MCU/Superhero Discussion Thread

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

I'm pretty sure someone talked about it already but what do you truly feel like within site rules about this story

https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/pet ... man-color/

its where a group of measly 9,000 people signed a petition to have Disney let go Brie Larson as Captain Marvel and replace her well here's an excerpt from the story

Now, though, folks have taken things one step further, as a petition has been started calling for the actress to be replaced in her role with a gay woman of color – we kid you not. Even more unbelievable is that it’s almost hit its goal.
“We need Brie Larson to step down from her role to prove she is an ally of social justice and ensure a gay woman of color plays the role,” reads the petition.
“Let Monica, the original female & BLACK Captain Marvel instead of white-washing characters for the benefit of the straight, white men running Disney. She hasn’t donated money to any charity other than The Motion Picture and Television Fund Foundation and it’s time for her to show she is not all-talk.”

I find this disturbing not the more representation part but the "doing something for diversities sake" instead of what happened with Black Panther which the movie goers and longtime Marvel fan base have been asking for every since Civil War. I also fin d it funny that 9,000 people signing a petition will somehow change Disney's mind on the actress the net them over a 1 billion USD for her portrayal of Carol Danvers. plus how would Disney and Marvel explain to the people how Capt Marvel is now Black and gay when nothing of the sort has been set up to tell that story.

Oh the people behind that petition can fucking do one.

A sentiment you could pretty much expand to just "everybody on 4chan".

[Forsher]

Anyone any ideas on any new heroes they might introduce post endgame?

Like is that warlock guy gona come into it at all or was that just a one off easter egg.

Ignoring the obvious stuff from the Fox purchase, I can't honestly think of anything in particular.

Young Avengers, Champions and associated characters.

Depending how exactly the rights and/or negotiations work... there are also other Spider-man and Hulk affiliated characters. The Hulk affiliates probably wouldn't get solo movies, of course.

(There's also Jessica Drew... which despite CTOAN's drivel earlier in this thread... no-one really knows who owns.)

The way they're seemingly handling Eternals makes me think the odds of other comics pantheons coming in are low so in terms of big picture expansion it would probably have a cosmic focus, which may be reflected in other additional characters. I feel like someone mentioned Quasar in this thread, for instance. Turns out that was CTOAN also.

Honestly, Endgame makes it look like

Young Avengers is playing out. The multiple universes crap even brings Noh-Varr into play.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Making it CM feels... I don’t know... too obvious?

People are reading too much into that haircut. It’s one of her comic book haircuts same as the long hair (or her hair becoming a Mohawk when she had her helmet thing up) and it’s frankly ridiculous that so many people flew into butch comments and “Karen Danvers” memes just because of their own notions on what short hair means on a woman.

She grew up with Rambeau because she was all but adopted by the family after her own parents abused her. Pairing these two women that are practically sisters is... squicky

Simply making the slightly more masculine woman gay is lazy, but more than that, I disagree any of her traits are stereotypically lesbian.

[Forsher]

Making it CM feels... I don’t know... too obvious?

People are reading too much into that haircut. It’s one of her comic book haircuts same as the long hair (or her hair becoming a Mohawk when she had her helmet thing up) and it’s frankly ridiculous that so many people flew into butch comments and “Karen Danvers” memes just because of their own notions on what short hair means on a woman.

She grew up with Rambeau because she was all but adopted by the family after her own parents abused her. Pairing these two women that are practically sisters is... squicky

Simply making the slightly more masculine woman gay is lazy, but more than that, I disagree any of her traits are stereotypically lesbian.

Lazy and probably offensive.

On the other hand, the only relationship I know of hers from the comics is with Rhodey. The big picture of that is she gets Rhodey killed... by Thanos. And this is from the recent era of Comics!Carol which Feige (iirc, maybe one of the CM writers/directors) have specifically said they're drawing from.

Mantis has great chemistry with Drax but she's already got a line which hints at lesbianism:

Drax, that's not - I don't like you like that. I don't even like the type of thing you are

I think most people interpreted this as a species orientation, but since this is pretty much never a Thing I lean towards the lesbian interpretation.

