MCU/Superhero Discussion Thread

[HC Eredivisie]

Why not someone from the Dora Milaj though?

[Gig em Aggies]

Why not someone from the Dora Milaj though?

It's because it's not canon I believe besides if they do a line of secession then Shuri would be the Black Panther or she and M'Baku could fight for the throne

[Hirota]

Who Ruled Wakanda Between Infinity War & Endgame? We know Shuri got dusted, we know M'Baku and Okoye survived.

[Gig em Aggies]

Who Ruled Wakanda Between Infinity War & Endgame? We know Shuri got dusted, we know M'Baku and Okoye survived.

it was T'Challa's Mother who ruled until he returned besides she was the only member of the royal family to still be living for those 5 years in between the IW & EG

[HC Eredivisie]

Why not someone from the Dora Milaj though?

It's because it's not canon I believe besides if they do a line of secession then Shuri would be the Black Panther or she and M'Baku could fight for the throne

Everybody can fight for the throne though, if they want to.

[Cannot think of a name]

It's because it's not canon I believe besides if they do a line of secession then Shuri would be the Black Panther or she and M'Baku could fight for the throne

Everybody can fight for the throne though, if they want to.

I think you have to have royal blood. Which for the most advanced nation on Earth they have a really antiquated organization of government. We talk a lot about how Killmonger had a bit of a point, but M'Baku might have been on to something as well...

[Ameriganastan]

Everybody can fight for the throne though, if they want to.

I think you have to have royal blood. Which for the most advanced nation on Earth they have a really antiquated organization of government. We talk a lot about how Killmonger had a bit of a point, but M'Baku might have been on to something as well...

Ooh, M'Baku as the new Panther. There's an idea.

[HC Eredivisie]

Everybody can fight for the throne though, if they want to.

I think you have to have royal blood. Which for the most advanced nation on Earth they have a really antiquated organization of government. We talk a lot about how Killmonger had a bit of a point, but M'Baku might have been on to something as well...

Then the other tribes also have a royal line or would their leaders be considered royalty? Since M'Baku was allowed to challenge T'Challa.

[Gig em Aggies]

I think you have to have royal blood. Which for the most advanced nation on Earth they have a really antiquated organization of government. We talk a lot about how Killmonger had a bit of a point, but M'Baku might have been on to something as well...

Then the other tribes also have a royal line or would their leaders be considered royalty? Since M'Baku was allowed to challenge T'Challa.

Well they dont have a royal lineage they just issue challenges to the throne through legal measure of Wakanda just like what Warmonger did in Black Panther.

[Forsher]

I think you have to have royal blood. Which for the most advanced nation on Earth they have a really antiquated organization of government. We talk a lot about how Killmonger had a bit of a point, but M'Baku might have been on to something as well...

Then the other tribes also have a royal line or would their leaders be considered royalty? Since M'Baku was allowed to challenge T'Challa.

It seems to be some kind of Great House quasi-elective monarchy, except instead of that dickish American House X (it's the House of X, Christ or, alternatively, the X's or [term derived from X]s) they're called tribes.

In any case, an idea I saw for a recast was to use a multiversal and older T'Challa with an explicitly different lifestory to explain why this T'Challa would form the Illuminati. I think the specific idea was that Killmonger was raised in Wakanda as a family member but unlike M'Baku he did not yield during the fight, so T'Challa killed him.

I'm honestly not sure if they would eventually have ended up doing the Incursions/Time Runs Out in a world where Chadwick Boseman wasn't ill/survived. When it comes to T'Challa specifically... I think the big moment was in the Great Society arc and that it was kind of adapted in the BP we've already got. I mean, compare this & this to "it is hard to be a good man and a king" & "you were wrong, all of you". So, in that context, would MCU!T'Challa really have formed the Illuminati? I know, I know... he'd have had some films to put some moral mileage on and probably also have seen Wakanda get half-wiped out by Namor, but even so. But a War Doctor-esque T'Challa with a mysterious life?

Maybe instead of T'Challa finding Black Swan practically by chance in the jungle of Wakanda, maybe Illuminati!T'Challa chases after her, the last survivor of a world and an Illuminati that's already lost. And maybe he decides to try and save the new universe he finds himself in... sure that this time he knows everything there is to know about Black Swan and her agenda (but, of course, he is wrong). So off he goes to try and find the members of his old Illuminati... Reed Richards, Black Bolt, Maximus, Hank McCoy (who could even be back doored... introduced to the MCU as relevant players by this film and T'Challa's multiversal knowledge) and Stephen Strange (Tony, of course, is dead).

And then in the Black Panther branded films... Shuri is the Black Panther (maybe in the white suit, maybe not) and the Queen (regnant) of Wakanda, who keeps a secret from her mother, Nakia and M'Baku, i.e. that there is an older version of T'Challa in the City of the Dead. This secret comes out eventually and M'Baku (and maybe also Nakia) lose(s) faith in Shuri's leadership...

[Cannot think of a name]

I think you have to have royal blood. Which for the most advanced nation on Earth they have a really antiquated organization of government. We talk a lot about how Killmonger had a bit of a point, but M'Baku might have been on to something as well...

Then the other tribes also have a royal line or would their leaders be considered royalty? Since M'Baku was allowed to challenge T'Challa.

Yeah, members of the other tribes have their own royalty. Because they were a coalition of tribes to form Wakanda. The Panther tribe ended up on top but set up a system where the other tribes could challenge, but generally only the Jabari do.

