MCU/Superhero Discussion Thread

[Liriena]

Asides from the normal preemptive outrage at how a blockbuster movie with a female lead is "SJW feminist propaganda", Brie Larson made some comments several weeks ago about the need for more diversity in entertainment journalism, which malicious grifters and idiots misrepresented as "Brie Larson hates white men and doesn't want them to watch Captain Marvel".

And then another bunch of malicious grifters and idiots, partially out of some sense of tribalism, decide in response that it's the best movie ever.

There has been brigading on both sides, by idiots of all stripes.

While there's definitely an argument to be made about a "positive" brigading on IMDB with the rather high number of 10/10s, its scale is nothing compared to the constant avalanche of insane vitriol that has been coming from the "anti-SJW" side of the internet.

I have seen very few people come out in the movie's defense by proclaiming it to be some sort of feminist masterpiece. Its biggest proponents, as far as I can tell, are Marvel fans. But the dozens upon dozens of weekly videos, the hundreds of comments, the review-bombing that reached its zenith on Rotten Tomatoes with over 54 thousand purged ratings... all because Brie Larson "hates white men".

[Liriena]

And then another bunch of malicious grifters and idiots, partially out of some sense of tribalism, decide in response that it's the best movie ever.

There has been brigading on both sides, by idiots of all stripes.

So the normal basic partisan political bullshit? Can´t say I´m surprised.

I wouldn't take Hirota's "both sides are bad" shtick here without a huge grain of salt, though. As I said in my response to them, while you could definitely argue for some amount of "feminist" brigading taking place on IMDB, or bring up that some film critics took notice of the vitriol being preemptively thrown against the movie in their reviews, the scale and intensity of it is nowhere near equivalent to the preemptive backlash this movie and Brie Larson got.

In this particular case, "both sides bad" is a fine example of misleading, mealy-mouthed "centrism" that ultimately favors the reactionary position.

[Liriena]

I can kinda get why some people are annoyed by the twist with Fury's eye loss... but I personally dig it, even if it kinda makes that one scene in The Winter Soldier funny in hindsight.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I dont agree with using Stan Lee's twitter and social media to promote stuff after his death.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Oh and what a fucking creep

[Cannot think of a name]

So the normal basic partisan political bullshit? Can´t say I´m surprised.

I wouldn't take Hirota's "both sides are bad" shtick here without a huge grain of salt, though. As I said in my response to them, while you could definitely argue for some amount of "feminist" brigading taking place on IMDB, or bring up that some film critics took notice of the vitriol being preemptively thrown against the movie in their reviews, the scale and intensity of it is nowhere near equivalent to the preemptive backlash this movie and Brie Larson got.

In this particular case, "both sides bad" is a fine example of misleading, mealy-mouthed "centrism" that ultimately favors the reactionary position.

Endorsed.

And now...

Things that sort of bug me but in no way torpedo the movie:

The Skrull ship shows up in orbit and then explodes. The Kree ship shows up and drops folk. The fucking Accusers show up and drop bombs which Captain Marvel blows the fuck up. Like, a lot of people saw that. Lots and lots of people saw aaaaaalllllll of that.

Which, on one end, fine. It's also a world that had a Captain America during WWII. People just kind of accept that. There isn't much reason in the other movies for people to go, "What was the deal with that bullshit in the skies during the 90s?" Except in terms of the Chitari invasion. Like, Stark has to believe that whole thing is mass hysteria to be shaken to his chore after the invasion. But this is what sticks with me during any event in a movie that has huge sky effects.

Also, why doesn't a Kree soldier know that Earth is a no contact planet? Why isn't that at least part of the briefing going towards it? Like, "We're going to C-53, it's a no contact planet. They don't know who we are, they're centuries behind us in technology." She sorted that out after the requisite bits but...eh. Not huge, just...how are the Kree organized, man.

AND...

So, she gets her powers from the Space Stone exploding all over her. Does that mean she has the Power Cosmic? That does sort of support her being the most powerful character in the MCU (well, unless Ego isn't really dead or we're talking about the chore universe and not places like the Dark Universe where Dormommu is) because in the comics the Power Cosmic is the shit. That sort of dampers the eventual emergence of Silver Surfer. Or not. But that fact that she embodies the power of the the Space Stone certainly leans on how she's important to Endgame.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Oh and what a fucking creep

I think that was a satire account. The posts are ridiculously outlandish.

[Liriena]

I dont agree with using Stan Lee's twitter and social media to promote stuff after his death.

Yeah, not a good look.

[Liriena]

Oh and what a fucking creep

Please be a troll...

[Tarsonis]

Gotta say, releasing it on IWD was a masterful stroke

[Cannot think of a name]

Just occurred to me, got a Dark Phoenix trailer, a Spider-man trailer...even a Hobbs and whosits trailer from "Fast and Furious Presents"...not a Endgame trailer.

I guess they figured that end credits was enough.

Also, speaking of tags. That Marvel Studios logo opening...

I'm not crying, you're crying

Regarding the cameo

By having Stan the Man rehearsing Stan's cameo lines in Mallrats it means that he, for the first time, cameo'd as himself in his own universe unambiguously. His first live action cameo after his death was as himself in the world he created. The feels. THE FEEEEEEELS...

