MCU/Superhero Discussion Thread

[The first Galactic Republic]

Saw Captain Marvel last night. It was a resounding... meh. I had high expectations for it too. This could have been for her character what the first Iron Man movie was to him. They were both originally B tier heroes at best. They’d both just come out of shitty civil war arcs where they were straight up fascists. They both have a deceptively long history.

The movie was just too formulaic. I’d rate it far below the likes of Black Panther or Iron Man 1. It’s more like Captain America 1 or Dr. Strange. The movie is like something out of the mid 2000’s. It’s just too much of a bog standard superhero movie by modern standards.

Brie Larson is wooden, though I feel it’s because of how she was directed. She’s certainly talented in other movies. Samuel Jackson was decent, and the CGI to make him younger was very well done. I actually thought Lashana Lynch, who played Carol’s fellow pilot friend, gave an incredible performance, and her expressiveness really shows how much better Brie Larson could have been whenever they’re in the same scene together. The scene where she talks about the years she spent not even knowing where Carol Danvers went was genuinely emotional to me. Maybe she should have been Captain Marvel.

The effects are well done, and I maintain Captain Marvel’s costume is badass.

The plot is boring. It’s sci-fi writing at its worst. We’re given little reason to care about almost anything happening. It’s just mindless lightshows with meaningless names thrown around. The Skrull twist was at least a little interesting. Maybe it would have even better if there was more worldbuilding on the Kree. Maybe try to establish them to the audience as a benevolent policing force. I also wish we could have seen more of Carol Danvers in her normal life. Turn those training scenes into actual scenes. Maybe have her really emotive back then to show how much the Kree changed her.

Captain Marvel is OP, and her fights are uninteresting. I seriously hope she has more to do in Infinity War than just punch and blast. Most of the other heroes outwitted their foes at the end of their movies, but not here. Captain Marvel goes from blasting ships to roflstomping one guy in about a minute, and bam! Conflict over!

[Forsher]

Re: SJWism...

Honestly, it's really not very noticeable in Captain Marvel... and for some of the critics who compared it to Wonder Woman I think this understatement is a problem.

Most of what was there was kind of like that "cockpit" line or throwaway with the reference to not flying combat missions... and some of it was undermined, e.g. on the racing track where she's told to slow down, doesn't and then immediately crashes... making what looks like another cockpit moment seem a specific comment about her. It's not like, for example, Black Panther where the social commentary is part of the fabric of the film; they're just further aspects of Carol's flashback scenes (or that motorbike dude).

The film draws way more attention to Carol's clothes than it does the advertised social messaging.

[Cannot think of a name]

Re: SJWism...

Honestly, it's really not very noticeable in Captain Marvel... and for some of the critics who compared it to Wonder Woman I think this understatement is a problem.

Most of what was there was kind of like that "cockpit" line or throwaway with the reference to not flying combat missions... and some of it was undermined, e.g. on the racing track where she's told to slow down, doesn't and then immediately crashes... making what looks like another cockpit moment seem a specific comment about her. It's not like, for example, Black Panther where the social commentary is part of the fabric of the film; they're just further aspects of Carol's flashback scenes (or that motorbike dude).

The film draws way more attention to Carol's clothes than it does the advertised social messaging.

I was literally just thinking the same thing. With all the hemming and hawing I was expecting the Thelma and Louise of super hero movies, but unlike Wonder Woman where it was a rebuke of the 'world of men' that needed the assistance of Wonder Woman (which in context made sense) there was more of a theme of Carol being told to stay down and only a few of those instances had anything to do with her being a woman.

Okay, a very, very minor technical note that will only bother me and a very select few others...those racing carts where way the fuck off. I raced karts during the time she would have raced karts, they don't look that different then then they do now:


Those are recreational karts she's racing, she belongs in them as much as anyone. Well, that's true of racing karts but also the girls that raced when I raced were fucking formidable. One of the only people that could challenge my brother was a girl. But also, we were little boys in the 80s, we were sexist about shit.

Women weren't allowed to be fighter pilots until 1994, that cockpit joke was made with straight faces. Women get told to smile. I get told to smile and it's fucking annoying and I'm a dude.

