MCU/Superhero Discussion Thread

[Cannot think of a name]

What If? looks like a trainwreck that consists far too much of "what if X character was Y hero instead" rather than exploring more conceptual ideas combined with dodgy (read: unconventional aesthetic choices) animation.

People said the same thing about the animation in the previews for Spiderverse, and look how that turned out.

That 'leap of faith' sequence in Spiderverse is the best scene in superhero movies.

[Ameriganastan]

People said the same thing about the animation in the previews for Spiderverse, and look how that turned out.

That 'leap of faith' sequence in Spiderverse is the best scene in superhero movies.

It's up there, yeah.

To think I almost skipped it until I heard Nic Cage was in it...

[Lord Dominator]

Me, I’m most excited for What If? and Secret Wars

On Strange 2, I’m mostly on the Nightmare train because he seems fairly logical for a semi-horror movie + the director of the first originally having wanted him for that one. Who knows, maybe the horror elements aren’t a principal feature of the villain (Cthon, Mephisto) or they’ll go cosmic horror (Shuma-Gorath). Idk really

What If looks cool as fuck. I would love for them to do Secret Wars. Though I’d want them to do a whole phase that’s Secret Wars. Like do the 2015 Secret Wars with Doom and the Battleworld and just have a whole phase of movies take place in that reality. That’d be a bit much but it’d bre cool. I think at best they’d just do another two parter they don’t consider a two parter.

Reportedly the Russo brothers would be down for making something of the original Secret Wars event from 1984 (not that they’re currently doing so, just that they would).

[Cannot think of a name]

What If looks cool as fuck. I would love for them to do Secret Wars. Though I’d want them to do a whole phase that’s Secret Wars. Like do the 2015 Secret Wars with Doom and the Battleworld and just have a whole phase of movies take place in that reality. That’d be a bit much but it’d bre cool. I think at best they’d just do another two parter they don’t consider a two parter.

Reportedly the Russo brothers would be down for making something of the original Secret Wars event from 1984 (not that they’re currently doing so, just that they would).

I like the 1984 Secret Wars just for its simplicity. The 2015 one was pretty convoluted and apparently revolved around the importance of carrying snacks.

[Vassenor]

Andrew Garfield formally puts the kibosh on the No Way Home rumours.

So presumably we're going to get chapter and verse about how this is all lies because it doesn't fit what people want to believe.

Already seen it. In fact, the only way I've seen that video is via some dude breaking down why this video actually confirms that Garfield is in it. Mainly his unwillingness to say specifically "I am not in this movie" but instead "I didn't get the call."

Assuming that's the same interview. Yeah, it is. I'd link the video I watched claiming this was confirmation but...I mean...

I mean at this point he could provide detailed evidence of his movements for the last year and people would still say he was lying to cover his involvement in the film.

[Cannot think of a name]

Already seen it. In fact, the only way I've seen that video is via some dude breaking down why this video actually confirms that Garfield is in it. Mainly his unwillingness to say specifically "I am not in this movie" but instead "I didn't get the call."

Assuming that's the same interview. Yeah, it is. I'd link the video I watched claiming this was confirmation but...I mean...

I mean at this point he could provide detailed evidence of his movements for the last year and people would still say he was lying to cover his involvement in the film.

I’m on the tablet and it’s not letting me copy the specific link but here is a follow up video to that guy that took Garfield’s interview as a confirmation. In the description he links what is apparently the patient zero of everyone’s certainty, a video that was posted on a Spanish language Sony YouTube channel that was taken down by copyright claims.

I wouldn’t rule out actors being coy to preserve a surprise, my chief skepticism is how well the production was watched and none of these rumors involve Garfield or McGuire being even in the same city as the production. Unless they did some serious B team shit.

[Forsher]

I'm not sure why this new Loki clip hasn't got more attention. Personally, I think it really enhances the comparison to Breakout Kings, White Collar and similar.

