But It Was So Artistically Done: THE STAR WARS THREAD

[Tarsonis]

Btw, is it just me, or are the Resistance bombers just really freaking useless?

THEY'RE SO SLOW. Why would you use those as opposed to Y wings or something similarly fast?

They're B-17s that's why.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I loved how the SJW general was like "You lost our entire bomber fleet to destroy that ship."

When the ship in question was a fleet killing superweapon and the bomber fleet consisted of 5 slow moving whales that had to be directly over the target to hit it.

Tbh, I agree with Leia's criticism of Poe. It was a stupid attack to follow through.

I'd definitely call that battle a "win the battle, but lose the war" kind of battles. Because think of it, clearly the First Order has the industrial capacity to pump out fleets of Star Destroyers and military vehicles, I don't see how they can't simply make more Dreadnoughts (if they don't already have more than one). But the Resistance lost a massive chunk of its fighter capacity and all of its bombers. Leia was right to order a retreat after all the transports left the ground, then they could have fought another day and keep their bombers for when they would have been more effective.

Of course, in hindsight their bomber fleet probably would have been destroyed by the later First Order attack after they came out of hyperspace like with the rest of their fighters, but I'd say Leia's instincts at the time were right.

Also, speaking of the second First Order attack, it can be said that Kylo Ren is truly the heir to Darth Vader.

I agree, i can completely see Leia's point of view and probably would have said the same thing.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Btw, is it just me, or are the Resistance bombers just really freaking useless?

THEY'RE SO SLOW. Why would you use those as opposed to Y wings or something similarly fast?

They're B-17s that's why.

B-17s

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[The Huskar Social Union]

Dont get the issues people seem to have with holdo. Thought she was fine.

because her entire story arc is contrived, and as a result Finn's, Rose's and Poe's entire story arc is contrived. All she had to do was tell Poe her plan and then a third of the movie never happens. There's also no reason for her to be so tight lipped. They're soldiers, communication moves armies. Poe may have been "demoted" but there's still no reason that he's not made aware of the plan, and given orders towards carrying that out.

Also fair.

But at the same time with Poe having been just demoted and being a bit of a hot head, i could see why she would not tell him when he was not that high up in the chain of command again. But still, fair point

[Bearon]

Dont get the issues people seem to have with holdo. Thought she was fine.

because her entire story arc is contrived, and as a result Finn's, Rose's and Poe's entire story arc is contrived. All she had to do was tell Poe her plan and then a third of the movie never happens. There's also no reason for her to be so tight lipped. They're soldiers, communication moves armies. Poe may have been "demoted" but there's still no reason that he's not made aware of the plan, and given orders towards carrying that out.

This as well.

[Bearon]

I loved how the SJW general was like "You lost our entire bomber fleet to destroy that ship."

When the ship in question was a fleet killing superweapon and the bomber fleet consisted of 5 slow moving whales that had to be directly over the target to hit it.

Tbh, I agree with Leia's criticism of Poe. It was a stupid attack to follow through.

I'd definitely call that battle a "win the battle, but lose the war" kind of battles. Because think of it, clearly the First Order has the industrial capacity to pump out fleets of Star Destroyers and military vehicles, I don't see how they can't simply make more Dreadnoughts (if they don't already have more than one). But the Resistance lost a massive chunk of its fighter capacity and all of its bombers. Leia was right to order a retreat after all the transports left the ground, then they could have fought another day and keep their bombers for when they would have been more effective.

Of course, in hindsight their bomber fleet probably would have been destroyed by the later First Order attack after they came out of hyperspace like with the rest of their fighters, but I'd say Leia's instincts at the time were right.

Also, speaking of the second First Order attack, it can be said that Kylo Ren is truly the heir to Darth Vader.

Seriously, given how useless they're shown to be, I don't see how they could've dealt a better blow with them honestly.

[Salus Maior]

Tbh, I agree with Leia's criticism of Poe. It was a stupid attack to follow through.

I'd definitely call that battle a "win the battle, but lose the war" kind of battles. Because think of it, clearly the First Order has the industrial capacity to pump out fleets of Star Destroyers and military vehicles, I don't see how they can't simply make more Dreadnoughts (if they don't already have more than one). But the Resistance lost a massive chunk of its fighter capacity and all of its bombers. Leia was right to order a retreat after all the transports left the ground, then they could have fought another day and keep their bombers for when they would have been more effective.

Of course, in hindsight their bomber fleet probably would have been destroyed by the later First Order attack after they came out of hyperspace like with the rest of their fighters, but I'd say Leia's instincts at the time were right.

Also, speaking of the second First Order attack, it can be said that Kylo Ren is truly the heir to Darth Vader.

