MCU/Superhero Discussion Thread

[Ameriganastan]

I'm not so sure Christianity is even doing so hot in a world that found out that the Norse were right the whole time. Kinda silly to worship this "Yahweh" guy who never even talks to you when Thor literally came to Earth and personally saved your life.

Yeah. But there's also a boatload of heroes and villains who get their powers from Hell. Which means there's probably a Heaven somewhere in that universe.

[Alvecia]

I'm not so sure Christianity is even doing so hot in a world that found out that the Norse were right the whole time. Kinda silly to worship this "Yahweh" guy who never even talks to you when Thor literally came to Earth and personally saved your life.

Yeah. But there's also a boatload of heroes and villains who get their powers from Hell. Which means there's probably a Heaven somewhere in that universe.

I mean, the Norse weren't exactly "right" in the same sense, either. The Norse gods are only there in that there are aliens who masquerade as such.
And I don't know about you, but I suspect the MCU Loki didn't spawn a giant snake and a six-legged horse.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

I'm not so sure Christianity is even doing so hot in a world that found out that the Norse were right the whole time. Kinda silly to worship this "Yahweh" guy who never even talks to you when Thor literally came to Earth and personally saved your life.

Yeah. But there's also a boatload of heroes and villains who get their powers from Hell. Which means there's probably a Heaven somewhere in that universe.

In the MCU?
Maybe in the comic books (Ghost Rider comes to mind), but I don't think that they're in the movies yet.

[Ameriganastan]

Yeah. But there's also a boatload of heroes and villains who get their powers from Hell. Which means there's probably a Heaven somewhere in that universe.

In the MCU?
Maybe in the comic books (Ghost Rider comes to mind), but I don't think that they're in the movies yet.

No, but he (The Robbie Reyes version) was on Agents Of Shield for a time. And that show is canon to the MCU.

[Alvecia]

In the MCU?
Maybe in the comic books (Ghost Rider comes to mind), but I don't think that they're in the movies yet.

No, but he (The Robbie Reyes version) was on Agents Of Shield for a time. And that show is canon to the MCU.

I had a little tumble down a Wiki hole and found this.
So I wouldn't say the Hell of the MCU is necessarily the Hell of Christianity. More just a different dimension given that name.
That being said, I also wouldn't say that means that there is necessarily a heaven in the MCU. Though chances are there's a similarly named really nice dimension that people start calling heaven

[Olthar]

It sure is. It may have taken six attempts, but we finally got a Spider-Man movie that's actually good.

The first Spider-Man movie was already good.

Maybe if Toby Maguire wasn't so horrible in the role, but he was.

My prediction for Part 2:

Since the original six Avengers are all still alive, this one will act as a sort of last hurrah for the old guard. Since the gauntlet was destroyed, the six of them will use the six stones to undo The Snap, bringing everyone back. However, since they don't have the gauntlet, they'll all get killed by it, for realsies. Maybe Thor will survive due to being Asgardian and because I doubt they'd kill him off so soon after his upgrade, but I'm sure the others are all toast.

Alternatively, Cap and Stark are the only ones to die, and the others just walk off into the sunset, instead. No matter what, though, I can guarantee that those two definitely both have targets on their backs. They're not living through this.

The stones are still on the gauntlet so if the Avengers have all the stones they'll have the gauntlet too. Unless the stones work like the Dragon Balls.

Did you miss the part where the gauntlet is destroyed?

That were just aliens worshipped as gods, I doubt that would've changed much in the world of religion. If anything they would be just pointed to 'false gods, we're still right'.

Do the people actually know that? I doubt Thor holds press conferences, so it seems like the only thing the people know is that there's this super powerful dude named Thor who can control the weather, just like the Norse god of thunder.

I'm not so sure Christianity is even doing so hot in a world that found out that the Norse were right the whole time. Kinda silly to worship this "Yahweh" guy who never even talks to you when Thor literally came to Earth and personally saved your life.

Yeah. But there's also a boatload of heroes and villains who get their powers from Hell. Which means there's probably a Heaven somewhere in that universe.

I'm not talking about what actually exists or who is actually right. I'm talking about what the people know, and they have no way of knowing whether or not Christianity is right, but they do know that Norse gods exist.

