But It Was So Artistically Done: THE STAR WARS THREAD

[Bearon]

He was determined enough to walk into Ben's tent stand over him for several moments and light his lightsaber blade.

He didn't walk into his hut to kill him though, he was there to get a sense of the darkness in him. And when he found that it was overwhelming,
and sensed that his future held the destruction of everything he built and loved, he ignited his saber and thought he could end him before Ren was unleashed.
And after that instant, he felt shame and knew that was wrong.

Especially when it's applied to Luke given he is shown to value the actual present more then the possible future.

"Great anguish overcame Luke. He wasn't certain that he could reconcile the advice of these two great mentors with his own feelings. His friends were in terrible danger, and of course he must save them. But his teachers thought he was not ready, that he might be too vulnerable to the powerful Vader and his Emperor, that he might bring harm to his friends and himself-and possibly be lost forever on the path of evil. Yet how could he fear these abstract things when Han and Leia were real and were suffering? How could he permit himself to fear possible danger to himself when his friends were presently in real danger of death? There was no longer any question in his mind as to what he had to do." - Empire Strike Back.

Notably, this was decades before he was a Jedi Master trying to keep the peace and rebuild the Jedi Order.

Why would he need to be hovering directly over him to get a sense of the darkness in him?

The thing is, we're given no indication in any other existing canon material to suggest Luke would change his stance which is why the action feels so jarring.

[Bearon]

Fun fact, the old movie novels are now considered to be non canon EU material, despite being about the movies.

They were always a lesser tier of canon anyways. The novel for IV was based off an earlier script of the movie for example, and it ends up contradicting the actual film at times.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Fun fact, the old movie novels are now considered to be non canon EU material, despite being about the movies.

They were always a lesser tier of canon anyways. The novel for IV was based off an earlier script of the movie for example, and it ends up contradicting the actual film at times.

Therefore something only elaborated on in the novels is not canon no?

If you need to source a novel for something because the movies don’t feature it, then it isn’t necessarily canon.

[Salus Maior]

He didn't walk into his hut to kill him though, he was there to get a sense of the darkness in him. And when he found that it was overwhelming,
and sensed that his future held the destruction of everything he built and loved, he ignited his saber and thought he could end him before Ren was unleashed.
And after that instant, he felt shame and knew that was wrong.

Notably, this was decades before he was a Jedi Master trying to keep the peace and rebuild the Jedi Order.

Why would he need to be hovering directly over him to get a sense of the darkness in him?

The thing is, we're given no indication in any other existing canon material to suggest Luke would change his stance which is why the action feels so jarring.

Perhaps he couldn't when Ben was aware of it, like Ben didn't allow Luke to really sense anything in him at all when he was awake.

[Bearon]

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Therefore something only elaborated on in the novels is not canon no?

If you need to source a novel for something because the movies don’t feature it, then it isn’t necessarily canon.

The thoughts Luke is having are not going to be be made known to us in a visual medium. The novel simply illuminates what was going on in his head in that moment.

[Bearon]

Why would he need to be hovering directly over him to get a sense of the darkness in him?

The thing is, we're given no indication in any other existing canon material to suggest Luke would change his stance which is why the action feels so jarring.

Perhaps he couldn't when Ben was aware of it, like Ben didn't allow Luke to really sense anything in him at all when he was awake.

Again though, why would that mean he'd have to hover over Kylo to sense his connection to the Darkside?

[The first Galactic Republic]

Therefore something only elaborated on in the novels is not canon no?

If you need to source a novel for something because the movies don’t feature it, then it isn’t necessarily canon.

The thoughts Luke is having are not going to be be made know to us in a visual medium. The novel simply illuminates what was going on in his head in that moment.

Or rather it’s the author’s interpretation of what’s going on in his head. It’s not necessarily what the film makers intended.