The most girl power moment wasn't even presented as girl power but rather just power power, it just so happens to be in a context that women and girls might relate to, but the idea that she was being pressured to define her worth in Jude Law's character's terms. That wasn't about her being a girl, that was about her being more powerful than they were willing to let her be because otherwise she'd realize that she didn't need them, they needed her. They took a girl power message and made it universal while still acknowledging baseline issues of sexism.

Fury didn't kid glove her because she was a woman, as soon as he realized she could shoot shit out of her hands that was it. Jude Law wasn't holding her back because she was a woman, but because she was clearly more powerful than they could handle. Still weirded out about the Power Cosmic thing.

The far more heavy handed political message was about imperialism, which was way more heavy handed in Black Panther since the participants were real world. I would have preferred a little more grey area with the Skrulls, but whatever.

For all the handwringing about SJWness it was no more that than a sitcom episode. This whole thing has been sound and fury signifying nothing.

[Forsher]

The far more heavy handed political message was about imperialism, which was way more heavy handed in Black Panther since the participants were real world. I would have preferred a little more grey area with the Skrulls, but whatever.

For all the handwringing about SJWness it was no more that than a sitcom episode. This whole thing has been sound and fury signifying nothing.

With the Skrulls, I've been seeing lots of people suggest the one from the train got away. Four landed, right? There's Skrull!Coulson who dies, Talos who lives and Science Guy who kicks it at the end... so what happened to Train!Skrull?Further to that people have pointed out that Train!Skrull is more attack first than the others. The suggestion is that Train!Skrull is in the film to say that Talos isn't necessarily telling the entire truth or, at least, that there are also more insidious Skrulls out there.

I have also seen people suggest that Talos' daughter is Veranke and that her seeing Talos get shot and/or seeing a Kree get killed (I don't remember this second bit myself but presumably it happened just after Talos gets shot) is the start of a radicalisation process. That is, the Skrulls will become greyer in a future "episode".

This does beg the question of what we want CM2 to be... another prequel story explaining what happens between CM and Endgame? Or do we want it to take place after Endgame? Frankly, the film seems to leave a lot of unresolved stuff so I want a midquel. Ronan acts like a sequel hook, Yon-Rogg (sp?) is still alive, Korath isn't really in the same fold as Ronan yet, the Skrulls haven't found another homeworld yet (and also everyone seems to love Talos/his actor), "only for emergencies" is such an unsatisfying explanation* for the pager's limited use and why have Monica Rambeau if you're not going to do anything with her too?

With the way they promoted CM and/or incorporated the "SJWness"... cynically, it was a marketing ploy that they were confident people would forget about once the movie came out. The unwillingness to dive into the conceptual framework of gender disadvantage as wholeheartedly as they did with Killmonger is possibly related to the reception the late Bendis era comics got from many readers, the clear maleness of the creative background of these films and also that Killmonger was the bad guy... which is a big emotional distance thing... whereas Carol's the hero. You can make movies which appeal to more demographics but can't do that if you're also going to alienate your existing audience. That's bad business.



*Compare Crimes of Grindelwald where a nice new concept was introduced to strengthen the known canon sequence of events, i.e. that Dumbledore waited forever to fight Grindelwald.

[Cannot think of a name]

The far more heavy handed political message was about imperialism, which was way more heavy handed in Black Panther since the participants were real world. I would have preferred a little more grey area with the Skrulls, but whatever.

For all the handwringing about SJWness it was no more that than a sitcom episode. This whole thing has been sound and fury signifying nothing.

With the Skrulls, I've been seeing lots of people suggest the one from the train got away. Four landed, right? There's Skrull!Coulson who dies, Talos who lives and Science Guy who kicks it at the end... so what happened to Train!Skrull?Further to that people have pointed out that Train!Skrull is more attack first than the others. The suggestion is that Train!Skrull is in the film to say that Talos isn't necessarily telling the entire truth or, at least, that there are also more insidious Skrulls out there.

I have also seen people suggest that Talos' daughter is Veranke and that her seeing Talos get shot and/or seeing a Kree get killed (I don't remember this second bit myself but presumably it happened just after Talos gets shot) is the start of a radicalisation process. That is, the Skrulls will become greyer in a future "episode".

