MCU/Superhero Discussion Thread

[Cannot think of a name]

If we're talking 80s mcu I could see a Michael Fiffer as Black Widow. Dicaprio could possibly be antman or Hawkeye. Idk about Spider-Man.

Dicaprio was 16 at 1990, he'd be Spider-man.

Stunt cast Garrett Morris as Ant-man, 'cause of the SNL sketch.

hahaha...Kevin Costner as Hawkeye, just because of Robin Hood Prince of Thieves.

[Eahland]

If we're talking 80s mcu I could see a Michael Fiffer as Black Widow. Dicaprio could possibly be antman or Hawkeye. Idk about Spider-Man.

Dicaprio was 16 at 1990, he'd be Spider-man.

Stunt cast Garrett Morris as Ant-man, 'cause of the SNL sketch.

hahaha...Kevin Costner as Hawkeye, just because of Robin Hood Prince of Thieves.

We can have a crossover with Cary Elwes as Green Arrow. I'm pretty sure he could pull off comic-book Oliver Queen's ridiculous facial hair.

I'm still sad that we never got Angela Bassett as Storm, which I wanted since I saw her in Strange Days.

[Cannot think of a name]

Kinda unfair reaction to Ms Marvel Ep.5

"How about not being evil?"

"You make a compelling point."

[The Alma Mater]

Oh my. Disney truly is not holding back the gay representation in Thor: Love and Thunder...

[Forsher]

Oh my. Disney truly is not holding back the gay representation in Thor: Love and Thunder...

You saw it or read spoilers?

[The Alma Mater]

Oh my. Disney truly is not holding back the gay representation in Thor: Love and Thunder...

You saw it or read spoilers?

Just saw it. It is amusing. Typical Thor movie.
And still.loving the goat boat Lego set

For those interested in representation (no naming of characters included):

We have a lesbian, mentioning of a gay couple, display of a gay couple and a girl who identifies as a boy.
And it is all not subtle either. As if they want to send a message

[Forsher]

You saw it or read spoilers?

Just saw it. It is amusing. Typical Thor movie.
And still.loving the goat boat Lego set

For those interested in representation (no naming of characters included):

We have a lesbian, mentioning of a gay couple, display of a gay couple and a girl who identifies as a boy.
And it is all not subtle either. As if they want to send a message

Screw it. I can't, in good conscience, go see this. The Covid situation here is... untenable and the government's just stuck it's head in the sand. I'm not saying that we should be in lockdown but... it might actually be necessary to preserve a functioning health system. This is an extreme (and unpopular) view, however. Nevertheless, it is my view so I'm going to do it. I'm going to deliberately spoil this movie. Fuck it. To Wikipedia!

TLaT Wikipedia article review (obviously can't tell if it's true or not)

Hey, my Reddit account kinda guessed how Mjolnir would be reforged right. I say kinda because obviously Wikipedia lacks details. And also I might've changed my mind. But spontaneous reformation when exposed to Jane always did seem kind of the best way to do it.

This paragraph is going to be edited for grammar. (The Omnipotent City one.) Very bad production values. 0/10.

Either this is a pack of lies or... to be honest, I never really liked Gorr's schtick in the comics. Now that I think about it, my complaint is similar to the charge I level at The Boys comic, he is what he hates and there's a stunning lack of self awareness about it. Hard to judge from Wikipedia, but I imagine it comes across as quite heartfelt? Don't tell me, I don't really want to know... I will, one day, watch this film.

Very adventure continues. And Jane dies!

Villain Zeus. Probably not that unexpected, actually.

If that's the actual film, it sounds pretty good.

With respect to the representation angle because Wikipedia did not clarify at all, I'm going to have to guess...

We have a lesbian,

Sif? I mean, I hope not but that's for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with the MCU version of the character, who could easily be. Hell, I guess Valkyrie could be too, actually. The bisexual stuff was all just word of God and there's no real evidence she's into dudes in Ragnarok.

mentioning of a gay couple,

Yeah, no idea. Unless it's a past relationship deal?

display of a gay couple

Valkyrie/Sif? That was a popular fan theory and Sif is physically co-located with Valkyrie at the end, rather than Thor.

