But It Was So Artistically Done: THE STAR WARS THREAD

[Tarsonis]

Its really not. I feel like you're just looking for things to hate.

How is believing that the movie giving no indication of why Luke would need to go into Kylo's tent to sense his darkness bad storytelling "looking for things to hate?" It's just a fact. If they don't explain the mechanics of the tool being used to drive a scene then it's going to leave you confused.

Because here's no requirement for him not to either. They writers could go either way so they went this wayZ. You're just making shit up to tilt at at this point.

[Dylar]

Only major problem I got with the movie is the fact that the First Order's TIE Fighters were able to shoot through the shields of the main Resistance cruiser, while their Star Destroyers main guns couldn't get through. It just doesn't make any sense. Hell, anything that has to deal with starfighters blowing stuff up on enemy capital ships in this new trilogy doesn't make sense. Cause, if you look back at Episode 1, the N-1 starfighters were flying awfully close to the Trade Federation Luckrehulk but they still couldn't shoot through their shields to cause any damage. So, even if the Resistance were running on older shield models, enemy fighters shouldn't be able to shoot through them anyway. Maybe I'm missing something...

[Bearon]

How is believing that the movie giving no indication of why Luke would need to go into Kylo's tent to sense his darkness bad storytelling "looking for things to hate?" It's just a fact. If they don't explain the mechanics of the tool being used to drive a scene then it's going to leave you confused.

Because here's no requirement for him not to either. They writers could go either way so they went this wayZ. You're just making shit up to tilt at at this point.

What are you talking about? Johnson's not required to do anything but that doesn't excuse him from being able to write bad scenes. Either way you look at it, it's not pretty. One is a contradiction of Luke's character based on preexisting material and the other is simply neglecting to provide your audience with relevant information that would give them context for what's occurring.

[Conserative Morality]

I just want to hug Mark Hamill.

[Salus Maior]

Its really not. I feel like you're just looking for things to hate.

How is believing that the movie giving no indication of why Luke would need to go into Kylo's tent to sense his darkness bad storytelling "looking for things to hate?" It's just a fact. If they don't explain the mechanics of the tool being used to drive a scene then it's going to leave you confused.

It's for the sake of the audience and the scene.

Just like Force Ghosts are for the audience and their scenes. They didn't have to exist according to the previously established rules of the Force (Obi wan simply being a disembodied voice before the appearance of force ghosts), but you have to admit that their scenes would have been a lot more boring and odd if they didn't exist.

[Salus Maior]

I just want to hug Mark Hamill.

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I really wish he could have played the Luke he wanted to play.

[Salus Maior]

Only major problem I got with the movie is the fact that the First Order's TIE Fighters were able to shoot through the shields of the main Resistance cruiser, while their Star Destroyers main guns couldn't get through. It just doesn't make any sense. Hell, anything that has to deal with starfighters blowing stuff up on enemy capital ships in this new trilogy doesn't make sense. Cause, if you look back at Episode 1, the N-1 starfighters were flying awfully close to the Trade Federation Luckrehulk but they still couldn't shoot through their shields to cause any damage. So, even if the Resistance were running on older shield models, enemy fighters shouldn't be able to shoot through them anyway. Maybe I'm missing something...

Star Wars has never had solid rules as to what ship-based shields actually do in the movies.

Sometimes they seem protected, sometimes starfighters just blow them up. It is kind of bs, but it's not an exclusive problem to the sequel trilogy and TLJ in particular.

[Imperial isa]

I just want to hug Mark Hamill.

The look of his face at the start.

[Nocturnalis]

Only major problem I got with the movie is the fact that the First Order's TIE Fighters were able to shoot through the shields of the main Resistance cruiser, while their Star Destroyers main guns couldn't get through. It just doesn't make any sense. Hell, anything that has to deal with starfighters blowing stuff up on enemy capital ships in this new trilogy doesn't make sense. Cause, if you look back at Episode 1, the N-1 starfighters were flying awfully close to the Trade Federation Luckrehulk but they still couldn't shoot through their shields to cause any damage. So, even if the Resistance were running on older shield models, enemy fighters shouldn't be able to shoot through them anyway. Maybe I'm missing something...