[Alvecia]

The stones are still on the gauntlet so if the Avengers have all the stones they'll have the gauntlet too. Unless the stones work like the Dragon Balls.

Did you miss the part where the gauntlet is destroyed?

Like, how destroyed tho? It looked pretty battered for sure, but completely non-functional? I suspect not.

[Olthar]

Did you miss the part where the gauntlet is destroyed?

Like, how destroyed tho? It looked pretty battered for sure, but completely non-functional? I suspect not.

What's the point of the movie destroying it if it still works?

[Alvecia]

Like, how destroyed tho? It looked pretty battered for sure, but completely non-functional? I suspect not.

What's the point of the movie destroying it if it still works?

Just off the top of my head I think it adds weight and power to the action Thanos took.

Also narratively if it is was only partially destroyed then that means the Good Guys^tm can use it to reverse Thanos' action, but speculatively perhaps the Gauntlet can only do this kind of thing twice, so the second time breaks it, taking it off the table as a narrative device. Which kind of needs to happen going forward.

[The first Galactic Republic]

The first Spider-Man movie was already good.

Maybe if Toby Maguire wasn't so horrible in the role, but he was.

How dare you

[Ameriganastan]

We mock him now. But there was a time when Tobey was the Spider-Man. And we all liked him I bet...and he was better than Garfield at least.

[Olthar]

What's the point of the movie destroying it if it still works?

Just off the top of my head I think it adds weight and power to the action Thanos took.

Also narratively if it is was only partially destroyed then that means the Good Guys^tm can use it to reverse Thanos' action, but speculatively perhaps the Gauntlet can only do this kind of thing twice, so the second time breaks it, taking it off the table as a narrative device. Which kind of needs to happen going forward.

so, your solution is shallow plot convenience with a side of writer's cowardice? (This way, the heroes can fix everything without any real sacrifice!) No, it's far better if the gauntlet is destroyed. That makes Part 1 actually mean something.

We mock him now. But there was a time when Tobey was the Spider-Man. And we all liked him I bet...and he was better than Garfield at least.

I never liked him. Sure, he played a good Parker, but he had zero charisma as Spider-Man. I'm pretty sure that even I could have played that role better. Sure, much of the fault in Spider-Man was due to crappy writing, but Macguire wasn't doing the film any favors.

And I very much disagree with you about Garfield. It's true that his Parker sucked, but he did Spider-Man much better. And ultimately, we watch Spider-Man movies to see (shock and horror) Spider-Man.

I can forgive a poorly acted civilian identity, but I can't look past a poorly acted superhero. That's the same reason that I think Afleck was a better Batman than Bale, even if neither of them were perfect.

[Alvecia]

Just off the top of my head I think it adds weight and power to the action Thanos took.

Also narratively if it is was only partially destroyed then that means the Good Guys^tm can use it to reverse Thanos' action, but speculatively perhaps the Gauntlet can only do this kind of thing twice, so the second time breaks it, taking it off the table as a narrative device. Which kind of needs to happen going forward.

so, your solution is shallow plot convenience with a side of writer's cowardice? (This way, the heroes can fix everything without any real sacrifice!) No, it's far better if the gauntlet is destroyed. That makes Part 1 actually mean something.

Who said without sacrifice? Gamora, Loki, and possibly Vision died trying to prevent it. Not Gauntlet dead either, proper dead. We've basically got the OG Avengers remaining now, sounds like the perfect last hurrah for them.

And we already know that the effects are going to be reversed at least partially by virtue of having several films lined up for characters that got dusted. Homecoming 2, for example.

The alternative is to somehow find something that can equal the power of the Infinity Gauntlet. Not using it means you're going to have to come up with some other McGuffin or Deus ex machina to fix it. Why do that when you've already got an in universe way of doing it, that makes no narrative sense.

[Olthar]

so, your solution is shallow plot convenience with a side of writer's cowardice? (This way, the heroes can fix everything without any real sacrifice!) No, it's far better if the gauntlet is destroyed. That makes Part 1 actually mean something.

Who said without sacrifice? Gamora, Loki, and possibly Vision died trying to prevent it. Not Gauntlet dead either, proper dead. We've basically got the OG Avengers remaining now, sounds like the perfect last hurrah for them.

