MCU/Superhero Discussion Thread

[Lord Dominator]

I've been assuming the latter largely, that we'll be back to a whole bunch of stuff in advance after Endgame

[The first Galactic Republic]

Knowing Disney it's a possibility. Being as we got CGI Tarkin in Rouge One.

Yeah, because they were trying to replicate a dead guy. Bit of a difference between that and a CGI thing of a living actor.

I was largely joking.

Though as technology advances, I wouldn’t be surprised if there were legal battles where actors demanded money and credit from works that used computers to simulate them. Actors themselves would be like copyright protected IPs.

[The first Galactic Republic]

True, it was just something I'd like to see. We problably get something for the Spider-man movie, is there even going to be an Avengers 5 anyway?

I think they decided announcing a full slate of movies in five year chunks was a waste of time after Inhumans became a terrible limited series and they realize the gave up the game by initially calling 3 & 4 "Infinity War 1&2". Now I think they're just introducing movies like a normal studio.

Or they're sitting on their hands because the landscape post Endgame changes and announcing the movies spoils that, with the timing of Far From Home being something that couldn't be avoided.

Why do five year plans never end up like we want them to?

[Cannot think of a name]

Yeah, because they were trying to replicate a dead guy. Bit of a difference between that and a CGI thing of a living actor.

I was largely joking.

Though as technology advances, I wouldn’t be surprised if there were legal battles where actors demanded money and credit from works that used computers to simulate them. Actors themselves would be like copyright protected IPs.

It's a discussion that started way back when Fred Astaire made a vacuum cleaner ad decades after his death.

I think they decided announcing a full slate of movies in five year chunks was a waste of time after Inhumans became a terrible limited series and they realize the gave up the game by initially calling 3 & 4 "Infinity War 1&2". Now I think they're just introducing movies like a normal studio.

Or they're sitting on their hands because the landscape post Endgame changes and announcing the movies spoils that, with the timing of Far From Home being something that couldn't be avoided.

Why do five year plans never end up like we want them to?

I feel like this is answered by a million cliches.

[The first Galactic Republic]

I was largely joking.

Though as technology advances, I wouldn’t be surprised if there were legal battles where actors demanded money and credit from works that used computers to simulate them. Actors themselves would be like copyright protected IPs.

It's a discussion that started way back when Fred Astaire made a vacuum cleaner ad decades after his death.

Why do five year plans never end up like we want them to?

I feel like this is answered by a million cliches.

Are there legal precedents about living actors?

They might start doing that for all anyone knows.

[Forsher]

Gotta say, though: based on some of the early reactions, it sounds like the movie's early marketing was waaaaaaaaaay off. They're describing the movie as leaning heavily on the cosmic and weird side of things, for one, but there's also a lot of praise for the one character that has been barely present in trailers and ads (Talos).

Yes, this was the impression I got too. It's the reason why Cinemascore is such an interesting idea, it's practically a "was this what you were expecting measure?" and it's related to the usual issue with trailers... in some sense the Real^TM movie is only experienced by people with no contact with the initial context of the film. Not the marketing. Not the word of mouth. None of it. Envy the children born today who can experience the pure MCU.

Also, sometimes, it depends what order you watch them in. People don't like Ghostbusters 2* as much but I disagree. It's a better version of the original film. The problem is most people have seen Ghostbusters in order. It was a long time before I even realised there was a Ghostbusters 1... I'm not sure how but for context it we'd taped it at whatever point. You get a similar thing, I feel, with Guardians of the Galaxy.

* They also say this with the recent film but I haven't seen that... largely because it has the worst good looking trailer I can remember watching. It just does not inspire confidence in that film. The only other trailer I remember being so bad looks bad, i.e. the one for Inhumans. I also blame Inhumans' reception on this trailer... people wanted it to be bad and interpreted everything through that prism. (Obviously, yes, this implies that I should give the new Ghostbusters a chance but that's my point... I did experience the marketing.)

Mephisto. He was pulling the strings in Infinity Gauntlet anyway. Maybe then we could get a proper Ghost Rider and Silver Surfer.

As long as they stay far, far away from One More Day.

Next Spider-man film title confirmed. I can feel it.

(See also Age of Ultron for why this title wouldn't mean anything.)

People always eager to speak for the "fans."

On the other hand, I think most people agree this era was... not particularly good. Whether they tend to cite the same reasoning is less clear. Certainly, people don't like NuHumans and this is probably more indicative of the real problem, i.e. trying to make the comics look like the MCU and using the comics to respond to criticisms of the MCU that just aren't true of the comics. I mean, it's not like characters like Northstar or Anole are hugely significant in the comics but once people started noticing patterns in the MCU slate characters like them suddenly ceased to exist.* And so Jean Grey outs Iceman in what's one of the least ethical (and logical) applications of telepathy I can remember that's presented as largely a net positive.

