MCU/Superhero Discussion Thread

[Ameriganastan]

Here's the Wikipedia list anyways
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor ... uperheroes

Some Marvel ones listed are Deadpool, Hercules, and Valkyrie.

...Why is Asami on a list for superheroes? I mean, I'll accept Korra since she is sort of like a superhero if you squint, but there's no way that Asami qualifies.

I mean, Batman counts as a superhero. And they're basically the same. Super rich people who fight crime with tech.

[Cannot think of a name]

>20 Marvel movies with male leads
>1 Marvel movie with a female lead
>OMG ITS SJW GONE MAD HER VAGINA IS GOING TO RUIN THE FRANCHISE!!!!1!!1

At this rate Youtubers are going to carry out a mass suicide when the first LGBT+ Marvel lead comes along.

Fast track Alpha Flight!

[Ameriganastan]

At this rate Youtubers are going to carry out a mass suicide when the first LGBT+ Marvel lead comes along.

Fast track Alpha Flight!

I remember those guys. They were in an episode of the 90's X-Men cartoon. Weirdest damn super group I ever saw. Especially the cartwheeling midget in the leotard.

[Alvecia]

Here's the Wikipedia list anyways
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor ... uperheroes

Some Marvel ones listed are Deadpool, Hercules, and Valkyrie.

>The Ambiguously Gay Duo

Yep, that checks out.

[Tarsonis]

The anti-Captain Marvel side of Youtube is absolutely breathtaking.

(Image)

You can add "owning the nerds" to the list of reasons why I want to watch it.

>20 Marvel movies with male leads
>1 Marvel movie with a female lead
>OMG ITS SJW GONE MAD HER VAGINA IS GOING TO RUIN THE FRANCHISE!!!!1!!1

Maybe its an angry vagina.

[Hirota]

The anti-Captain Marvel side of Youtube is absolutely breathtaking.

(Image)

You can add "owning the nerds" to the list of reasons why I want to watch it.

>20 Marvel movies with male leads
>1 Marvel movie with a female lead
>OMG ITS SJW GONE MAD HER VAGINA IS GOING TO RUIN THE FRANCHISE!!!!1!!1

I'm getting the distinct feeling that Hollywood types have discovered that jumping on the outrage bandwagon is a very good way to get viral marketing for free. It's all very predictable, and we've seen it played to death a few times.

1. Actor/Actress/Director will say something that they know will provoke an outraged reaction - be that about once wanting to kill a ‘black bastard’ in revenge for the rape of a loved one, or pretending everyone who dislikes their film and prefers the originals is a misogynist, or expressing how they don't want the press tour to be "too white" or whatever other bait you might think of.

2. Enter the Twittermob and Youtube ranters, stage left, to give them, their publicist, and the studio the outraged reaction they seek, only more so.

3. Enter the counter mob, replete with tumblr accounts, twitter accounts and whatever social media they decide to leverage to decide that they are going to support Actor/Actress/Director by going to watch the latest film or buy the latest product in support of Actor/Actress/Director beliefs and fuel the perpetual outrage machine.

4. Clickbait Journos and wanabee bloggers will cherrypick the most salacious parts of 2 and 3 to promote their own content whilst virtue signaling their own preferred cause or brand of politics.

I'm just a bit bored by it all, and none of it really matters what the film/TV show/product is actually about and if it's any good.

Me personally...I've already booked my seats for me and the missus, I'll probably enjoy it, and it'll make a pleasant hors d'oeuvre for the main meal in April.

[Forsher]

Here's the Wikipedia list anyways
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor ... uperheroes

Some Marvel ones listed are Deadpool, Hercules, and Valkyrie.

Deadpool is only slightly more pansexual than Dumbledore is gay. Marvel literally has married LGBT superheroes (as in a same sex marriage) and Young Avengers was majority queer and somehow Deadpool gets to become this flagship character?

*Although I thought the same about BP's trailers, so who knows.

Well... you were right.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Here's the Wikipedia list anyways
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor ... uperheroes

Some Marvel ones listed are Deadpool, Hercules, and Valkyrie.

Deadpool is only slightly more pansexual than Dumbledore is gay. Marvel literally has married LGBT superheroes (as in a same sex marriage) and Young Avengers was majority queer and somehow Deadpool gets to become this flagship character?

*Although I thought the same about BP's trailers, so who knows.

Well... you were right.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of that Best Picture nomination!

[Cannot think of a name]

Fast track Alpha Flight!

I remember those guys. They were in an episode of the 90's X-Men cartoon. Weirdest damn super group I ever saw. Especially the cartwheeling midget in the leotard.