And we already know that the effects are going to be reversed at least partially by virtue of having several films lined up for characters that got dusted. Homecoming 2, for example.

The alternative is to somehow find something that can equal the power of the Infinity Gauntlet. Not using it means you're going to have to come up with some other McGuffin or Deus ex machina to fix it. Why do that when you've already got an in universe way of doing it, that makes no narrative sense.

Wow. It's like you didn't even read my original post at all but still felt the need to engage in angry nerd debate, regardless. Well, I'm not going to continue this nonsense.

[Alvecia]

Who said without sacrifice? Gamora, Loki, and possibly Vision died trying to prevent it. Not Gauntlet dead either, proper dead. We've basically got the OG Avengers remaining now, sounds like the perfect last hurrah for them.

And we already know that the effects are going to be reversed at least partially by virtue of having several films lined up for characters that got dusted. Homecoming 2, for example.

The alternative is to somehow find something that can equal the power of the Infinity Gauntlet. Not using it means you're going to have to come up with some other McGuffin or Deus ex machina to fix it. Why do that when you've already got an in universe way of doing it, that makes no narrative sense.

Wow. It's like you didn't even read my original post at all but still felt the need to engage in angry nerd debate, regardless. Well, I'm not going to continue this nonsense.

No need to to take that tone mister

[The Huskar Social Union]

We mock him now. But there was a time when Tobey was the Spider-Man. And we all liked him I bet...and he was better than Garfield at least.

I actually quite liked him in the role, the first two movies with him are solid.

[Tarsonis]

We mock him now. But there was a time when Tobey was the Spider-Man. And we all liked him I bet...and he was better than Garfield at least.

Once,...and then Spider-Man 3 came...

[The Huskar Social Union]

We mock him now. But there was a time when Tobey was the Spider-Man. And we all liked him I bet...and he was better than Garfield at least.

Once,...and then Spider-Man 3 came...

Before the dark times.. before the empire.

[Tarsonis]

Just off the top of my head I think it adds weight and power to the action Thanos took.

Also narratively if it is was only partially destroyed then that means the Good Guys^tm can use it to reverse Thanos' action, but speculatively perhaps the Gauntlet can only do this kind of thing twice, so the second time breaks it, taking it off the table as a narrative device. Which kind of needs to happen going forward.

so, your solution is shallow plot convenience with a side of writer's cowardice? (This way, the heroes can fix everything without any real sacrifice!) No, it's far better if the gauntlet is destroyed. That makes Part 1 actually mean something.

We mock him now. But there was a time when Tobey was the Spider-Man. And we all liked him I bet...and he was better than Garfield at least.

I never liked him. Sure, he played a good Parker, but he had zero charisma as Spider-Man. I'm pretty sure that even I could have played that role better. Sure, much of the fault in Spider-Man was due to crappy writing, but Macguire wasn't doing the film any favors.

And I very much disagree with you about Garfield. It's true that his Parker sucked, but he did Spider-Man much better. And ultimately, we watch Spider-Man movies to see (shock and horror) Spider-Man.

I can forgive a poorly acted civilian identity, but I can't look past a poorly acted superhero. That's the same reason that I think Afleck was a better Batman than Bale, even if neither of them were perfect.

Bringing everybody back doesn’t mean part 1 didn’t mean anything. Completely reverting time to the beginning the events of infinity war never happened also wouldn’t mean part 1 Didn’t mean anything. You know why? Because we still got to watch it.

[Cannot think of a name]

So, I was thinking...

For the average non-superhero/avenger, this Thanos shit was confusing as fuck. Giant donuts show up, some things exploded. As far as Joe Not From New York knows, the chitari are back. Cool, this is Avengers shit. Go to Red Cross, donate some blood, send some canned food. They just found about Wakanda, they probably have no idea a bunch of buildings just fell on it. Hell, most of them probably think it just means they're industrializing finally. So they're just kind of going about their business waiting for the Avengers to do their thing and then *poof*...half of them disappear. Evangelicals waiting for the rapture must be flipping. Thanos has brought the rapture. But if you're a 'true believer' you still just have that fifty fifty chance of being evaporated. So if you've, by your estimation, been as Christian as you can and the rapture happens and you're still on Earth which, until Captain Marvel sorts this shit out, is just going to be less crowded you're having this huge crisis of your faith. Not that it will effect the second movie, I just always tend to think of the people who have no idea what's going on when watching these huge event things.