This does beg the question of what we want CM2 to be... another prequel story explaining what happens between CM and Endgame? Or do we want it to take place after Endgame? Frankly, the film seems to leave a lot of unresolved stuff so I want a midquel. Ronan acts like a sequel hook, Yon-Rogg (sp?) is still alive, Korath isn't really in the same fold as Ronan yet, the Skrulls haven't found another homeworld yet (and also everyone seems to love Talos/his actor), "only for emergencies" is such an unsatisfying explanation* for the pager's limited use and why have Monica Rambeau if you're not going to do anything with her too?

With the way they promoted CM and/or incorporated the "SJWness"... cynically, it was a marketing ploy that they were confident people would forget about once the movie came out. The unwillingness to dive into the conceptual framework of gender disadvantage as wholeheartedly as they did with Killmonger is possibly related to the reception the late Bendis era comics got from many readers, the clear maleness of the creative background of these films and also that Killmonger was the bad guy... which is a big emotional distance thing... whereas Carol's the hero. You can make movies which appeal to more demographics but can't do that if you're also going to alienate your existing audience. That's bad business.



*Compare Crimes of Grindelwald where a nice new concept was introduced to strengthen the known canon sequence of events, i.e. that Dumbledore waited forever to fight Grindelwald.

I'll have to watch it again to get the Skrull shell game. I'm no familiar enough with the Captain Marvel canon to know where they go from here, plus whatever she says in Endgame.

I don't think the marketing was particularly heavy handed or cynical, really. Or a 'marketing ploy' any more than Marvel had caught some shit for not having a female lead and that alone made CM unique. The whole 'alienating your existing audience' thing is honestly just more of that toxic fan bullshit. I think they did a good job, the so-called 'SJW'ness of the movie was so minor that people complaining about it look fucking ridiculous.

I'm not a Harry Potter person, so I have no idea what the whole Grindelwald thing is, except that I seem to remember fans hating it so I don't know why it's being used as a counter example.

[Forsher]

With the Skrulls, I've been seeing lots of people suggest the one from the train got away. Four landed, right? There's Skrull!Coulson who dies, Talos who lives and Science Guy who kicks it at the end... so what happened to Train!Skrull?Further to that people have pointed out that Train!Skrull is more attack first than the others. The suggestion is that Train!Skrull is in the film to say that Talos isn't necessarily telling the entire truth or, at least, that there are also more insidious Skrulls out there.

I have also seen people suggest that Talos' daughter is Veranke and that her seeing Talos get shot and/or seeing a Kree get killed (I don't remember this second bit myself but presumably it happened just after Talos gets shot) is the start of a radicalisation process. That is, the Skrulls will become greyer in a future "episode".

This does beg the question of what we want CM2 to be... another prequel story explaining what happens between CM and Endgame? Or do we want it to take place after Endgame? Frankly, the film seems to leave a lot of unresolved stuff so I want a midquel. Ronan acts like a sequel hook, Yon-Rogg (sp?) is still alive, Korath isn't really in the same fold as Ronan yet, the Skrulls haven't found another homeworld yet (and also everyone seems to love Talos/his actor), "only for emergencies" is such an unsatisfying explanation* for the pager's limited use and why have Monica Rambeau if you're not going to do anything with her too?

With the way they promoted CM and/or incorporated the "SJWness"... cynically, it was a marketing ploy that they were confident people would forget about once the movie came out. The unwillingness to dive into the conceptual framework of gender disadvantage as wholeheartedly as they did with Killmonger is possibly related to the reception the late Bendis era comics got from many readers, the clear maleness of the creative background of these films and also that Killmonger was the bad guy... which is a big emotional distance thing... whereas Carol's the hero. You can make movies which appeal to more demographics but can't do that if you're also going to alienate your existing audience. That's bad business.



*Compare Crimes of Grindelwald where a nice new concept was introduced to strengthen the known canon sequence of events, i.e. that Dumbledore waited forever to fight Grindelwald.

I'll have to watch it again to get the Skrull shell game. I'm no familiar enough with the Captain Marvel canon to know where they go from here, plus whatever she says in Endgame.

I don't think the marketing was particularly heavy handed or cynical, really. Or a 'marketing ploy' any more than Marvel had caught some shit for not having a female lead and that alone made CM unique. The whole 'alienating your existing audience' thing is honestly just more of that toxic fan bullshit. I think they did a good job, the so-called 'SJW'ness of the movie was so minor that people complaining about it look fucking ridiculous.