I was hoping for Jane/Valkyrie since (a) I don't like MCU Jane (hence noting that she died with such enthusiasm) and (b) it stops either of them from getting in the way of Thor/Sif (which, as I implied, is completely baseless per MCU continuity).

and a girl who identifies as a boy.

I was going to guess Love but the article is using female pronouns for Love, so either this article is (at the time of reading) transphobic or I've got absolutely no idea who this might be.

I was kind of hoping maybe there'd be some set up for

Angela, Sera or Leah, but it doesn't look that way?

[Ameriganastan]

The best part though, Vincent Price would have been alive to play Doctor Strange.

Nah man, Jeffrey Combs. Who was in all but name the first live action Doc Strange anyway.

[Lord Dominator]

You saw it or read spoilers?

Just saw it. It is amusing. Typical Thor movie.
And still.loving the goat boat Lego set

For those interested in representation (no naming of characters included):

We have a lesbian, mentioning of a gay couple, display of a gay couple and a girl who identifies as a boy.
And it is all not subtle either. As if they want to send a message

Noice

[Cannot think of a name]

The best part though, Vincent Price would have been alive to play Doctor Strange.

Nah man, Jeffrey Combs. Who was in all but name the first live action Doc Strange anyway.

Not the first

Until recently I thought I had made that movie up Sinbad in Shazam style.

[Cannot think of a name]

Did we ever find out why Tommy and William didn't respond to Wanda's magic seeing as she created them, or does

the events of DS:MoM prove that she didn't actually invent them and that story line is still open?

I mean, they made up a significant portion of the emerging Young Avengers.

Did the other universe's Tommy and William have powers and they just didn't use them against the scary version of mom because she already laid out their mom? Or they haven't developed powers yet...(I mean, the meta reason is it was already a big ask for people who didn't watch WandaVision to keep up, to have the kids be part of that finale would have been way too busy, but if we start taking into account narrative efficiency where would the MCU theory industry be? Lost...lost I tell you!

[Christian Confederation]

If we're talking 80s mcu I could see a Michael Fiffer as Black Widow. Dicaprio could possibly be antman or Hawkeye. Idk about Spider-Man.

Dicaprio was 16 at 1990, he'd be Spider-man.

Stunt cast Garrett Morris as Ant-man, 'cause of the SNL sketch.

hahaha...Kevin Costner as Hawkeye, just because of Robin Hood Prince of Thieves.

You're 100% right idk why I thought Decaprio was like a decade older.89s Marvel would have been cool though let's be honest alot of great actors were in their prime back then. Robert Redford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamel, Sam Jackson was just getting big, Harrison Ford, David Attebbourgh. We could of had Sam Neil or Tommy Lee Jones as Justin Hammer.

[Cannot think of a name]

Dicaprio was 16 at 1990, he'd be Spider-man.

Stunt cast Garrett Morris as Ant-man, 'cause of the SNL sketch.

hahaha...Kevin Costner as Hawkeye, just because of Robin Hood Prince of Thieves.

You're 100% right idk why I thought Decaprio was like a decade older.89s Marvel would have been cool though let's be honest alot of great actors were in their prime back then. Robert Redford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamel, Sam Jackson was just getting big, Harrison Ford, David Attebbourgh. We could of had Sam Neil or Tommy Lee Jones as Justin Hammer.

The 90s was a little bleak and hit or miss for comic book movies. Burton's stylistic Batman had swung way closer to Adam West by Batman & Robin. In '89 you got Dolph Lungren as The Punisher where the skull only appeared on knife handles, couldn't even give him a t-shirt. Blade worked for some but was really campy. Spawn was...confounding. The Crow was kind of a goth/emo kid fantasy come to life which I guess works but man it was a goofy movie. I kinda liked Tank Girl but the creators of the comic weren't the fondest apparently. There was a weird spectrum for pre-war style heroes. On one end, Rocketeer was great (but didn't do well initially), on the other end was Billy Zane's The Phantom and somewhere in the middle not quite good not quite bad Alec Baldwin's The Shadow. I never even saw Shaq's Steel, which I'm guessing tried to remove the characters tie to Superman? Dunno. Also not really all that clear on the post-Death of Superman landscape of people trying to fill the mantle, maybe he isn't all that tied to Superman. He's in Superman and Lois. Judge Dredd felt a bit like it walked right up to capturing the bizarreness and humor of the comics but then just turned around and became an 90s action movie and the helmet came off. (I like Dredd but it took itself just a little too seriously for a Judge Dredd story. They are both brutal AND satirical. I really just want to squish the two movies together).

