MCU/Superhero Discussion Thread

[The Huskar Social Union]

I figured Taskmaster was just tracking down the vials in general, and the the whole bridge thing was basically a spur-of-the-moment ambush.

Good shout

[Andsed]

We got a release date for Hawkeye, November 24th

[Cannot think of a name]

We got a release date for Hawkeye, November 24th

I guess this guess would be a spoiler if you haven't seen Black Widow so in an abundance of caution-

My guess is that the longer it takes for Yelena to show up in that series the greater the chance that she straight up kills Clint Barton. I'm guessing Clown kills Kate's parents. I dunno. I read that run of Hawkeye that was Hawkeye and Kate Bishop but I don't know that it really gave me any clues as to what this might be like. Unless every episode starts with a VO saying "Hear me out..."

[The Alma Mater]

So Scarlett Johansson is suing Disney because they released her movie on Disney+ at the same time as it runs in cinemas because she gets far less royalties of that. Her legal team estimates 50 million less; which I agree is a nice sum to sue for.

Still; I wonder if she is right with all the covid restrictions and all the people not wanting to go to cinemas at all...

[Ameriganastan]

So Scarlett Johansson is suing Disney because they released her movie on Disney+ at the same time as it runs in cinemas because she gets far less royalties of that. Her legal team estimates 50 million less; which I agree is a nice sum to sue for.

Still; I wonder if she is right with all the covid restrictions and all the people not wanting to go to cinemas at all...

Oh, the poor multi-millionaire actress isn't getting more money. Oh, her life is full of such hardship. I'm sure she's having such a sad time in her mansion...

[The Alma Mater]

So Scarlett Johansson is suing Disney because they released her movie on Disney+ at the same time as it runs in cinemas because she gets far less royalties of that. Her legal team estimates 50 million less; which I agree is a nice sum to sue for.

Still; I wonder if she is right with all the covid restrictions and all the people not wanting to go to cinemas at all...

Oh, the poor multi-millionaire actress isn't getting more money. Oh, her life is full of such hardship. I'm sure she's having such a sad time in her mansion...

Would you have responded in the same way if it had been a male actor ?

[Ameriganastan]

Oh, the poor multi-millionaire actress isn't getting more money. Oh, her life is full of such hardship. I'm sure she's having such a sad time in her mansion...

Would you have responded in the same way if it had been a male actor ?

Yes. Because if there's one thing that annoys me, it's rich people whining about not getting enough money.

[Tarsonis]

Would you have responded in the same way if it had been a male actor ?

Yes. Because if there's one thing that annoys me, it's rich people whining about not getting enough money.

It's not about her not getting enough money, it's about Disney breaching the contract and scamming her out of money she is owed. Being rich doesn't mean you have to take being screwed over by underhanded business practices of your corporate overlords.

[Forsher]

Yes. Because if there's one thing that annoys me, it's rich people whining about not getting enough money.

It's not about her not getting enough money, it's about Disney breaching the contract and scamming her out of money she is owed. Being rich doesn't mean you have to take being screwed over by underhanded business practices of your corporate overlords.

No, it's about not using "breach of contract" claims to try and force companies to release movies through movie theatres in the middle of a pandemic.

[Vassenor]

It's not about her not getting enough money, it's about Disney breaching the contract and scamming her out of money she is owed. Being rich doesn't mean you have to take being screwed over by underhanded business practices of your corporate overlords.

No, it's about not using "breach of contract" claims to try and force companies to release movies through movie theatres in the middle of a pandemic.

Where does it say that, or are you just inferring that from...?

[The Huskar Social Union]

We got a release date for Hawkeye, November 24th

Strongest avenger.

[Tarsonis]

We got a release date for Hawkeye, November 24th

Strongest avenger.

Relevant

[Forsher]

No, it's about not using "breach of contract" claims to try and force companies to release movies through movie theatres in the middle of a pandemic.

Where does it say that, or are you just inferring that from...?

That is literally what she's suing over.

Ms. Johansson said in the suit that her agreement with Disney’s Marvel Entertainment guaranteed an exclusive theatrical release, and her salary was based in large part on the box-office performance of the film.

It's not hard.

Whether or not the contract actually guarantees that or not, I'm going to side with the people putting other people first instead of the one that already got paid $20m and wants more. Even if that means being on Disney's side.

And, frankly, I suspect the contract just guarantees her a cut and says nothing in particular about the distribution... having contracts with the actors control distribution options seems enormously short sighted. But, hey, I haven't read it, maybe it does say that. The thing is, from what's been reported, it doesn't seem like it does say that:

Ms Johansson said she was promised by Marvel Studios, which is owned by Disney, that Black Widow would be a "theatrical release".

She said she had understood this to mean a "window" of time would pass before it would be streamed - a period that has traditionally lasted 90 days.

Even if a court rules in her favour, it's still enormously fucked up on Johansson's part.

Of course, you might argue that "Disney didn't have to release the movie", but Johansson's set even if she got paid nothing, hell she could probably pay Disney $20m to be in the film... it's everyone else associated with the movie that might need to say, "Look, I was in this/helped make this" for their continued employment in an increasingly fraught industry that suffers that way. (And, yes, I watched the film the day it came out on Disney+... and, yes, I'd rather not wait longer to have seen it, so it's not like I'm a disinterested third party but even so.)

[The Huskar Social Union]

Strongest avenger.

Relevant

oh my god

[Ameriganastan]

Yes. Because if there's one thing that annoys me, it's rich people whining about not getting enough money.

It's not about her not getting enough money, it's about Disney breaching the contract and scamming her out of money she is owed. Being rich doesn't mean you have to take being screwed over by underhanded business practices of your corporate overlords.