I'm not a Harry Potter person, so I have no idea what the whole Grindelwald thing is, except that I seem to remember fans hating it so I don't know why it's being used as a counter example.

To be honest, I'm not 100% that we didn't see what happened to Train!Skrull either... it's a point I'm repeating not one I came up with myself.

Marketing is probably the wrong word. And now you mention it, I suppose mostly it was a series of hot takes made by randoms on Youtube and/or Reddit that created the narrative that CM was a "SJW" film. Certainly, I think the trailers create an entirely fair... actually very accurate... impression of the movie and they've got only the slightest signs of gender politics. (And most of that is noticing that "her" and "hero" have almost all the same letters in the same order.)

With Crimes of Grindelwald.

The movie itself has been criticised for its flaws as a movie in the sense that the kind of story it tells isn't that appropriate for the medium. It's also been criticised for the title because Grindelwald's crimes aren't the focus of the film and, in fact, the film really ought to be called the Fantastic Beasts and the Credence Revival. I don't think people have been disappointed with the blood pact, although that may be because I personally think it's a really cool idea.

Basically, Grindelwald and Dumbledore were the two most powerful wizards in the first half of the 20th Century but one was evil and the other wasn't. Yet, the good one spent years just letting the evil one get away with things. Then when Book 7 came out where it was revealed the good and evil wizards had been besties as teens and that there was some confusion about which of them (and also the good one's brother) killed the good one's sister in a brawl plus Rowling said that Dumbledore was gay so everyone thought, "Ah, so that's why Dumbledore didn't act". But then fans thought about it and found this a somewhat unsatisfactory explanation, probably since Dumbledore was clearly using agents to combat Grindelwald. At which point we meet the Blood Pact, which gives a physical magical reason to prevent a direct fight. And it's an idea which contains elements of both horcruxes and the Unbreakable Vow seen in the books.

But the main point is (since possibly you're correct about the reception) that

a question was begged and a very natural answer was supplied but Marvel/Disney haven't really done that with the pager... pretty much all the explanations that existed before CM was released are unchanged and none of them were convincing or particularly interesting.

[Hirota]

Thanks Forsher and Cannot think of a name.

I can certainly believe the whole circus about Captain Marvel is a storm in a teacup. It's all very predictable that one party gets outraged and another party gets outraged and their outrage and nobody really remembers why anyone got outraged in the first place. It's human nature to want to fit in, and tribalism plays into that.

I'm also glad you two confirmed that the politics in the film have been exaggerated. It wouldn't have put me off watching and making up my own mind because it's marvel (unlike ghostbusters where my missus watched it on her own and said it was pretty awful, to the point where she couldn't finish it - that put me off watching it). I'm not expecting the greatest marvel film of all time, I never was, and I think you two along with The first Galactic Republic have confirmed to me that it's going to be a fun flick to watch as a build up to the main event at the end of April...but perhaps a disappointing start for the new heroes we ought to see pop up to fill the Avengers shoes after Endgame.

[New haven america]

My main problem is that Disney's making a movie off of one of their more boring characters, which is a really bad way to introduce their first female lead hero and their movie. Marvel has a lot of good and fun female characters, but since most of them are with the X-Men/Fantastic 4 Disney can't actually do anything with them. Dr. Strange also had this problem, because as the first magical character* he's not really that good unless he's interacting with others, specifically his Beard Bro.

*Scarlet was introduced before him

[The Huskar Social Union]

I had a pretty much non existent view on Captain Marvel prior to the movie because i knew fuck all about her, but i liked her in this. Dont know how different or similar she is to her comic counter part though or what story they are taking from the most for her.

[Cannot think of a name]

My main problem is that Disney's making a movie off of one of their more boring characters, which is a really bad way to introduce their first female lead hero and their movie. Marvel has a lot of good and fun female characters, but since most of them are with the X-Men/Fantastic 4 Disney can't actually do anything with them. Dr. Strange also had this problem, because as the first magical character* he's not really that good unless he's interacting with others, specifically his Beard Bro.