I agree, i can completely see Leia's point of view and probably would have said the same thing.

Not to mention Poe gets even more Resistance killed by his disable the tracker plan. Because if he didn't do that, then the hacker guy wouldn't have exposed the real plan to get the resistance to Crait.

Basically, Poe is the worst Resistance fighter ever. DEMOTE HIM AGAIN.

Of course, like Tars said, that was mostly the Vice Admiral's fault for not simply telling everyone her decent plan.

[Salus Maior]

Tbh, I agree with Leia's criticism of Poe. It was a stupid attack to follow through.

I'd definitely call that battle a "win the battle, but lose the war" kind of battles. Because think of it, clearly the First Order has the industrial capacity to pump out fleets of Star Destroyers and military vehicles, I don't see how they can't simply make more Dreadnoughts (if they don't already have more than one). But the Resistance lost a massive chunk of its fighter capacity and all of its bombers. Leia was right to order a retreat after all the transports left the ground, then they could have fought another day and keep their bombers for when they would have been more effective.

Of course, in hindsight their bomber fleet probably would have been destroyed by the later First Order attack after they came out of hyperspace like with the rest of their fighters, but I'd say Leia's instincts at the time were right.

Also, speaking of the second First Order attack, it can be said that Kylo Ren is truly the heir to Darth Vader.

Seriously, given how useless they're shown to be, I don't see how they could've dealt a better blow with them honestly.

They would be fine if the Resistance maintained fighter-superiority. Get the fighters to clear the space of TIEs first then bring in the bombers to finish off the ships.

The game Empire at War teaches you this kind of thing

Edit: Of course, in the Battle with the dreadnought the Resistance was on a time crunch as Leia's ship was being targeted by the huge guns, so it wasn't possible to secure that kind of space-superiority then. Which again, would not have been a problem if they retreated.

[Tarsonis]

because her entire story arc is contrived, and as a result Finn's, Rose's and Poe's entire story arc is contrived. All she had to do was tell Poe her plan and then a third of the movie never happens. There's also no reason for her to be so tight lipped. They're soldiers, communication moves armies. Poe may have been "demoted" but there's still no reason that he's not made aware of the plan, and given orders towards carrying that out.

Also fair.

But at the same time with Poe having been just demoted and being a bit of a hot head, i could see why she would not tell him when he was not that high up in the chain of command again. But still, fair point

This isn't multi theatre warfare where insulated cells may not know what the others are doing. It was a single ship. All officers are briefed on the mission the mission plan is. Because officers need to know. A captain that doesn't inform their crew of their intent is begging for failure, or worse mutiny. Even if she demoted him to ensign, he'd still get a briefing.

[Tarsonis]

They're B-17s that's why.

B-17s

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Pretty much. I loved it because it was a callback to Lucas's WW2 inspirations for the entire franchise.

[The Huskar Social Union]

B-17s

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Pretty much. I loved it because it was a callback to Lucas's WW2 inspirations for the entire franchise.

Yup, literally a ww2 era bomber run air battle and it was coool, just replace the first order dreadnought with a german factory, or a ship yard and bam, some good old ww2 era air combat.

Was surprised though how quickly the dreadnought was taken out, only in the movie for a short amount of time.

[Gibberan]

Also fair.

But at the same time with Poe having been just demoted and being a bit of a hot head, i could see why she would not tell him when he was not that high up in the chain of command again. But still, fair point

This isn't multi theatre warfare where insulated cells may not know what the others are doing. It was a single ship. All officers are briefed on the mission the mission plan is. Because officers need to know. A captain that doesn't inform their crew of their intent is begging for failure, or worse mutiny. Even if she demoted him to ensign, he'd still get a briefing.

Personally, I enjoyed that aspect of Holdo: she made the wrong decision. I understand why she thought she was in the right, but she was wrong. And it's refreshing to have a character not make the right decision 100% of the time.

And "even ensigns get briefings on top secret plans" is a little bit of a stretch.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Pretty much. I loved it because it was a callback to Lucas's WW2 inspirations for the entire franchise.

Yup, literally a ww2 era bomber run air battle and it was coool, just replace the first order dreadnought with a german factory, or a ship yard and bam, some good old ww2 era air combat.

Was surprised though how quickly the dreadnought was taken out, only in the movie for a short amount of time.

It did better than the Super Star Destroyer in VI.

In fact this is the first movie since IV to make Star Destroyers actually threatening, though they still take losses.

[-Ocelot-]

Where is Finn & Po couple?

[Astrolinium]

Dont get the issues people seem to have with holdo. Thought she was fine.