Oh, boo-hoo for her. She makes millions of dollars playing pretend for a living. I'm not going to weep over her not getting a little more money.

Also, Black Widow was a bad movie. So her getting screwed out of money for it makes me feel better about the $7 I wasted on it.

[Tarsonis]

It's not about her not getting enough money, it's about Disney breaching the contract and scamming her out of money she is owed. Being rich doesn't mean you have to take being screwed over by underhanded business practices of your corporate overlords.

Oh, boo-hoo for her. She makes millions of dollars playing pretend for a living. I'm not going to weep over her not getting a little more money.

Also, Black Widow was a bad movie. So her getting screwed out of money for it makes me feel better about the $7 I wasted on it.

whatever

[Pasong Tirad]

Whatever the case may be, "How could you sue me, a multibillion-dollar corporation, don't you know there's a PANDEMIC going on?" is a bad defense on Disney's part, imo.

[The Alma Mater]

Whatever the case may be, "How could you sue me, a multibillion-dollar corporation, don't you know there's a PANDEMIC going on?" is a bad defense on Disney's part, imo.

Especially since they have no problems with large gatherings at the Disney themeparks despite said pandemic.

[Cannot think of a name]

Whatever the case may be, "How could you sue me, a multibillion-dollar corporation, don't you know there's a PANDEMIC going on?" is a bad defense on Disney's part, imo.

Especially since they have no problems with large gatherings at the Disney themeparks despite said pandemic.

But they have the characters from The Incredibles do a PSA about masks and distancing, so it's all okay...

[SD_Film Artists]

Yes. Because if there's one thing that annoys me, it's rich people whining about not getting enough money.

It's not about her not getting enough money, it's about Disney breaching the contract and scamming her out of money she is owed. Being rich doesn't mean you have to take being screwed over by underhanded business practices of your corporate overlords.

Exactly. Despite her wealth she's still the victim and underdog. I'd like her to win as Disney are a completely trash morally bankrupt company but I suspect that Disney will win or at least have a more favourable out-of-court settlement; partially because Disney lawyers are among the best in the country and also because they have a good case with the pandemic even though they're blatantly milking it for corporate gain.

[The Alma Mater]

It's not about her not getting enough money, it's about Disney breaching the contract and scamming her out of money she is owed. Being rich doesn't mean you have to take being screwed over by underhanded business practices of your corporate overlords.

Exactly. Despite her wealth she's still the victim and underdog. I'd like her to win as Disney are a completely trash morally bankrupt company but I suspect that Disney will win or at least have a more favourable out-of-court settlement; partially because Disney lawyers are among the best in the country and also because they have a good case with the pandemic even though they're blatantly milking it for corporate gain.

How do they have a good case with the pandemic ?
The pandemic would have been a good reason to *renegotiate* the contract, absolutely. Not to just decide they would break it.

[Tarsonis]

Exactly. Despite her wealth she's still the victim and underdog. I'd like her to win as Disney are a completely trash morally bankrupt company but I suspect that Disney will win or at least have a more favourable out-of-court settlement; partially because Disney lawyers are among the best in the country and also because they have a good case with the pandemic even though they're blatantly milking it for corporate gain.

How do they have a good case with the pandemic ?
The pandemic would have been a good reason to *renegotiate* the contract, absolutely. Not to just decide they would break it.

That I think is Scarjo's camp's argument. They had a contract for an exclusive theater release. Covid hits, making streaming the dominant medium. Should have been a simple renegotiation for both theater and streaming release, but instead Disney tried to use the cover of Covid to break contract and scam her out of millions.

[Forsher]

Exactly. Despite her wealth she's still the victim and underdog. I'd like her to win as Disney are a completely trash morally bankrupt company but I suspect that Disney will win or at least have a more favourable out-of-court settlement; partially because Disney lawyers are among the best in the country and also because they have a good case with the pandemic even though they're blatantly milking it for corporate gain.

How do they have a good case with the pandemic ?
The pandemic would have been a good reason to *renegotiate* the contract, absolutely. Not to just decide they would break it.

I feel like if she was correct, there'd be a better quote than:

Ms Johansson said she was promised by Marvel Studios, which is owned by Disney, that Black Widow would be a "theatrical release".

She said she had understood this to mean a "window" of time would pass before it would be streamed - a period that has traditionally lasted 90 days.

warning words

"promised" not "we agreed"
"theatrical release" not something that indicates exclusivity
"she had understood" rather than something stronger

But, hey, maybe she's right.

And if we want to hail her as some kind of crusader against Disney... why isn't the clause that caused trouble being made public so no-one else in the same boat is made? Some kind of NDA or something, maybe?

[HC Eredivisie]

I figured Taskmaster was just tracking down the vials in general, and the the whole bridge thing was basically a spur-of-the-moment ambush.

Good shout

That makes sense, at first I thought Taskmaster had sabotaged the generator but that was silly after thinking about it.

[Cannot think of a name]

In which Zendeya echoes the relative uncertainty of the current franchise and a website turns that into a rumor that she's leaving the franchise.
This is the title:
"Zendeya Leaving the Marvel Universe"

Here is the quote:
“We don’t know if we’re gonna do another one,” she tells E! News on July 10. “Like, is it just gonna be three and done? Normally you do three movies and that’s pretty much it, so I think we just were all absorbing and taking the time to just enjoy the moment, being with each other, and being so grateful for that experience.”


I guess by sharing these links I'm only making it worse but i wanted to impotently shake my fist at it...so here we are.

I figured Taskmaster was just tracking down the vials in general, and the the whole bridge thing was basically a spur-of-the-moment ambush.

I buy it.