[Cannot think of a name]

Venom: There Will Be Carnage has a trailer up.

[Ameriganastan]

Venom: There Will Be Carnage has a trailer up.

I didn't much care for the first one, but I'll still watch this for Woody as Cletus. Also, super glad they ditched that wig he was wearing in the stinger of the first one.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Venom: There Will Be Carnage has a trailer up.

I keep forgetting that ever existed.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Venom: There Will Be Carnage has a trailer up.

Looks alright. I never watched the first one though so dont have much interest.

[Ameriganastan]

Venom: There Will Be Carnage has a trailer up.

Looks alright. I never watched the first one though so dont have much interest.

It wasn't that good. He doesn't even go full Venom until like an hour into the movie.

[Cannot think of a name]

Venom sans Spider-man just doesn’t work for me. I know at this point that the symbiote has merged with just about everybody in the Marvel Universe and they’ve retconned his life a million times but without that tie to Spider-man upfront it just doesn’t really work. But...I watch everything so what does it matter.

[Forsher]

I think I've mentioned that Thor: Ragnarok and IW/Endgame feel completely discontinuous on a character level for Thor, Loki and, especially, Hulk? Well, I just discovered why:

Fandango: Speaking of Thor, Thor: Ragnarok feels like it had a significant influence on characters in this film.

Stephen McFeely: I mean, we did all of this before Ragnarok.

Christopher Markus: Yeah, initially we were writing drafts prior to Taika coming onboard. And it was once they got underway and they were off in Australia making the movie and it was clear that they were discovering new facets to Thor, Chris Hemsworth wanted to make sure that this new loosened-up Thor didn't vanish immediately upon returning to the Avengers world. And so he and Taika flew to Atlanta and we had long meetings with them and watched some footage and got a sense of the new Thor tone, and it worked perfectly with where we wanted to go.

Stephen McFeely: At some point when we figured out what we wanted to do, and create Smart Hulk in the second movie, I think Kevin sort of pulled Mark aside and said, "Listen, we're sort of treating these next three movies, Ragnarok, Infinity War, and Endgame, as sort of a longterm three-movie Hulk arc. So be patient because that third one is gonna be great."

So yeah that was always a wrestling match, right? Because we weren't sure when the Smart Hulk transformation was going to happen. So was it meant to be at the end of Infinity War? Was it going to be at the top of Endgame? You know, it was always fluid.

That's a really old interview, by the way.

[HC Eredivisie]

Looks alright. I never watched the first one though so dont have much interest.

It wasn't that good. He doesn't even go full Venom until like an hour into the movie.

To be fair, Iron Man's red and yellow armor goes on after 1:15 in the movie so that's even later.

Venom: There Will Be Carnage has a trailer up.

Looks alright. I never watched the first one though so dont have much interest.

I like the first one but as has been said, it's weird without Spider-man. It's has gotten me more interested than the Shang Chi movie.

Venom sans Spider-man just doesn’t work for me. I know at this point that the symbiote has merged with just about everybody in the Marvel Universe and they’ve retconned his life a million times but without that tie to Spider-man upfront it just doesn’t really work. But...I watch everything so what does it matter.

Well Brock smashes a spider in the trailer so that's something right? >.> But you're right, part of Venom is that he hates Spider-Man and that's missing here.

I'm not sure why this new Loki clip hasn't got more attention. Personally, I think it really enhances the comparison to Breakout Kings, White Collar and similar.

I read Morbius at the start....

I mean at this point he could provide detailed evidence of his movements for the last year and people would still say he was lying to cover his involvement in the film.

I’m on the tablet and it’s not letting me copy the specific link but here is a follow up video to that guy that took Garfield’s interview as a confirmation. In the description he links what is apparently the patient zero of everyone’s certainty, a video that was posted on a Spanish language Sony YouTube channel that was taken down by copyright claims.