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Oh and what a fucking creep

Please be a troll...

Okay, this is epic lol

[The Huskar Social Union]

Oh and what a fucking creep

I think that was a satire account. The posts are ridiculously outlandish.

I found the actual twitter profile, doesnt seem like it.


Or that man is in the for the very very long con

[Pasong Tirad]

Really loved the movie. Went in there expecting it would be like Ant-Man level fun-but-basically-a-pretty-alright-superhero-flick, went out getting my expectations blown out.

God bless you, Stan Lee.

Also, Brie Larson can step on my neck or break my spine any day.

[The first Galactic Republic]

I think that was a satire account. The posts are ridiculously outlandish.

I found the actual twitter profile, doesnt seem like it.


Or that man is in the for the very very long con

I think he’s from a podcast, and I think it’s straight faced satire.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I found the actual twitter profile, doesnt seem like it.


Or that man is in the for the very very long con

I think he’s from a podcast, and I think it’s straight faced satire.

Hmmm, okay yeah i guess he could be.

[Forsher]

So we watched this a lot earlier than usual (relative to release date) because I expect to be very busy when we'd normally watch it (i.e. in a few weeks).

Pretty much played out as I expected. The Kree are depicted as the bad guys, the Skrulls are good guys... it's not even a shades of grey thing... but I'm pretty sure I got this impression from a trailer breakdown video (Mr Sunday Movies?). The trailers obviously suggested that the origin story parts would play out as memory snippets and also that the film would be relatively more serious. That's not to say the movie isn't funny but it is to say that it's more Black Panther than Ragnarok.

I would put it just below Black Panther in terms of quality too, i.e. average. I saw a thread on Reddit that ran "Imagine thinking CM is a top 15 movie" and that's just absurd. Imagine thinking it's not threatening to break into the top half (or just has its foot in the door). Maybe the start of the film completely sucks because we managed to miss the first few minutes... but based on various wikis it seems pretty much the same as the rest.

That being said, I wasn't actually expecting a proper Mar-vell character after theories decided Jude Law wasn't Mar-Vell.

[Vassenor]

I find it funny all the people who say they're going to go and watch Alita instead to "teach SJW Disney a lesson". Given that Alita's actual plot is even more SJW-y than CM's, and Disney will own it soon too.

Such a self-own right there.

[Tarsonis]

I find it funny all the people who say they're going to go and watch Alita instead to "teach SJW Disney a lesson". Given that Alita's actual plot is even more SJW-y than CM's, and Disney will own it soon too.

Such a self-own right there.

You’re gonna have to make a case for that one, cause the “sjw” critics have been lambasting alita

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

At this point, I want to see Alita, not for its own sake, but to get a look into the heads of the people who contrast her with bad SJW Disney women.

[Vassenor]

I find it funny all the people who say they're going to go and watch Alita instead to "teach SJW Disney a lesson". Given that Alita's actual plot is even more SJW-y than CM's, and Disney will own it soon too.

Such a self-own right there.

You’re gonna have to make a case for that one, cause the “sjw” critics have been lambasting alita

A plot that is literally "poor oppressed minorities take on the White 1%", for one.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Isnt mahershala ali the bad guy in that movie?

At this point, I want to see Alita, not for its own sake, but to get a look into the heads of the people who contrast her with bad SJW Disney women.

Anime weapon waifu vs bad woman who says bad things

[Cannot think of a name]

You’re gonna have to make a case for that one, cause the “sjw” critics have been lambasting alita

A plot that is literally "poor oppressed minorities take on the White 1%", for one.

Sort of a less dumb Elysium.

[Tarsonis]

You’re gonna have to make a case for that one, cause the “sjw” critics have been lambasting alita

A plot that is literally "poor oppressed minorities take on the White 1%", for one.

True but it’s also a male fantasy.

[Hirota]

You’re gonna have to make a case for that one, cause the “sjw” critics have been lambasting alita

A plot that is literally "poor oppressed minorities take on the White 1%", for one.

You could make that case... I've not watched either yet so I can't hold an opinion on if Alita is more or less "SJW-y " than captain marvel.

You could also make the case that because its "SJW-ness" wasn't sermonised as a major selling point certain people were not irritated by it or put off watching it. At least, I don't recall journos and Hollywood types spent much time preaching about the politics in Alita. <Shrugs>

Maybe that's the point - its not so much about the film and its contents and politics,but rather about being told what people should think about film A or film B or how profound the film is and how we should love it because of politics. We know there are lots of people bored of politics, and cinema is often - especially in action flicks - a form of escape from the drudgery of reality.

And even if people don't go for the escapism and sheer entertainment, we know is that politics in the west is as divisive as it has been for 30 or 40 years, so choosing to embrace politics is at least going to annoy one demographic or the other, and annoy the increasing number of people irritated by politics getting dragged into everything.

Anyhoo, I'm supposed to be going to watch Captain Marvel on Thursday. As long as it's a decent apartif before endgame I'll be happy.