Do not disparage Puck! Yeah, they named the character with dwarfism "Puck"...and that power cartwheeling is his signature move. Sasquatch was an attempt to replicate The Hulk but ended up bonding with an extra-dimensional being. His human alter ego was a scientist and former Green Bay Packer, because comics. Then there's Box...the super powered robot created by a guy who lost his legs.

Alpha Flight is supposed to be like the Canadian Avengers/X Men, but ultimately it's a weird "Island of Misfit Toys" team of superheroes. Still, kind of dug that title 'back in the day'...

Northstar was Marvel's first openly gay character and that happened in the 80s. Also first comic book character in a same sex marriage.

[Forsher]

Deadpool is only slightly more pansexual than Dumbledore is gay. Marvel literally has married LGBT superheroes (as in a same sex marriage) and Young Avengers was majority queer and somehow Deadpool gets to become this flagship character?



Well... you were right.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of that Best Picture nomination!

Because the Oscars have such a good record at discerning good and bad films as opposed to pretentious and unwatched films...

That the MCU got an Oscar nod by making their usual movie (it's so repetitive... among other things, it's literally a rip off of Ragnarok) by doing nothing more than taking out the jokes tells you everything you need to know about the Academy and nothing about anything else.

It is, however, a better film than IW in the sense it tells a better story and fits in smoothly with the canon (i.e. the pre-existing story) much better than IW does.

[Lord Dominator]

Here's the Wikipedia list anyways
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor ... uperheroes

Some Marvel ones listed are Deadpool, Hercules, and Valkyrie.

Deadpool is only slightly more pansexual than Dumbledore is gay. Marvel literally has married LGBT superheroes (as in a same sex marriage) and Young Avengers was majority queer and somehow Deadpool gets to become this flagship character?

*Although I thought the same about BP's trailers, so who knows.

Well... you were right.

I named DP because he's recognizable, not because he's flagship for it

[Forsher]

Deadpool is only slightly more pansexual than Dumbledore is gay. Marvel literally has married LGBT superheroes (as in a same sex marriage) and Young Avengers was majority queer and somehow Deadpool gets to become this flagship character?



Well... you were right.

I named DP because he's recognizable, not because he's flagship for it

I would say that he has become it despite having the scantest credentials.

[Cannot think of a name]

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of that Best Picture nomination!

Because the Oscars have such a good record at discerning good and bad films as opposed to pretentious and unwatched films...

That the MCU got an Oscar nod by making their usual movie (it's so repetitive... among other things, it's literally a rip off of Ragnarok) by doing nothing more than taking out the jokes tells you everything you need to know about the Academy and nothing about anything else.

It is, however, a better film than IW in the sense it tells a better story and fits in smoothly with the canon (i.e. the pre-existing story) much better than IW does.

Alright, I'm game. How is it a rip off of Ragnarok.

[Forsher]

Because the Oscars have such a good record at discerning good and bad films as opposed to pretentious and unwatched films...

That the MCU got an Oscar nod by making their usual movie (it's so repetitive... among other things, it's literally a rip off of Ragnarok) by doing nothing more than taking out the jokes tells you everything you need to know about the Academy and nothing about anything else.

It is, however, a better film than IW in the sense it tells a better story and fits in smoothly with the canon (i.e. the pre-existing story) much better than IW does.

Alright, I'm game. How is it a rip off of Ragnarok.

BP and Ragnarok both revolve around the arrival of an unknown claimant to the throne who intends to create an Empire. Both... as is typical in MCU films... are unknown due to the secret keeping behaviour of the main character's father-kings. Both films involve the main character being presumed dead and requiring a power-up. The biggest difference is that Thor puts his team together whereas T'Challa gets put together by Nakia!

Thematically they even copy each other... both are about colonialism (although Ragnarok is much more subtle... in part because Hela is just so aggressive).

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of that Best Picture nomination!

Because the Oscars have such a good record at discerning good and bad films as opposed to pretentious and unwatched films...

That the MCU got an Oscar nod by making their usual movie (it's so repetitive... among other things, it's literally a rip off of Ragnarok) by doing nothing more than taking out the jokes tells you everything you need to know about the Academy and nothing about anything else.

It is, however, a better film than IW in the sense it tells a better story and fits in smoothly with the canon (i.e. the pre-existing story) much better than IW does.

You know, when someone tells me they love a film I didn't care for, I tend to assume they've noticed something I haven't or that they value something I don't. I don't assume they're lying about liking it.

Maybe the people who like BP aren't being pretentious. That is, they're not pretending to be cleverer than you. Maybe they're just...cleverer than you.

[Cannot think of a name]

Alright, I'm game. How is it a rip off of Ragnarok.