Once you get into those movies you really start to see how X-Men and Spider-man really saved the genre. Or at least introduced the modern superhero movie.

All of which to say...we maybe really dodged a bullet by not having the MCU happen earlier. I mean, the pitch for a Black Panther movie had him not being the king of Wakanda but a dude from a ghetto...and it wasn't a white guy who came up with that. Why they didn't just want to do Power Man instead I don't know.

And even with those two movies we got identical leather outfits or that Green Goblin mask.

[Christian Confederation]

You're 100% right idk why I thought Decaprio was like a decade older.89s Marvel would have been cool though let's be honest alot of great actors were in their prime back then. Robert Redford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamel, Sam Jackson was just getting big, Harrison Ford, David Attebbourgh. We could of had Sam Neil or Tommy Lee Jones as Justin Hammer.

The 90s was a little bleak and hit or miss for comic book movies. Burton's stylistic Batman had swung way closer to Adam West by Batman & Robin. In '89 you got Dolph Lungren as The Punisher where the skull only appeared on knife handles, couldn't even give him a t-shirt. Blade worked for some but was really campy. Spawn was...confounding. The Crow was kind of a goth/emo kid fantasy come to life which I guess works but man it was a goofy movie. I kinda liked Tank Girl but the creators of the comic weren't the fondest apparently. There was a weird spectrum for pre-war style heroes. On one end, Rocketeer was great (but didn't do well initially), on the other end was Billy Zane's The Phantom and somewhere in the middle not quite good not quite bad Alec Baldwin's The Shadow. I never even saw Shaq's Steel, which I'm guessing tried to remove the characters tie to Superman? Dunno. Also not really all that clear on the post-Death of Superman landscape of people trying to fill the mantle, maybe he isn't all that tied to Superman. He's in Superman and Lois. Judge Dredd felt a bit like it walked right up to capturing the bizarreness and humor of the comics but then just turned around and became an 90s action movie and the helmet came off. (I like Dredd but it took itself just a little too seriously for a Judge Dredd story. They are both brutal AND satirical. I really just want to squish the two movies together).

Once you get into those movies you really start to see how X-Men and Spider-man really saved the genre. Or at least introduced the modern superhero movie.

All of which to say...we maybe really dodged a bullet by not having the MCU happen earlier. I mean, the pitch for a Black Panther movie had him not being the king of Wakanda but a dude from a ghetto...and it wasn't a white guy who came up with that. Why they didn't just want to do Power Man instead I don't know.

And even with those two movies we got identical leather outfits or that Green Goblin mask.

Yeah the 90s were not kind to the genre. Loved Tank Girl it was such a fun movie. There were several good pitches for Batman movies after Batman and Robin but when it flopped they canceled everything. Unfortunately alot of good movie ideas were killed in development hell back in the 90s and 00s. Burton had a great plan for Batman 3, Schewmocker wanted to make a Manbat/ Scarecrow movie for his but the Studio wanted Two Face/ Riddler and Mr. Freeze. His original cut of Batman Forever was closer to 3 hours and darker but the Studio edited it. Overall fun thought experiment but thank God it didn't happen.

[HC Eredivisie]

Maybe her kids were born earlier in a world without Vision, 838-Thanos is missing the Mind Stone when he's fighting the Illuminati on Titan and Ultron isn't evil either.

I was wondering about why Wanda didn't look for a universe where her children were orphans so she could raise those, but she can't dreamwalk in a universe where she's dead. To get there she would need America Chavez as well.