[Lord Dominator]

Then the other tribes also have a royal line or would their leaders be considered royalty? Since M'Baku was allowed to challenge T'Challa.

Yeah, members of the other tribes have their own royalty. Because they were a coalition of tribes to form Wakanda. The Panther tribe ended up on top but set up a system where the other tribes could challenge, but generally only the Jabari do.

Personally, I got the implication that only the Jabari really function as completely separate tribes, whereas the rest are usually more symbolic holdovers than actual tribes.

[Cannot think of a name]

Yeah, members of the other tribes have their own royalty. Because they were a coalition of tribes to form Wakanda. The Panther tribe ended up on top but set up a system where the other tribes could challenge, but generally only the Jabari do.

Personally, I got the implication that only the Jabari really function as completely separate tribes, whereas the rest are usually more symbolic holdovers than actual tribes.

Well, they all have members who sit on the ruling council and each of them seem to have a say in things. The Merchant Tribe representative is the one who asks N’Jadaka his name.

EDIT: Also, they were all asked if they would challenge for the throne during the ceremony.

[HC Eredivisie]

Personally, I got the implication that only the Jabari really function as completely separate tribes, whereas the rest are usually more symbolic holdovers than actual tribes.

Well, they all have members who sit on the ruling council and each of them seem to have a say in things. The Merchant Tribe representative is the one who asks N’Jadaka his name.

EDIT: Also, they were all asked if they would challenge for the throne during the ceremony.

I figured they'd sent someone who could be a ruler, not necessarily royalty.

[Cannot think of a name]

Well, they all have members who sit on the ruling council and each of them seem to have a say in things. The Merchant Tribe representative is the one who asks N’Jadaka his name.

EDIT: Also, they were all asked if they would challenge for the throne during the ceremony.

I figured they'd sent someone who could be a ruler, not necessarily royalty.

I imagine each tribe determines eligibility their own way. M’Baku sent himself.

[Gig em Aggies]

I figured they'd sent someone who could be a ruler, not necessarily royalty.

I imagine each tribe determines eligibility their own way. M’Baku sent himself.

Black Panther 2: Civil War or what we reference all the time in the Gun Control thread Black Panther 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Lord Dominator]

I imagine each tribe determines eligibility their own way. M’Baku sent himself.

Black Panther 2: Civil War or what we reference all the time in the Gun Control thread Black Panther 2: Electric Boogaloo

...what?

[Cannot think of a name]

I imagine each tribe determines eligibility their own way. M’Baku sent himself.

Black Panther 2: Civil War or what we reference all the time in the Gun Control thread Black Panther 2: Electric Boogaloo

I really wish internet edgelords hadn't sullied the mastery that is Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo or the fine name of Boogaloo Shrimp.


If you have Amazon Prime (I think that's where it is) find that documentary on Boogaloo Shrimp and shed a tear at all the white garbage posters dragging his name around in their weird Civil War fantasies.

[Cannot think of a name]

There is now a She Hulk.

On the casting side, today it’s being reported that the upcoming Disney+ series She-Hulk has confirmed its Jade Giantess: Tatiana Maslany, the Emmy-winning Canadian actress best known for her character(s) in Orphan Black.

If you were wondering what the tone of the series will be...silly. The show is going to be silly:

As of now, She-Hulk will debut on the streaming service sometime in 2022 – and we hope that’s far enough down the line that it won’t be pushed. Kat Coiro (The Mick, It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia) recently signed on to direct the pilot and several episodes, while Jessica Gao (Rick and Morty) will head up the writers room. With these ladies’ comedy roots, we’re hoping the show will have a humorous cutting edge like the comic series.

As noted, the comic book is satirical most of the time anyway, so that's not really a surprise.

Also, if this is true then Kang the Conqueror is likely not the monster at the end of the book.

We also got more big casting news earlier this week: Jonathan Majors, the recent breakout star of The Last Black Man in San Francisco, Da 5 Bloods, and Lovecraft Country, is set to appear as a villain in the upcoming Ant-Man 3, which is scheduled to debut in 2022 as of right now. His character wasn’t confirmed, but many are speculating that he’ll play Kang the Conqueror, one of Stan and Jack Kirby’s classic villains.

This makes a degree of sense, Lang opened the door to time travel and could end up on Kang's radar. I don't know how a pair of shrinky dinks brings down an Avengers villain by themselves but I'm sure they'll work it out.

[Ameriganastan]

Can't say I'm jazzed about that casting. I never liked Orphan Black.

[Cannot think of a name]

Can't say I'm jazzed about that casting. I never liked Orphan Black.

Who could have called that...

[The Huskar Social Union]

If i had a quid for every time Ameri disliked something on this website i would be sorted for take outs for a few months i reckon.

[Lord Dominator]

Is there something more concrete to the speculation about Kang than unnamed people?

Edit: Found something, though it still only says "sources"

[Forsher]

If i had a quid for every time Ameri disliked something on this website i would be sorted for take outs for a few months i reckon.

There was a post I read somewhere in A&F that ran to the effect of "Ameri doesn't even like the things he likes". I think it was a Doctor Who thread.

Is there something more concrete to the speculation about Kang than unnamed people?

Edit: Found something, though it still only says "sources"

There is not.

[Ameriganastan]

Can't say I'm jazzed about that casting. I never liked Orphan Black.

Who could have called that...

If i had a quid for every time Ameri disliked something on this website i would be sorted for take outs for a few months i reckon.

There was a post I read somewhere in A&F that ran to the effect of "Ameri doesn't even like the things he likes". I think it was a Doctor Who thread.

All 3 of you can bite me.