I'm not so sure Christianity is even doing so hot in a world that found out that the Norse were right the whole time. Kinda silly to worship this "Yahweh" guy who never even talks to you when Thor literally came to Earth and personally saved your life.

Well, that is certainly true. I imagine that there's a ton of new pagans as soon as Thor joins a billionaire industrialist and a frozen WWII propaganda figure. But there are quite a few characters that adhere to it while trying to navigate the new realities. Cap I think tells Loki that there's only one god and he doesn't dress like him. Dude on AoS also expressed the same rough idea to Graviton or someone recently. In the comics Nightcrawler often grapples with his Christian faith in the comics. If you're the type of christian that believes in a very impending non-metaphoric revelations rapture you're probably going to cling to that a little longer in the face of a legit physical walking and talking Thor.

But yes, I've often thought too about what super heroes and aliens do to matters of faith (to that end, remember that Thor and the Asgardians are regarded as aliens mistaken for gods by the norse in the MCU even though they continue to refer to themselves as gods and as the more movies come out act more like gods).

In the MCU?
Maybe in the comic books (Ghost Rider comes to mind), but I don't think that they're in the movies yet.

No, but he (The Robbie Reyes version) was on Agents Of Shield for a time. And that show is canon to the MCU.

Robbie Reyes seems to have gotten his Ghost Rider from dimensional rifts, but then they were kind of playing fast and loose with that. I think they were trying to give themselves options because it really felt like Ghost Rider was the result of breaking dimensional barriers but then they have the bridge scene where they heavily imply that Johnny Blaze's Ghost Rider gave him Ghost Rider.

The first Spider-Man movie was already good.

Maybe if Toby Maguire wasn't so horrible in the role, but he was.

The stones are still on the gauntlet so if the Avengers have all the stones they'll have the gauntlet too. Unless the stones work like the Dragon Balls.

Did you miss the part where the gauntlet is destroyed?

That were just aliens worshipped as gods, I doubt that would've changed much in the world of religion. If anything they would be just pointed to 'false gods, we're still right'.

Do the people actually know that? I doubt Thor holds press conferences, so it seems like the only thing the people know is that there's this super powerful dude named Thor who can control the weather, just like the Norse god of thunder.

Yeah. But there's also a boatload of heroes and villains who get their powers from Hell. Which means there's probably a Heaven somewhere in that universe.

I'm not talking about what actually exists or who is actually right. I'm talking about what the people know, and they have no way of knowing whether or not Christianity is right, but they do know that Norse gods exist.

I would imagine that The Avengers do, and I imagine that at some point someone went, "Wait, so...Thor is part of your team? And Loki was the one responsible for the Chatari invasion? Like, Thor and Loki from Norse mythology? Does that mean that the Norse religion was the right one?" And while there are certainly a lot of people who would go "Well that settles that" there is also certainly enough people who would feel it's a test of their faith. Who would then feel validated and then disappointed when as far as the can tell the rapture happens.

[HC Eredivisie]

Like, how destroyed tho? It looked pretty battered for sure, but completely non-functional? I suspect not.

What's the point of the movie destroying it if it still works?

It was still in one piece with all the stones on it so it wasn't destroyed, just battered. Even if it were gone, we saw Giant Space Dwarf still had a mould and he probably could make another.

We mock him now. But there was a time when Tobey was the Spider-Man. And we all liked him I bet...and he was better than Garfield at least.

Once,...and then Spider-Man 3 came...

All I wanted was a nice Spider-Man movie with Venom

[New haven america]

Gosh, Spiderman: Homecoming is a good film, isn't it?

It sure is. It may have taken six attempts, but we finally got a Spider-Man movie that's actually good.

That's nice Olthar.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Best Anime.

[Cannot think of a name]

Best Anime.

Finding out that Ralph Bakshi was involved with the early Spiderman cartoons made that whole block of marvel cartoons make way more sense.

[Ameriganastan]

It sure is. It may have taken six attempts, but we finally got a Spider-Man movie that's actually good.

That's nice Olthar.

Hey, that's my thing...