Valkyrie is meant to be bisexual. The actress has pointed that out. I feel "lol, lesbian" would be a bad idea there.

Shuri... another example of completely failed Dawson casting begging for confirmation it isn't Dawson casting... has great chemistry with Bucky, but if they try to convince us that she's a teenager then I think she's reasonably likely. (Especially if they then put her in a Young Avengers set-up... note, a majority queer team in the comics.)

Sam might be a good bet because, you know, he just got

an important status upgrade.

Rhodey is probably going to be less important going forwards and I feel like a sexuality reveal for Fury would be out of character.

Nebula also has the short-hair issue.

Wong... the MCU does seem to like tokens so I think they'd look at CTOAN's logic here and think "Yep, seems good" but he's also the most sidekicked character in the MCU (other than Ned who wants to be a sidekick) so bad optics?

I'm going with Mantis (main guess) and Sam & Carol (tie for second) as my guesses.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Obviously it’s going to be Ancient One.

They’ll also reveal she’s always thought of herself as an old Tibetan man in a younger white woman’s body.

[Lord Dominator]

Obviously it’s going to be Ancient One.

They’ll also reveal she’s always thought of herself as an old Tibetan man in a younger white woman’s body.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Bonus points, since Ancient One would consider himself to be a man, being gay for him means being with men.

But this would just look like Tilda Swinton being with men in a heterosexual relationship.

Now Marvel can get points for being progressive without alienating homophobic markets like China.

You’re welcome Marvel.

[Fedel]

Making it CM feels... I don’t know... too obvious?

People are reading too much into that haircut. It’s one of her comic book haircuts same as the long hair (or her hair becoming a Mohawk when she had her helmet thing up) and it’s frankly ridiculous that so many people flew into butch comments and “Karen Danvers” memes just because of their own notions on what short hair means on a woman.

She grew up with Rambeau because she was all but adopted by the family after her own parents abused her. Pairing these two women that are practically sisters is... squicky

Simply making the slightly more masculine woman gay is lazy, but more than that, I disagree any of her traits are stereotypically lesbian.

And if you think Disney gives a shit about any of that you're crazy. When they pander to a specific demographic they do it to solely to gain browny points from a gullible audience.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Meh. Fiction is lousy with long-haired lesbians (and bi women). I say, make her proper butch and have her come out in CM2.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Ronan.

He’s gay for Kree justice.

[Valrifell]

From an outsider (non-LGBTQ) it seems like that lesbians are the "safest" kind of gay that they could go with, so part of me really hopes they get some man-on-man action in there just for that.

[Lord Dominator]

Based on the 73 million US estimate I'm seeing for Endgame, combined with the existing 2.328 billion globally, I do think this weekend will be enough to breach 2.5 billion globally.

[Cannot think of a name]

I'm pretty sure someone talked about it already but what do you truly feel like within site rules about this story

https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/pet ... man-color/

its where a group of measly 9,000 people signed a petition to have Disney let go Brie Larson as Captain Marvel and replace her well here's an excerpt from the story

Now, though, folks have taken things one step further, as a petition has been started calling for the actress to be replaced in her role with a gay woman of color – we kid you not. Even more unbelievable is that it’s almost hit its goal.
“We need Brie Larson to step down from her role to prove she is an ally of social justice and ensure a gay woman of color plays the role,” reads the petition.
“Let Monica, the original female & BLACK Captain Marvel instead of white-washing characters for the benefit of the straight, white men running Disney. She hasn’t donated money to any charity other than The Motion Picture and Television Fund Foundation and it’s time for her to show she is not all-talk.”

I find this disturbing not the more representation part but the "doing something for diversities sake" instead of what happened with Black Panther which the movie goers and longtime Marvel fan base have been asking for every since Civil War. I also fin d it funny that 9,000 people signing a petition will somehow change Disney's mind on the actress the net them over a 1 billion USD for her portrayal of Carol Danvers. plus how would Disney and Marvel explain to the people how Capt Marvel is now Black and gay when nothing of the sort has been set up to tell that story.