Thing is, no matter when they were born something has to give - the actors for Billy and Tommy are 11 & 13 respectively, and they’re clearly around those ages as characters. Even with MoM being estimated to take place in early 2025 in the main universe, that’d still bump up into AoU or CW for when they were born (presuming no blip) if not earlier, and you have to shave them down to about 7 to hit IW. Hence, either there’s magic of the 838 timeline is further ahead. Me, I’m betting magic.

Incidentally, as I saw elsewhere, any lack of Vision could easily be answered by assuming he wasn’t nearby at the time (a mission, etc). Similarly, Ultrons that work doesn’t indicate a true lack of AoU - especially since they appear as generic robots basically, and not as the whole “suit or armor around the world” concept.

After thinking about it too hard, I think you're right about both. The 838 kids are older (or 616 is slower) and magic is involved. We've seen that a person looks the same in throughout the multiverse, 616-Wanda's kids look like their counterparts because she subconsciously took their appearance from another universe, the rapid aging in Wandavision was bringing them to the 'right' age they have elsewhere in the multiverse.

And does 838-Wanda even have powers, she doesn't fight back or anything?

[Lord Dominator]

Thing is, no matter when they were born something has to give - the actors for Billy and Tommy are 11 & 13 respectively, and they’re clearly around those ages as characters. Even with MoM being estimated to take place in early 2025 in the main universe, that’d still bump up into AoU or CW for when they were born (presuming no blip) if not earlier, and you have to shave them down to about 7 to hit IW. Hence, either there’s magic of the 838 timeline is further ahead. Me, I’m betting magic.

Incidentally, as I saw elsewhere, any lack of Vision could easily be answered by assuming he wasn’t nearby at the time (a mission, etc). Similarly, Ultrons that work doesn’t indicate a true lack of AoU - especially since they appear as generic robots basically, and not as the whole “suit or armor around the world” concept.

After thinking about it too hard, I think you're right about both. The 838 kids are older (or 616 is slower) and magic is involved. We've seen that a person looks the same in throughout the multiverse, 616-Wanda's kids look like their counterparts because she subconsciously took their appearance from another universe, the rapid aging in Wandavision was bringing them to the 'right' age they have elsewhere in the multiverse.

And does 838-Wanda even have powers, she doesn't fight back or anything?

She definitely flies her way out of the void place where the Vishanti book was at least

[Cannot think of a name]

Thing is, no matter when they were born something has to give - the actors for Billy and Tommy are 11 & 13 respectively, and they’re clearly around those ages as characters. Even with MoM being estimated to take place in early 2025 in the main universe, that’d still bump up into AoU or CW for when they were born (presuming no blip) if not earlier, and you have to shave them down to about 7 to hit IW. Hence, either there’s magic of the 838 timeline is further ahead. Me, I’m betting magic.

Incidentally, as I saw elsewhere, any lack of Vision could easily be answered by assuming he wasn’t nearby at the time (a mission, etc). Similarly, Ultrons that work doesn’t indicate a true lack of AoU - especially since they appear as generic robots basically, and not as the whole “suit or armor around the world” concept.

After thinking about it too hard, I think you're right about both. The 838 kids are older (or 616 is slower) and magic is involved. We've seen that a person looks the same in throughout the multiverse, 616-Wanda's kids look like their counterparts because she subconsciously took their appearance from another universe, the rapid aging in Wandavision was bringing them to the 'right' age they have elsewhere in the multiverse.

And does 838-Wanda even have powers, she doesn't fight back or anything?

I like this explanation.

[Cannot think of a name]

Thor Love and Thunder: (honestly not much of a spoiler but still a spoiler)

Thor Love & Thunder asks the question, "Can you make an action comedy but open it with the bleakest, saddest scene the MCU has done?"

And I'm not talking about the "I've watched this character on their journey and now this thing is happening to them and I'm sad' or 'someone is having an emotional revelation' sad, but 'here's this person your just meeting during this horrible moment. Watch him make his futile pleas for his daughters life in a barren wasteland to a literal uncaring god then curl up next to her makeshift grave and await his own death...and now, let's have fun with Korg and Thor! Haha, their goats scream a lot...what fun."