When it comes time to make a new Star Wars movie nowadays, the writers probably get a list of stories they can’t contradict. I guarantee the ESB novel isn’t one of them. It’s not really significant if a plot hole is only such when contradicting something unique to those novels, because Disney does not consider them to be high tiers of canon. They are canon when repeating what happens in the films. Anything unique to them is not going to be treated with the same weight. Thoughts going through character’s heads in the novels is an example of something unique to the novels. If the movies don’t reinforce it, then the new Disney writers don’t care.

[Bearon]

The thoughts Luke is having are not going to be be made know to us in a visual medium. The novel simply illuminates what was going on in his head in that moment.

Or rather it’s the author’s interpretation of what’s going on in his head. It’s not necessarily what the film makers intended.

When it comes time to make a new Star Wars movie nowadays, the writers probably get a list of stories they can’t contradict. I guarantee the ESB novel isn’t one of them. It’s not really significant if a plot hole is only such when contradicting something unique to those novels, because Disney does not consider them to be high tiers of canon. They are canon when repeating what happens in the films. Anything unique to them is not going to be treated with the same weight. Thoughts going through character’s heads in the novels is an example of something unique to the novels. If the movies don’t reinforce it, then the new Disney writers don’t care.

Lucas was the filmmaker and he approved it to be part of his continuity. According to Del Ray, new canon approves the novelizations as long as they align with the movies. Given Luke's thoughts as described in the book are pretty much a perfect summary of the actual events that are occurring and pretty much the only reason he'd go against Yoda and Ben's advice, I see no reason to disregard it.

Either way, as mentioned above, the way it's described in the novel is about the only justifiable reason Luke would have for taking the actions he did, so the point stands.

[Salus Maior]

Perhaps he couldn't when Ben was aware of it, like Ben didn't allow Luke to really sense anything in him at all when he was awake.

Again though, why would that mean he'd have to hover over Kylo to sense his connection to the Darkside?

Better reception.

[Bearon]

Again though, why would that mean he'd have to hover over Kylo to sense his connection to the Darkside?

Better reception.

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[The first Galactic Republic]

Or rather it’s the author’s interpretation of what’s going on in his head. It’s not necessarily what the film makers intended.

When it comes time to make a new Star Wars movie nowadays, the writers probably get a list of stories they can’t contradict. I guarantee the ESB novel isn’t one of them. It’s not really significant if a plot hole is only such when contradicting something unique to those novels, because Disney does not consider them to be high tiers of canon. They are canon when repeating what happens in the films. Anything unique to them is not going to be treated with the same weight. Thoughts going through character’s heads in the novels is an example of something unique to the novels. If the movies don’t reinforce it, then the new Disney writers don’t care.

Lucas was the filmmaker and he approved it to be part of his continuity. According to Del Ray, new canon approves the novelizations as long as they align with the movies. Given Luke's thoughts as described in the book are pretty much a perfect summary of the actual events that are occurring and pretty much the only reason he'd go against Yoda and Ben's advice, I see no reason to disregard it.

Either way, as mentioned above, the way it's described in the novel is about the only justifiable reason Luke would have for taking the actions he did, so the point stands.

Yes he approved it to be part of his continuity. The very same continuity that no longer applies to the movies. He approved the Yuuzhan Vong too to put things into perspective. Every major Star Wars story used to pass through Lucasfilm, but that doesn’t mean anything to Disney. They chose what to port over. They only ported over the parts of the movie novels that weren’t unique to them.

[Salus Maior]

Better reception.

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Maybe you can tell me why Force ghosts are a thing instead of the masters simply being a disembodied voice like in IV?

[Bearon]

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Maybe you can tell me why Force ghosts are a thing instead of the masters simply being a disembodied voice like in IV?

No idea.

[Bearon]

Lucas was the filmmaker and he approved it to be part of his continuity. According to Del Ray, new canon approves the novelizations as long as they align with the movies. Given Luke's thoughts as described in the book are pretty much a perfect summary of the actual events that are occurring and pretty much the only reason he'd go against Yoda and Ben's advice, I see no reason to disregard it.

Either way, as mentioned above, the way it's described in the novel is about the only justifiable reason Luke would have for taking the actions he did, so the point stands.