She's already in the universe, she was Lt. Trouble. By now she'd be well into her thirties so adult her is in the universe. And more than likely to use her mom's call sign as her superhero name, "Photon" which is also one of he comic book aliases. There could very well be a Captain America/Falcon arc where she eventually passes the 'Captain' title on or she just becomes Photon and that takes on its own life, but...basically, cool your jets. Rombeau is already there.

[Ameriganastan]

My only contribution to the gay talk is that I totally shipped Peggy and Angie during the short existence of Agent Carter.

[Alvecia]

My only contribution to the gay talk is that I totally shipped Peggy and Angie during the short existence of Agent Carter.

A ship doomed to sink before the show even started, and yet, they still managed to find a way to sink it further come Endgame. Impressive really.

[Ameriganastan]

My only contribution to the gay talk is that I totally shipped Peggy and Angie during the short existence of Agent Carter.

A ship doomed to sink before the show even started, and yet, they still managed to find a way to sink it further come Endgame. Impressive really.

Yup...

[The Huskar Social Union]

My only contribution to the gay talk is that I totally shipped Peggy and Angie during the short existence of Agent Carter.

Oh a lesbian special agent romance in the 1940s.


Scandalous

I approve.

[Lord Dominator]

So my prediction of 2.5 billion by weekend end was off by 15 milliin, but the total was still enough to stay ahead of Detective Pikachu.

The International totals don't look like they've been properly updated in a week though,

[Cannot think of a name]

Watching Agents of SHIELD and the timelines make no damn sense. The creators keep going on about it being 'pre-snap' but Thanos was attacking during the season finale and now this is a year later.

I was getting worked up then realized when I was a teenager there were four Siderman titles that supposedly took place in the same reality where he wore different suits. So Agents of SHIELD having a fucked off timeline, or Cloak & Dagger not having the Devastation take place is pure comic book chicanery. "Just repeat to yourself it's just a show, you should maybe just relax..."

[Alvecia]

Watching Agents of SHIELD and the timelines make no damn sense. The creators keep going on about it being 'pre-snap' but Thanos was attacking during the season finale and now this is a year later.

I was getting worked up then realized when I was a teenager there were four Siderman titles that supposedly took place in the same reality where he wore different suits. So Agents of SHIELD having a fucked off timeline, or Cloak & Dagger not having the Devastation take place is pure comic book chicanery. "Just repeat to yourself it's just a show, you should maybe just relax..."

Much like the time travel in Endgame. Just don’t think about it too much, you’ll be fine.

[HC Eredivisie]

If I remember correctly Hugh Jackman said he might be willing to return as Wolverine if it was in the MCU. Soooo I have my fingers crossed so fucking hard for that because honestly I think Hugh is to Wolverine as Downey is to Ironman.

He did say that, but later said he's done playing Wolverine.

Also, the herb from Wakanda is the secret ingredient in the Super Soldier Serum which is why it coudn't be replicated later as the only sample of it came with the vibranium used to make Caps' shield.

[Lord Dominator]

Steve Rogers: Captain America (Hamilton PARODY)

[Bombadil]

An outline of various potential changes considered and alternate scenes.. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/m ... vel-finale

I like this one..

Hawkeye took a less conventional route. Giving himself a fancy new mohawk and appointing himself neighborhood watch captain of the ravaged world, we find him in the midst of a globetrotting killing spree.

According to the writers, in the same Times interview mentioned above, it was originally going to be Thor who went all Travis Bickle: “When we were spitballing for Endgame, we started with, Thor’s on a mission of vengeance. And then we were like, he was on a mission of vengeance in the last movie. This is all this guy ever does! And fails, all the time. Let’s drive him into a wall and see what happens.”

[The first Galactic Republic]

I’m glad they didn’t go that route with Thor.

The Ronin reference was neat, even if his scenes were a little out there.

[Valrifell]

I don't know, I kind of hate fat Thor.