* In Anole's case... they seem to be systematically shafting all the New X-Men characters right now so this may be conspiratorial. Certainly, when they wanted to kill Wolverine off (and how he died would've killed him with a healing factor) it was suddenly necessary to get rid of Elixir whose powers literally solved the healing factor problem. Wolverine dies. Hello Elixir!

[Vassenor]

Yeah, because they were trying to replicate a dead guy. Bit of a difference between that and a CGI thing of a living actor.

I was largely joking.

Though as technology advances, I wouldn’t be surprised if there were legal battles where actors demanded money and credit from works that used computers to simulate them. Actors themselves would be like copyright protected IPs.

So how is that any different from needing to license the use of an actor's likeness for tie-in video games?

[The first Galactic Republic]

I was largely joking.

Though as technology advances, I wouldn’t be surprised if there were legal battles where actors demanded money and credit from works that used computers to simulate them. Actors themselves would be like copyright protected IPs.

So how is that any different from needing to license the use of an actor's likeness for tie-in video games?

Shit, I don’t know.

Not trying to say what absolutely will happen.

[Liriena]

Now THIS is marketing!

[Ameriganastan]

Black Panther just won the Best Costuming award.

[Ameriganastan]

And Spiderverse got Best Animated Feature. Nice.

[Cannot think of a name]

Black Panther just won the Best Costuming award.

And production design and score. Not bad.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Now THIS is marketing!

I like that 306k people watched that.

[Pasong Tirad]

And Spiderverse got Best Animated Feature. Nice.

Most important award that night.

[HC Eredivisie]

Now THIS is marketing!

I like that 306k people watched that.

Plot twist: Goose is actually Jones the cat and the Skrulls are on Earth to stop a Xenomorph infestation.

[The Pharcyde]

Now THIS is marketing!

They really do a great job with marketing overall. They also always drop their trailers at perfect times.

[Liriena]

I'd call the brigading going on in Captain Marvel's "want to see it" thingy on Rotten Tomatoes the very peak of dorky slacktivism... but I'm bracing myself for something even dorkier. Maybe there's gonna be a change.org petition to make the movie "non-canon" and edit her character out of Endgame.

[Liriena]

Black Panther just won the Best Costuming award.

And production design and score. Not bad.

Based Kevin F tripled DC's Oscar score in just one night.

[Ameriganastan]

I'd call the brigading going on in Captain Marvel's "want to see it" thingy on Rotten Tomatoes the very peak of dorky slacktivism... but I'm bracing myself for something even dorkier. Maybe there's gonna be a change.org petition to make the movie "non-canon" and edit her character out of Endgame.

I mean they can troll review all they want. Movie is still gonna make fat stacks.

[Vassenor]

I'd call the brigading going on in Captain Marvel's "want to see it" thingy on Rotten Tomatoes the very peak of dorky slacktivism... but I'm bracing myself for something even dorkier. Maybe there's gonna be a change.org petition to make the movie "non-canon" and edit her character out of Endgame.

Or they'll do what the angry meninists did to The Last Jedi and recut the film themselves to remove her, along with any other instance of a female character being anything other than an ass bouncing around the screen.

[The first Galactic Republic]

I'd call the brigading going on in Captain Marvel's "want to see it" thingy on Rotten Tomatoes the very peak of dorky slacktivism... but I'm bracing myself for something even dorkier. Maybe there's gonna be a change.org petition to make the movie "non-canon" and edit her character out of Endgame.

Or they'll do what the angry meninists did to The Last Jedi and recut the film themselves to remove her, along with any other instance of a female character being anything other than an ass bouncing around the screen.

The Ultimate Edition!

(Though at least this one was satire)

[Vassenor]

Or they'll do what the angry meninists did to The Last Jedi and recut the film themselves to remove her, along with any other instance of a female character being anything other than an ass bouncing around the screen.

The Ultimate Edition!

(Though at least this one was satire)

Unfortunately, mine wasn't.

[The first Galactic Republic]

The Ultimate Edition!

(Though at least this one was satire)

Unfortunately, mine wasn't.

You know, I don’t remember really hearing about MRAs outside of fringe forums like this before that whole Mad Max Fury Road “controversy”.

They practically grew up around taking offense to movies.

[Ameriganastan]

Unfortunately, mine wasn't.

Oi...

[The first Galactic Republic]

LOL

I wonder if they’ll make changes to user reviews in the future too. It seems like Rotten Tomatoes is always at the center of “controversies” whenever new blockbusters come out, and it looks like they’re getting tired of it.