I wouldn’t rule out actors being coy to preserve a surprise, my chief skepticism is how well the production was watched and none of these rumors involve Garfield or McGuire being even in the same city as the production. Unless they did some serious B team shit.

They were wearing a baseball cap and sun glasses so nobody recognised them.

[Ameriganastan]

To be fair, Iron Man's red and yellow armor goes on after 1:15 in the movie so that's even later.

Yeah, but he still had the proto-armor and the test flight silver armor before that. So it's not really the same.

[Cannot think of a name]

The other issue with the new Venom movie is they already did the Life Foundation symbiotes in the last one and now Carnage, it’s going to come down to goo monster vs goo monster again. Riot was already more powerful. Had a little mini monologue about it and everything. What distinguishes this outside a more recognizable opponent and actor?

[Ameriganastan]

The other issue with the new Venom movie is they already did the Life Foundation symbiotes in the last one and now Carnage, it’s going to come down to goo monster vs goo monster again. Riot was already more powerful. Had a little mini monologue about it and everything. What distinguishes this outside a more recognizable opponent and actor?

Well, that last thing. I mean Riot was a boring villain, as was the cliche "Eliminate humanity to save the environment" guy he was attached to. Carnage is a wackadoo attached an ever more wackadoo serial killer played by a much better actor. Ergo, it will be superior.

[Cannot think of a name]

The other issue with the new Venom movie is they already did the Life Foundation symbiotes in the last one and now Carnage, it’s going to come down to goo monster vs goo monster again. Riot was already more powerful. Had a little mini monologue about it and everything. What distinguishes this outside a more recognizable opponent and actor?

Well, that last thing. I mean Riot was a boring villain, as was the cliche "Eliminate humanity to save the environment" guy he was attached to. Carnage is a wackadoo attached an ever more wackadoo serial killer played by a much better actor. Ergo, it will be superior.

Will it though? “Oh no, see...this goo monster is craaaaaazy, so...like, it’s different n stuff.”

It’s the first movie. This is why you can’t do Venom outside Spider-Man/the marvel universe. Outside of that it’s just uninspired variants of goo monsters trading one liners.

[Ameriganastan]

Well, that last thing. I mean Riot was a boring villain, as was the cliche "Eliminate humanity to save the environment" guy he was attached to. Carnage is a wackadoo attached an ever more wackadoo serial killer played by a much better actor. Ergo, it will be superior.

Will it though? “Oh no, see...this goo monster is craaaaaazy, so...like, it’s different n stuff.”

It’s the first movie. This is why you can’t do Venom outside Spider-Man/the marvel universe. Outside of that it’s just uninspired variants of goo monsters trading one liners.

I mean if it sucks, you still got Woody Harrelson. He's good at being the best part of bad movies. Zombieland, Three Billboards, that third Planet Of The Apes movie, etc.

[Cannot think of a name]

Ya'll ready for M.O.D.O.K.? You get that Wonder Man you didn't get in WandaVision.

[Cannot think of a name]

New name in the Doctor Strange villain lottery, Shuma-Gorath.

A being if unspeakable horror that lives extra dimensionally would work for it to be a horror movie.

[Tarsonis]

New name in the Doctor Strange villain lottery, Shuma-Gorath.

A being if unspeakable horror that lives extra dimensionally would work for it to be a horror movie.

God damnit Hermeus Mora, we know it's you. Stop trying to enter our world through our literary works.

[Ameriganastan]

New name in the Doctor Strange villain lottery, Shuma-Gorath.

A being if unspeakable horror that lives extra dimensionally would work for it to be a horror movie.

God damnit Hermeus Mora, we know it's you. Stop trying to enter our world through our literary works.

Screw him and his annoying realm of books. I hated that DLC.

[Tarsonis]

God damnit Hermeus Mora, we know it's you. Stop trying to enter our world through our literary works.

Screw him and his annoying realm of books. I hated that DLC.

It had the super saiyan shout. Worth it.