that I didn't even know was humanly possible, yet Lucas is somehow the bad guy in this?
4. That, and the Fantastic 4.
5. You're just proving my point.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

1. They're accumulating media with the nefarious intention of accumulating media?
2. K.
3. No. I don't give a shit. I wasn't interested in Lucas' merchandise, and I'm not interested in Disney's. But complaining that the one you don't like is money-grubbing shows a complete lack of self-awareness.
4. Uh, is it? Okay.
5. As we all know, Lucasfilm is the keystone without which the Disney media empire will collapse.

1. Of giving less people control over what they get, being one of the only media providers people have to ability to choose from, practically banning ideas or things they don't agree with, etc...
3a. Despite what you might think, I don't hate Disney, I hate their practices. 3b. You say that, even though you're totally willing to ignore Disney's ungodly whoring out of the franchise, in order to chastise Lucas for it, even though his was actually pretty small scale. Disney has been whoring out Star Wars at a rate that I didn't even know was humanly possible.
4. That, and the Fantastic 4.
5. You're just proving my point.

1. This seems like quite the slippery slope.
3b. Whoring out? We're talking about a franchise that was so cluttered with canon fanfic that they had to wipe the vast majority of it away when they bought it. Anyway, I'm ignoring it because I don't care, just as I ignored the old EU, because I didn't care about that. It makes no difference to my life and, I'm pretty sure it makes no difference to yours either. No one is being forced to buy the merchandise. Lucas did it. Now Disney does it. What's the problem?
5. I really don't think I am.

God knows, there are things one doesn't want to see in the hands of corporations, but Star Wars desk lamps aren't one of them.

[Bearon]

[Salus Maior]

Yeah, but before Disney took over(or maybe it was before the new trilogy came about) the action figures were actually really awesome. You could move their heads, hands, forearms, upper arms, knees, feet, etc. to make some really awesome poses. Now, it's this retro shit which is only good for collecting anymore and not playing. You heard that right, I still play with my Star Wars action figures! Hell, they don't even sell any Clone Wars, or OT merch anymore, unless it's the Black Series action figures which are taller than my others(I like consistency with my figures' sizes) and actually meant to be collected and not played with.

Also, they stopped making Lego sets of the prequels, TCW, and the games.

Honestly, all of my favorite Lego Star Wars sets came from those series. The ATTE, the Jedi Interceptors, Fury-class Interceptor, Vulture Droid, etc...

They'll probably start making them again at some point.

Especially if people are vocal about wanting them.

[Salus Maior]

I'm not bashing him. I don't think it's somehow wrong to make merchandise that people will want and buy.

And yet you guys complain about Lucas whoring out SW, yet consistently look the other way when Disney does the exact same thing at a degree that I didn't even know was possible.

When I say things like "Lucas was also a money whore" I'm not saying Lucas was worse, I'm saying that things haven't really changed.

Companies make merch for people who want them. It's profit, and everyone does it.

This whole argument is just pretty meaningless tbh.

[Bearon]

https://imgur.com/a/wYdIl

This might me canon. Not sure though, sent a tweet at members of the story group to confirm.

[Salus Maior]

https://imgur.com/a/wYdIl

This might me canon. Not sure though, sent a tweet at members of the story group to confirm.

....Is this medichlorian count or something?

[Kramania]

Finally! Someone else agrees with me. Disney is an evil mega corporation. At least George Lucas cared about the Star Wars franchise. Disney just wants money.

Oh noes, a scary evil mega-corp! Making products that people want and like!

Do they have some toxic-waste-dumping operation I haven't heard of? Like, I'm sure Disney isn't a hugs and rainbows co-operative where all the workers get the fruits of their labour and no one has a boss who's a dick or gets paid a crappy wage, but the idea that Disney is an evil mega-corp seems incredibly infantile.

They literally control like 40% of all the TV and movie production in the country. Whether or not people like their product isn't relevant. The simple fact is that they're a monster that's building a monopoly which is bad for the country.

[Kramania]

(Image)

Her character was completely useless. They could have just used Admiral Ackbar. At least then he would have had the death he deserved instead of being killed in some shitty, off-screen fashion.