Well, aside from being the figurehead of a political agenda, there's the fact that her death scene should have gone to Leia or the likes of Chewbacca since it would have been a great send off for the former and effectively dealt with the issue of Fisher's death while for the latter it would have gotten rid of a useless character ( and trust me, I say that with a heavy heart ) that has nothing to contribute to the story.

That's super dumb.

It would have been beyond disrespectful as fuck to have gone back and changed the movie to have Leia die on screen as a way to deal with Fisher's death, and it would have been a terrible resolution to her character arc. As to Chewie, there's literally no reason to send Chewbacca off at all in the first place so I'm not sure why he even comes up as an option.

[Bearon]

Where is Finn & Po couple?

Lol. Good one.

[Bearon]

Well, aside from being the figurehead of a political agenda, there's the fact that her death scene should have gone to Leia or the likes of Chewbacca since it would have been a great send off for the former and effectively dealt with the issue of Fisher's death while for the latter it would have gotten rid of a useless character ( and trust me, I say that with a heavy heart ) that has nothing to contribute to the story.

That's super dumb.

It would have been beyond disrespectful as fuck to have gone back and changed the movie to have Leia die on screen as a way to deal with Fisher's death, and it would have been a terrible resolution to her character arc. As to Chewie, there's literally no reason to send Chewbacca off at all in the first place so I'm not sure why he even comes up as an option.

How the hell would it have been disrespectful? Because they wouldn't have used parts of her performance? Get a grip snowflake.

Also, why would it have been a terrible resolution to her "arc?" And I use that word generously.

As for Chewbacca, I mention him because if they can have Holdo carry out a hyperspace kamikaze asspull like that then I don't see why they couldn't have done the same with Chewie and the Falcon.

[Tarsonis]

Well, aside from being the figurehead of a political agenda, there's the fact that her death scene should have gone to Leia or the likes of Chewbacca since it would have been a great send off for the former and effectively dealt with the issue of Fisher's death while for the latter it would have gotten rid of a useless character ( and trust me, I say that with a heavy heart ) that has nothing to contribute to the story.

That's super dumb.

It would have been beyond disrespectful as fuck to have gone back and changed the movie to have Leia die on screen as a way to deal with Fisher's death, and it would have been a terrible resolution to her character arc. As to Chewie, there's literally no reason to send Chewbacca off at all in the first place so I'm not sure why he even comes up as an option.

Actually it would be incredibly realistic for her character to get suddenly killed off. and I fault the writers for not having the balls to showcase the reality of war.

[Salus Maior]

That's super dumb.

It would have been beyond disrespectful as fuck to have gone back and changed the movie to have Leia die on screen as a way to deal with Fisher's death, and it would have been a terrible resolution to her character arc. As to Chewie, there's literally no reason to send Chewbacca off at all in the first place so I'm not sure why he even comes up as an option.

Actually it would be incredibly realistic for her character to get suddenly killed off. and I fault the writers for not having the balls to showcase the reality of war.

Considering how beloved Carrie Fisher is, I think it's only right for her to have her last movie.

[Astrolinium]

Actually it would be incredibly realistic for her character to get suddenly killed off. and I fault the writers for not having the balls to showcase the reality of war.

Considering how beloved Carrie Fisher is, I think it's only right for her to have her last movie.

Exactly. It would have been massively disrespectful to her as an actress and an artist to have just gutted her last performance like that.

[Astrolinium]

Where is Finn & Po couple?

Lol. Good one.

I don't see any way that this response isn't homophobic.

[Bearon]

Lol. Good one.

I don't see any way that this response isn't homophobic.

[Bearon]

Considering how beloved Carrie Fisher is, I think it's only right for her to have her last movie.

Exactly. It would have been massively disrespectful to her as an actress and an artist to have just gutted her last performance like that.

Lmao. She's not owed anything. And how would it have been disrespectful to have her saved the Resistance with her final act?

[Salus Maior]

Exactly. It would have been massively disrespectful to her as an actress and an artist to have just gutted her last performance like that.

Lmao. She's not owed anything. And how would it have been disrespectful to have her saved the Resistance with her final act?

Well, I say she is, for everything she's done for the Star Wars series and the fandom. And that would have meant cutting her reunion with Luke later in the movie.

Of course, you probably disliked that as well.

[Bearon]

Lmao. She's not owed anything. And how would it have been disrespectful to have her saved the Resistance with her final act?

Well, I say she is, for everything she's done for the Star Wars series and the fandom. And that would have meant cutting her reunion with Luke later in the movie.

Of course, you probably disliked that as well.

It served no point to the story but it wasn't overly offensive so I didn't care much either way.