[Pasong Tirad]

HE'S HERE, HE'S THERE, HE'S EVERY-FUCKING-WHERE

[Forsher]

Thor Love and Thunder: (honestly not much of a spoiler but still a spoiler)

Thor Love & Thunder asks the question, "Can you make an action comedy but open it with the bleakest, saddest scene the MCU has done?"

And I'm not talking about the "I've watched this character on their journey and now this thing is happening to them and I'm sad' or 'someone is having an emotional revelation' sad, but 'here's this person your just meeting during this horrible moment. Watch him make his futile pleas for his daughters life in a barren wasteland to a literal uncaring god then curl up next to her makeshift grave and await his own death...and now, let's have fun with Korg and Thor! Haha, their goats scream a lot...what fun."

It is from the director that asked the question, "Can you make a coming of age comedy film about a Hitler Youth hiding a Jewish teenager from the Nazis?" The answer to that question is, incidentally, yes. It's based on a book which, based on the Wikipedia page, takes the story ("a Hitler Youth hiding a Jewish teenager from the Nazis" in the other direction.

I obviously can't say whether TLaT succeeded but Waititi is clearly convinced this is his thing.

[Cannot think of a name]

HE'S HERE, HE'S THERE, HE'S EVERY-FUCKING-WHERE

I thought that was him but forgot to check.
unrelated still being a bit ungenerous since I didn't really hate it.

So remember that movie where someone endured an unimaginable trauma that results in them acquirring a powerful but corrupting tool to right things and they are willing to tear down reality to get it so a magic person has to stop them? And they do it by appealing to their love for their lost child?

Either one.

[Nova Catania]

If we're talking 80s mcu I could see a Michael Fiffer as Black Widow. Dicaprio could possibly be antman or Hawkeye. Idk about Spider-Man.

Dicaprio was 16 at 1990, he'd be Spider-man.

Stunt cast Garrett Morris as Ant-man, 'cause of the SNL sketch.

hahaha...Kevin Costner as Hawkeye, just because of Robin Hood Prince of Thieves.

Ok, I’ve given this a lot of thought, and here’s my MCU casting roster for the 80’s:

Harrison Ford as Tony Stark. I like this, because now it makes sense that Stark’s dad was young during WWII.

Tom Cruise (hair dyed) as Cap.

Arnold Schwarzenegger as Thor. It’s perfect!

The guy who played Hulk in the TV show, reprising the role.

Michelle Feiffer as Black Widow. I agree with you.

I also agree about Kevin Costner as Hawkeye.

Silvester Stallone as Bucky. I feel he would be a pretty good Winter Soldier.

Michael J. Fox as Spiderman.


I haven’t figured out the rest.

[Kiddian States]

The HISHE for Dr. Strange 2 is gold

[Cannot think of a name]

stray thoughts when your bored:

In the MCU in Baltimore there's an old man who could punch you through a wall just tending is garden and not wanting to talk about it.

You think the neighborhood knows? Like one day some dudes came around, thought they'd hit an old mans house because what can he do about it and the next morning they were dangling upside down on the street light from their shoelaces and the neighborhood just went, "Don't fuck with old man Bradley. His old man strength is no joke."

[Eristu]

Hello. I'm Mark Steele, though at times I go by Icarus!, Celine Markus, Citizen Saline and other names

I've been into superheroes since I was very small. I started with Superrman and his family, expanded into other DC heroes and eventually got into Marvel by Thomas' X-Men and Avengers. And then there were others after that

From the time I was small I wanted to write comics. Well I've done that and some have even been published

Recently, as a writer, I've been exploring the Public Domain and using that to develop projects. The major project that I'm still seeking a publisher for is "Age of Wonders," which starts in 1938 and tells me hidden connections between the useable characters of the time and the early meetings and team ups

This series is heavily influenced by the Invaders and All-Star Squadron, but starts before any group like that has been formed

Recently I went to see the Dr. Strange movie. I loved it and the problems Wanda was going through, bad as she was, actually got me to cry, remembering some of the things her comics counterpart went through.

Please drop me a line and say hi if you want, and feel free to discuss any of the things I put in here

BTW, my most successful published comic was the short lived ILLUMINATUS! adaptation so seeing Marvel's Illuminati was... interesting...

Kallisti!

Mark Philip Steele