I think capital ship shields are more suited to defending against other capital ships. When the Supremacy is firing at the Raddus, the lasers/bolts do seem to explode quite a bit away from the Mon Cal ship, and the shield is briefly visible as an oval shape surrounding the ship from quite a distance. I think, then, that small fighters are able to get through the shield (just as the Trade Federation droids got through the Gungan shield, for example) and do damage, kind of like how the Executor loses its bridge deflector shields to an A-Wing attack during the Battle of Endor moments before it's taken down by a kamikaze A-Wing. As for the N-1s vs. the Droid Control Ship, I would chalk that one up to N-1s not being very good starfighters (or at least ones not completely dedicated to war).

[Astrolinium]

I just want to hug Mark Hamill.

I'm thinking he got over it.

[Tarsonis]

Only major problem I got with the movie is the fact that the First Order's TIE Fighters were able to shoot through the shields of the main Resistance cruiser, while their Star Destroyers main guns couldn't get through. It just doesn't make any sense. Hell, anything that has to deal with starfighters blowing stuff up on enemy capital ships in this new trilogy doesn't make sense. Cause, if you look back at Episode 1, the N-1 starfighters were flying awfully close to the Trade Federation Luckrehulk but they still couldn't shoot through their shields to cause any damage. So, even if the Resistance were running on older shield models, enemy fighters shouldn't be able to shoot through them anyway. Maybe I'm missing something...

Star Wars has never had solid rules as to what ship-based shields actually do in the movies.

Sometimes they seem protected, sometimes starfighters just blow them up. It is kind of bs, but it's not an exclusive problem to the sequel trilogy and TLJ in particular.

IIRC the SW ship and base shields are ray shields that protect against proton torpedos and laser blasts. But matter can pass through them, which is why fighters can get in close, and hey have to ground invade Hoth and Crait. The only exception to this rule being the super powerful partical shield that protected the 2nd Death Star

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Star Wars has never had solid rules as to what ship-based shields actually do in the movies.

Sometimes they seem protected, sometimes starfighters just blow them up. It is kind of bs, but it's not an exclusive problem to the sequel trilogy and TLJ in particular.

IIRC the SW ship and base shields are ray shields that protect against proton torpedos and laser blasts. But matter can pass through them, which is why fighters can get in close, and hey have to ground invade Hoth and Crait. The only exception to this rule being the super powerful partical shield that protected the 2nd Death Star

They ought to go back to using conventional projectile weapons, then.

[Tarsonis]

IIRC the SW ship and base shields are ray shields that protect against proton torpedos and laser blasts. But matter can pass through them, which is why fighters can get in close, and hey have to ground invade Hoth and Crait. The only exception to this rule being the super powerful partical shield that protected the 2nd Death Star

They ought to go back to using conventional projectile weapons, then.

Unfortunately, the galaxy has been locked at the same technological level for 20 thousand years or so. Plus, projectile weapons have a material cost.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

They ought to go back to using conventional projectile weapons, then.

Unfortunately, the galaxy has been locked at the same technological level for 20 thousand years or so. Plus, projectile weapons have a material cost.

Pffft, so do giant superweapons and capital ships.

Anyway, how do lasers and such work? They must expend some kind of fuel.

[Bearon]

How is believing that the movie giving no indication of why Luke would need to go into Kylo's tent to sense his darkness bad storytelling "looking for things to hate?" It's just a fact. If they don't explain the mechanics of the tool being used to drive a scene then it's going to leave you confused.

It's for the sake of the audience and the scene.

Just like Force Ghosts are for the audience and their scenes. They didn't have to exist according to the previously established rules of the Force (Obi wan simply being a disembodied voice before the appearance of force ghosts), but you have to admit that their scenes would have been a lot more boring and odd if they didn't exist.

I don't think it makes the scene more interesting. I think it makes it more confusing since they don't explain why he's doing it. And that's assuming that that was their intent ( a big if ).

[Dylar]

Unfortunately, the galaxy has been locked at the same technological level for 20 thousand years or so. Plus, projectile weapons have a material cost.

Pffft, so do giant superweapons and capital ships.

Anyway, how do lasers and such work? They must expend some kind of fuel.

From Wookiepedia:

Most personal blasters had two kinds of ammunition: a gas cartridge and a power cell. Blaster gas cartridges could typically provide for up to five hundred shots before needing replacement. Most blaster power packs could supply energy for up to one hundred shots.