*Scarlet was introduced before him

Making this complaint these deep into the MCU seems so empty to me. First of all, the entire MCU is made up of the left overs, the rights that they couldn't give away. We're already two Ant-Man movies in for crying out loud. Who were they going to introduce? Squirrel Girl? She-Hulk? Most of Marvel's female characters are members of teams, not marque characters on their own. Of those, Captain Marvel was far and away the most prominent. It made total sense for her to get a movie at this point in the MCU. There's nothing forced about it, this is where we are in the bucket of MCU characters. C'mon, the next new characters we're getting are the fucking Eternals. And that's after they duffed it with the Inhumans. Remember how there's a whole race of super beings hiding out on Earth after their moon base was destroyed? No? Marvel probably doesn't want you to either.

[Tarsonis]

My main problem is that Disney's making a movie off of one of their more boring characters, which is a really bad way to introduce their first female lead hero and their movie. Marvel has a lot of good and fun female characters, but since most of them are with the X-Men/Fantastic 4 Disney can't actually do anything with them. Dr. Strange also had this problem, because as the first magical character* he's not really that good unless he's interacting with others, specifically his Beard Bro.

*Scarlet was introduced before him

Making this complaint these deep into the MCU seems so empty to me. First of all, the entire MCU is made up of the left overs, the rights that they couldn't give away. We're already two Ant-Man movies in for crying out loud. Who were they going to introduce? Squirrel Girl? She-Hulk? Most of Marvel's female characters are members of teams, not marque characters on their own. Of those, Captain Marvel was far and away the most prominent. It made total sense for her to get a movie at this point in the MCU. There's nothing forced about it, this is where we are in the bucket of MCU characters. C'mon, the next new characters we're getting are the fucking Eternals. And that's after they duffed it with the Inhumans. Remember how there's a whole race of super beings hiding out on Earth after their moon base was destroyed? No? Marvel probably doesn't want you to either.

This begs the question, who are the marque characters of Marvel? I mean, apparently even Iron Man was a B-lister before the MCU

[Cannot think of a name]

Making this complaint these deep into the MCU seems so empty to me. First of all, the entire MCU is made up of the left overs, the rights that they couldn't give away. We're already two Ant-Man movies in for crying out loud. Who were they going to introduce? Squirrel Girl? She-Hulk? Most of Marvel's female characters are members of teams, not marque characters on their own. Of those, Captain Marvel was far and away the most prominent. It made total sense for her to get a movie at this point in the MCU. There's nothing forced about it, this is where we are in the bucket of MCU characters. C'mon, the next new characters we're getting are the fucking Eternals. And that's after they duffed it with the Inhumans. Remember how there's a whole race of super beings hiding out on Earth after their moon base was destroyed? No? Marvel probably doesn't want you to either.

This begs the question, who are the marque characters of Marvel? I mean, apparently even Iron Man was a B-lister before the MCU

Spider-man, the X-Men, Fantastic Four (seems silly after two lackluster attempts), Punisher I guess...I've always felt Captain America was one, he's had three attempts at a franchise by now. There was a really bad 80s version (filmed in my hometown), a completely forgettable 90s one (all I remember is that the shield was very rubbery) and Chris Evans. I think that's why he was harder to sell even if he was recognizable. Studios probably decided the character was unsellable because everyone sucked at it.

Personally I thought Iron Man was a no-brainer, but Variety and Hollywood Reporter and others wrung their hands the same way people, ten years and over 20 films later of introducing characters like the Guardians of the Galaxy, are doing with Captain Marvel, so here we are. I was a Make Mine Marvel cat from an early age, so to me all Marvel characters are stand outs. So of course we got two Ghost Rider movies and one TV appearance.

Marvel, while popular with comic book nerds, never had the cultural penetration of DC's golden age characters. They're having to pus characters into the mainstream that were created in the 60s versus characters that started comics as we know them that came out in the 30s.

[Tarsonis]

This begs the question, who are the marque characters of Marvel? I mean, apparently even Iron Man was a B-lister before the MCU

Spider-man, the X-Men, Fantastic Four (seems silly after two lackluster attempts), Punisher I guess...I've always felt Captain America was one, he's had three attempts at a franchise by now. There was a really bad 80s version (filmed in my hometown), a completely forgettable 90s one (all I remember is that the shield was very rubbery) and Chris Evans. I think that's why he was harder to sell even if he was recognizable. Studios probably decided the character was unsellable because everyone sucked at it.