BP and Ragnarok both revolve around the arrival of an unknown claimant to the throne who intends to create an Empire. Both... as is typical in MCU films... are unknown due to the secret keeping behaviour of the main character's father-kings. Both films involve the main character being presumed dead and requiring a power-up. The biggest difference is that Thor puts his team together whereas T'Challa gets put together by Nakia!

Thematically they even copy each other... both are about colonialism (although Ragnarok is much more subtle... in part because Hela is just so aggressive).

Cool. That was every bit the stretch I thought it would be.

[Pasong Tirad]

I have no idea how one person can think that a fantasy comedy romp film in space with superheroes is the same as an Afrofuturist political action thriller with superheroes.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I have no idea how one person can think that a fantasy comedy romp film in space with superheroes is the same as an Afrofuturist political action thriller with superheroes.

They could still have similar plot structure but entirely different themes and variations of said plot structure.

[The first Galactic Republic]

I have no idea how one person can think that a fantasy comedy romp film in space with superheroes is the same as an Afrofuturist political action thriller with superheroes.

They could still have similar plot structure but entirely different themes and variations of said plot structure.

Tbh I see the point made. The scripts are very similar.

But the two movies are far too different in tone and themes. Besides, Ragnarok just pays lip service to the theme of colonialism. The countries involved are made up, and there’s no audience attachment to them. Black Panther focuses on a social message that connects to real history.

[Alvecia]

They could still have similar plot structure but entirely different themes and variations of said plot structure.

Tbh I see the point made. The scripts are very similar.

But the two movies are far too different in tone and themes. Besides, Ragnarok just pays lip service to the theme of colonialism. The countries involved are made up, and there’s no audience attachment to them. Black Panther focuses on a social message that connects to real history.

If you break down any story to its bare bones, there are only 7 ever told. I don't find common story elements particularly notable.

[Pasong Tirad]

I have no idea how one person can think that a fantasy comedy romp film in space with superheroes is the same as an Afrofuturist political action thriller with superheroes.

They could still have similar plot structure but entirely different themes and variations of said plot structure.

That's true, but tbf, as other people have already said, there are a pretty limited number of kinds of stories being told, so just basing it down on a similar plot structure - or some similarities in the way the story is told - isn't really enough to say that one film is a rip off of the other (as has been claimed above).

[Lord Dominator]

I don't even personally really see the colonialism in Ragnarok, Hela strikes me (and Asgard in general) as a person/nation who's more out to grab loot and territory than anything approximating actual governance of such. I mean, Vanaheim and Nidavallir are the only ones of the 9 Realms that actually show some form of positive relationship beyond 'Asgard is better than this place,' and only Jotunheim has that negative relationship that resembles something closer to what'd you expect if someone beat you in a bunch of wars and stole your crown jewels.

[Pasong Tirad]

I don't even personally really see the colonialism in Ragnarok, Hela strikes me (and Asgard in general) as a person/nation who's more out to grab loot and territory than anything approximating actual governance of such. I mean, Vanaheim and Nidavallir are the only ones of the 9 Realms that actually show some form of positive relationship beyond 'Asgard is better than this place,' and only Jotunheim has that negative relationship that resembles something closer to what'd you expect if someone beat you in a bunch of wars and stole your crown jewels.

There was a part of the conflict wherein Hela asks something along the lines of "how do you think Asgard got so rich?" and the answer being Hela and Odin's conquests. It wasn't the main theme, but more like a column that helped support the overall arch of the story and the conflict.

[Lord Dominator]

I don't even personally really see the colonialism in Ragnarok, Hela strikes me (and Asgard in general) as a person/nation who's more out to grab loot and territory than anything approximating actual governance of such. I mean, Vanaheim and Nidavallir are the only ones of the 9 Realms that actually show some form of positive relationship beyond 'Asgard is better than this place,' and only Jotunheim has that negative relationship that resembles something closer to what'd you expect if someone beat you in a bunch of wars and stole your crown jewels.

There was a part of the conflict wherein Hela asks something along the lines of "how do you think Asgard got so rich?" and the answer being Hela and Odin's conquests. It wasn't the main theme, but more like a column that helped support the overall arch of the story and the conflict.

Sure, I just took that as something a bit closer to 'invade them and take their stuff repeatedly'

[Hirota]

There was a part of the conflict wherein Hela asks something along the lines of "how do you think Asgard got so rich?" and the answer being Hela and Odin's conquests. It wasn't the main theme, but more like a column that helped support the overall arch of the story and the conflict.

Sure, I just took that as something a bit closer to 'invade them and take their stuff repeatedly'

That would be rather space viking of them.