Yes he approved it to be part of his continuity. The very same continuity that no longer applies to the movies. He approved the Yuuzhan Vong too to put things into perspective. Every major Star Wars story used to pass through Lucasfilm, but that doesn’t mean anything to Disney. They chose what to port over. They only ported over the parts of the movie novels that weren’t unique to them.

I'm aware. I only pointed out that he allowed it into continuity since you were gabbing on about "the filmmaker's intent."

[Bearon]

To give a little reward to the loyalists ( and even the rebels spying on this threads ) I'll be posting poll where you can vote on your favorite TLJ moments once the spoiler ban is lifted. In the meantime, here's a poll where you can vote on your favorite star wars couple and ships.

[Tarsonis]

GOODIES


-Yoda! Oh my i had no idea how much i missed him till he popped up there when Luke went to torch the jedi texts.

That part is even better when you find out Yoda's just trolling him in blowing up the tree, because you see the Jedi books on the Falcon later, Rey swiped them.

I thought that's what those were, but I wasn't sure

[Tarsonis]

Perhaps he couldn't when Ben was aware of it, like Ben didn't allow Luke to really sense anything in him at all when he was awake.

Again though, why would that mean he'd have to hover over Kylo to sense his connection to the Darkside?

Why not? I mean I get what you're trying to say, but there's no reason for him to not go in there either. It works with the script.

[Bearon]

Again though, why would that mean he'd have to hover over Kylo to sense his connection to the Darkside?

Why not? I mean I get what you're trying to say, but there's no reason for him to not go in there either. It works with the script.

Because if he actually went into his tent and he didn't need to to sense his "darkness" then that means his decision to draw his blade on his nephew wasn't spontaneous. It was premeditated.

[Tarsonis]

Why not? I mean I get what you're trying to say, but there's no reason for him to not go in there either. It works with the script.

Because if he actually went into his tent and he didn't need to to sense his "darkness" then that means his decision to draw his blade on his nephew wasn't spontaneous. It was premeditated.

Perhaps he was drawn to it, like moth to a flame. Point is narratively he already suspected but that moment in the tent he got full revelation. It wasn't premeditated.

[Salus Maior]

Why not? I mean I get what you're trying to say, but there's no reason for him to not go in there either. It works with the script.

Because if he actually went into his tent and he didn't need to to sense his "darkness" then that means his decision to draw his blade on his nephew wasn't spontaneous. It was premeditated.

Except that isn't the case, as he explained.

[Bearon]

Because if he actually went into his tent and he didn't need to to sense his "darkness" then that means his decision to draw his blade on his nephew wasn't spontaneous. It was premeditated.

Except that isn't the case, as he explained.

Luke lied about the events the first time Rey asked. He's not exactly a reliable narrator. Even if that's the case though, it's just bad storytelling then.

[Tarsonis]

Except that isn't the case, as he explained.

Luke lied about the events the first time Rey asked. He's not exactly a reliable narrator. Even if that's the case though, it's just bad storytelling then.

Its really not. I feel like you're just looking for things to hate.

[Salus Maior]

Except that isn't the case, as he explained.

Luke lied about the events the first time Rey asked. He's not exactly a reliable narrator. Even if that's the case though, it's just bad storytelling then.

He didn't really lie. He just left out certain bits out of shame, which he revealed later.

[Bearon]

Luke lied about the events the first time Rey asked. He's not exactly a reliable narrator. Even if that's the case though, it's just bad storytelling then.

Its really not. I feel like you're just looking for things to hate.

How is believing that the movie giving no indication of why Luke would need to go into Kylo's tent to sense his darkness bad storytelling "looking for things to hate?" It's just a fact. If they don't explain the mechanics of the tool being used to drive a scene then it's going to leave you confused.

[Bearon]

Luke lied about the events the first time Rey asked. He's not exactly a reliable narrator. Even if that's the case though, it's just bad storytelling then.

He didn't really lie. He just left out certain bits out of shame, which he revealed later.

Would have to re-watch the scene but I'm pretty sure he outright lied about what happened.