Personally I thought Iron Man was a no-brainer, but Variety and Hollywood Reporter and others wrung their hands the same way people, ten years and over 20 films later of introducing characters like the Guardians of the Galaxy, are doing with Captain Marvel, so here we are. I was a Make Mine Marvel cat from an early age, so to me all Marvel characters are stand outs. So of course we got two Ghost Rider movies and one TV appearance.

Marvel, while popular with comic book nerds, never had the cultural penetration of DC's golden age characters. They're having to pus characters into the mainstream that were created in the 60s versus characters that started comics as we know them that came out in the 30s.

Much as I thought Captain Marvel was passable, Iron Man was definitely a superior movie. Listening to all the sides on the issue, I think theres some fair criticism coming out of the "Hate it" group. Sure theres the "boo women and sjw" crowd that's just always angry, and we can debate about politics in film, or whether we should separate actors from their roles or not.

But the "Why now" argument I found pretty resonant with among the fanbase. We've had 10 years of growing with all these characters and learning about them and why they're regarded as heroes. We like these characters. And then suddenly here at the end Captain Marvel is introduced, were told she's a hero, and it appears they're setting it up for her to defeat Thanos.
1. I'm wondering wheres Adam in this, the one who who actually does defeat Thanos in the comics, and was hinted at in Guardians 2.
But more importantly 2. That just doesn't feel earned. The Avengers we know have earned the right to overcome Thanos. With the introduction Captain Marvel, in a lot of ways feels like it's being stolen from them.

Now, I think we might be over speculating about her, as it's not really clear what role she's going to serve in Endgame. She might only exist to save Tony for all we know. So I have a wait and see attitude about it. But, I think it's a fair criticism that introducing Captain Marvel at this point of the MCU feels forced and unnecessary.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

I'd bet my life Captain Marvel isn't the one to defeat Thanos. I've honestly no idea how anyone could seriously expect that to happen.

Maybe that opinion will change once I've seen the film, but I doubt it.

[The first Galactic Republic]

I'd bet my life Captain Marvel isn't the one to defeat Thanos. I've honestly no idea how anyone could seriously expect that to happen.

Maybe that opinion will change once I've seen the film, but I doubt it.

How could she defeat Thanos? She only targets white males, and Thanos is purple. /s

[Cannot think of a name]

I'd bet my life Captain Marvel isn't the one to defeat Thanos. I've honestly no idea how anyone could seriously expect that to happen.

Maybe that opinion will change once I've seen the film, but I doubt it.

Well, the one way I could see that happening is

she has the Power Cosmic by gaining her powers through the Space Stone. I so far seem to be the only one calling it the Power Cosmic, so maybe I'm off base, but at the very least her power comes form the Space Stone like Vision and Scarlet Witch got their power from the Mind Stone. This meant that Wanda was particularly suited to destroy the Mind Stone and similarly I think Danvers' connection to the Space Stone will be key. Will Marvel Studios make the same mistake as DC did with Justice League and have the entire conflict be about how to get their big brother Superman to take care of the problem for them? God I hope not. But everything is pointing to the one or more of the heroes with contracts coming to an end making the key move/sacrifice and CM just putting a button on it. Look to Vision in Age of Ultron. It really was the Avengers who beat Ultron, when Vision went to meet him in the woods outside Sekovia Ultron was a fucking mess. Vision went to convince Ultron to cool his tits, but Ultrons tits would not be cooled and so he finished him but that could have been The Hulk or even Hawkeye when it gets right down to it. I imagine her role, aside from being added muscle (after all, how much can a new plan make a difference when we already had a whole movie where Thanos basically walked through everyone? The added firepower making a difference just makes sense) as being a button on things.

And that goes to the other post too about her 'earning' the right to be in the MCU at this point. I think that answers that rather made up concern as well, since heroes have been introduced just in time to make a difference in a battle since the MCU has been around.

[HC Eredivisie]

I'd bet my life Captain Marvel isn't the one to defeat Thanos. I've honestly no idea how anyone could seriously expect that to happen.

Maybe that opinion will change once I've seen the film, but I doubt it.