[Tarsonis]

Unfortunately, the galaxy has been locked at the same technological level for 20 thousand years or so. Plus, projectile weapons have a material cost.

Pffft, so do giant superweapons and capital ships.

Anyway, how do lasers and such work? They must expend some kind of fuel.

Yes but if you had to cove both the material cost for a galaxy wide armada large enough for complete control, AND the cost of arming those ships with projectile weapons, you'd go broke.

Lasers are cheep.

[Salus Maior]

Btw, is it just me, or are the Resistance bombers just really freaking useless?

THEY'RE SO SLOW. Why would you use those as opposed to Y wings or something similarly fast?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Btw, is it just me, or are the Resistance bombers just really freaking useless?

THEY'RE SO SLOW. Why would you use those as opposed to Y wings or something similarly fast?

Probably what they had on hand, they had like what three escorts, one capital ship, some X-wings and a few A-wings other than the bombers?

Also from what ive gathered on the wookipedia article they were originally used to help with isolated holdouts (i assumed planetary holdouts like cities, based etc) so probably not designed to attack a larger ship such as the dreadnought with a ton of fighter escorts like that, which is most likely why they flew them so close to try and use their firepower to support one another against the Tie Fighters but.. there was a fuck ton of them so didnt really help in the end. So i think its a case of... not meant for this kind of attack but fuck it its all we have so lets go for it.

I personally like the design though, think they are cool looking.

[Bearon]

Btw, is it just me, or are the Resistance bombers just really freaking useless?

THEY'RE SO SLOW. Why would you use those as opposed to Y wings or something similarly fast?

I loved how the SJW general was like "You lost our entire bomber fleet to destroy that ship."

When the ship in question was a fleet killing superweapon and the bomber fleet consisted of 5 slow moving whales that had to be directly over the target to hit it.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Dont get the issues people seem to have with holdo. Thought she was fine.

[Bearon]

Dont get the issues people seem to have with holdo. Thought she was fine.

Well, aside from being the figurehead of a political agenda, there's the fact that her death scene should have gone to Leia or the likes of Chewbacca since it would have been a great send off for the former and effectively dealt with the issue of Fisher's death while for the latter it would have gotten rid of a useless character ( and trust me, I say that with a heavy heart ) that has nothing to contribute to the story.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Dont get the issues people seem to have with holdo. Thought she was fine.

Well, aside from being the figurehead of a political agenda, there's the fact that her death scene should have gone to Leia or the likes of Chewbacca since it would have been a great send off for the former and effectively dealt with the issue of her actresses death while for the latter it would have gotten rid of a useless character ( and trust me, I say that with a heavy heart ) that has nothing to contribute to the story.

fair enough on the latter one

[Salus Maior]

Btw, is it just me, or are the Resistance bombers just really freaking useless?

THEY'RE SO SLOW. Why would you use those as opposed to Y wings or something similarly fast?

I loved how the SJW general was like "You lost our entire bomber fleet to destroy that ship."

When the ship in question was a fleet killing superweapon and the bomber fleet consisted of 5 slow moving whales that had to be directly over the target to hit it.

Tbh, I agree with Leia's criticism of Poe. It was a stupid attack to follow through.

I'd definitely call that battle a "win the battle, but lose the war" kind of battles. Because think of it, clearly the First Order has the industrial capacity to pump out fleets of Star Destroyers and military vehicles, I don't see how they can't simply make more Dreadnoughts (if they don't already have more than one). But the Resistance lost a massive chunk of its fighter capacity and all of its bombers. Leia was right to order a retreat after all the transports left the ground, then they could have fought another day and keep their bombers for when they would have been more effective.

Of course, in hindsight their bomber fleet probably would have been destroyed by the later First Order attack after they came out of hyperspace like with the rest of their fighters, but I'd say Leia's instincts at the time were right.

Also, speaking of the second First Order attack, it can be said that Kylo Ren is truly the heir to Darth Vader.

[Tarsonis]

Dont get the issues people seem to have with holdo. Thought she was fine.

because her entire story arc is contrived, and as a result Finn's, Rose's and Poe's entire story arc is contrived. All she had to do was tell Poe her plan and then a third of the movie never happens. There's also no reason for her to be so tight lipped. They're soldiers, communication moves armies. Poe may have been "demoted" but there's still no reason that he's not made aware of the plan, and given orders towards carrying that out.