How could she defeat Thanos? She only targets white males, and Thanos is purple. /s

Not targetting him would be racist, I guess. Like, making an exemption on the basis of his skin colour and she did it an old lady as to not be sexist.

I haven't seen the movie yet so I'm scrolling through this thread going LALALALALALLA.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I'd bet my life Captain Marvel isn't the one to defeat Thanos. I've honestly no idea how anyone could seriously expect that to happen.

Maybe that opinion will change once I've seen the film, but I doubt it.

How could she defeat Thanos? She only targets white males, and Thanos is purple. /s

Man you wouldnt believe it, when i went to watch the movie brie larson showed up with a group of feminists and began attacking all the straight white males including me. Pinned in my seat in horror by a giant angry woman with purple hair i watched Larson throw this poor innocent straight white male down the stairs past the rows onto the ground. I will forever remember his screams as he cracked his skull followed by the yell "FUCKING WHITE MALES UP IN THIS BITCH!"

[The Huskar Social Union]

How could she defeat Thanos? She only targets white males, and Thanos is purple. /s

Not targetting him would be racist, I guess. Like, making an exemption on the basis of his skin colour and she did it an old lady as to not be sexist.

I haven't seen the movie yet so I'm scrolling through this thread going LALALALALALLA.

Its a perfectly fine run of the mill MCU movie, nothing special, definitely does not deserve the hate it gets thrown at it.

[New haven america]

Making this complaint these deep into the MCU seems so empty to me. First of all, the entire MCU is made up of the left overs, the rights that they couldn't give away. We're already two Ant-Man movies in for crying out loud. Who were they going to introduce? Squirrel Girl? She-Hulk? Most of Marvel's female characters are members of teams, not marque characters on their own. Of those, Captain Marvel was far and away the most prominent. It made total sense for her to get a movie at this point in the MCU. There's nothing forced about it, this is where we are in the bucket of MCU characters. C'mon, the next new characters we're getting are the fucking Eternals. And that's after they duffed it with the Inhumans. Remember how there's a whole race of super beings hiding out on Earth after their moon base was destroyed? No? Marvel probably doesn't want you to either.

This begs the question, who are the marque characters of Marvel? I mean, apparently even Iron Man was a B-lister before the MCU

Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic 4, Hulk, Captain America when he's not being used as a propaganda tool, etc...

[New haven america]

My main problem is that Disney's making a movie off of one of their more boring characters, which is a really bad way to introduce their first female lead hero and their movie. Marvel has a lot of good and fun female characters, but since most of them are with the X-Men/Fantastic 4 Disney can't actually do anything with them. Dr. Strange also had this problem, because as the first magical character* he's not really that good unless he's interacting with others, specifically his Beard Bro.

*Scarlet was introduced before him

Squirrel Girl?

Now you're getting it.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I will say though that seriously some fucker face planted when i was watching captain marvel. No clue what happened, was talking to my brother before the trailers came on i just heard this loud cracking noise and turned and this fucker is lying face down at the bottom of the steps then gets up and runs out.

[Yusseria]

I'd bet my life Captain Marvel isn't the one to defeat Thanos. I've honestly no idea how anyone could seriously expect that to happen.

Maybe that opinion will change once I've seen the film, but I doubt it.

Because Kevin Feige has said she's more powerful than Thanos, so many came to the natural conclusion that she'd be the one to beat him.

[Andsed]

I'd bet my life Captain Marvel isn't the one to defeat Thanos. I've honestly no idea how anyone could seriously expect that to happen.

Maybe that opinion will change once I've seen the film, but I doubt it.

Because Kevin Feige has said she's more powerful than Thanos, so many came to the natural conclusion that she'd be the one to beat him.

I am a bit concerned about how this might be executed. If captain Marvel just comes in and beats Thanos then I feel like that will be very anti climatic to the struggles of all the other heroes so far.

[Yusseria]

Because Kevin Feige has said she's more powerful than Thanos, so many came to the natural conclusion that she'd be the one to beat him.

I am a bit concerned about how this might be executed. If captain Marvel just comes in and beats Thanos then I feel like that will be very anti climatic to the struggles of all the other heroes so far.

That's kind of what many are worried about. Someone who's been in none of the previous MCU films suddenly swooping in and beating Thanos would honestly suck.