MCU/Superhero Discussion Thread

[Ameriganastan]

The Hulk, especially after Ang Lee's film, was well known (there was the famous tv series) but the Ang Lee film was supposed to prove that he wasn't a hot movie property. Though part of that was special effects not being up to the task of truly portraying the big green wrecking machine.

And the fact that Ang Lee's a drama writer/director, not an action writer/director.

And the fact that it sucked.

[New haven america]

And the fact that Ang Lee's a drama writer/director, not an action writer/director.

He came to prominence in the US directing a kung fu movie.

1/15 movies he's work on.

[New haven america]

And the fact that Ang Lee's a drama writer/director, not an action writer/director.

And the fact that it sucked.

Yes, because the writer and director was out of his element.

[Cannot think of a name]

And the fact that it sucked.

Yes, because the writer and director was out of his element.

Out of his element is Ang's element. He likes to experiment.

[Lord Dominator]

Endgame now officially the fastest flick to ever reach 1 billion worldwide.

Halved the record at that, from 11 days to 5 (it also has and likely will have every domestic record for 'fastest to [x]'
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[Tekania]

When the MCU began they asked this very question, could Marvel really make a go of it after it sold all its top tier titles to other studios, could they really be a factor with just the leftovers and a burnt out star like RDJ.

Eleven years later, it's hard to think of Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, and The Hulk as being 'leftovers' or the Avengers being 'left overs'. Also, after all these years, they have those marque characters that everyone thought they needed back, though slightly used.

I don't think anyone would have predicted eleven straight years of fire, but I also wouldn't count them out either.

Was Hulk really a leftover? I'm not a comic book person, but I knew who he was and I just assumed he was a household name.

Not really, but Hulk can't be used in any solo movies, as Universal still has creative control over any Hulk solo movie. So he falls into the category of characters the Marvel somewhat gave away early on.

[New haven america]

Yes, because the writer and director was out of his element.

Out of his element is Ang's element. He likes to experiment.

So how does that explain his entire filmography being dramas? (Excluding Crouching Tiger and Hulk)

[Cannot think of a name]

Out of his element is Ang's element. He likes to experiment.

So how does that explain his entire filmography being dramas? (Excluding Crouching Tiger and Hulk)

Yeah, I'm not doing this with you in the MCU thread.

[New haven america]

So how does that explain his entire filmography being dramas? (Excluding Crouching Tiger and Hulk)

Yeah, I'm not doing this with you in the MCU thread.

[HC Eredivisie]

Anyone else think Marvel movies are gonna make less money now that Phase III is over and the original avengers are out?

Oh, big time. I predict Phase 4 will have the first straight bomb in this franchise.

Nah, unless JL-level income would count as bombing.

And don't forget where it started:

''Don't waste it, don't waste your life, Stark''

[Tarsonis]

I personally thought Hulk was fine. The problem was the whole bit with Nick Nolte, derailed the whole thing.

[Tarsonis]

Anyone else think Marvel movies are gonna make less money now that Phase III is over and the original avengers are out?

Oh, big time. I predict Phase 4 will have the first straight bomb in this franchise.

I doubt Anything will Bomb. Guardians III will make money, DS2, so will BP2, and Spider-man. All those things that are call backs to phase III. The rest? Can't say I'm super excited about "Inhumans"

[Liriena]

Oh, big time. I predict Phase 4 will have the first straight bomb in this franchise.

I doubt Anything will Bomb. Guardians III will make money, DS2, so will BP2, and Spider-man. All those things that are call backs to phase III. The rest? Can't say I'm super excited about "Inhumans"

Is an Inhumans movie still in the works? I assumed Feige just let that dream die in its cradle after the Marvel Netflix folks made that horrible show. (And it was horrible. I tried to watch the first episode, and already in the first five minutes I was beyond disappointed).

I figure they'll still do pretty well with new characters too. I mean... who the heck cared about Doctor Strange before his movie came out?

[Tarsonis]

I doubt Anything will Bomb. Guardians III will make money, DS2, so will BP2, and Spider-man. All those things that are call backs to phase III. The rest? Can't say I'm super excited about "Inhumans"

Is an Inhumans movie still in the works? I assumed Feige just let that dream die in its cradle after the Marvel Netflix folks made that horrible show. (And it was horrible. I tried to watch the first episode, and already in the first five minutes I was beyond disappointed).

I figure they'll still do pretty well with new characters too. I mean... who the heck cared about Doctor Strange before his movie came out?

They might do okay, but I think a built in part of the excitement of these characters is the Avengers tie in. Like I’ll see these movies eventually, that is for sure. But I’m not nearly as excited about seeing them
Now as I was about seeing them when they tied into the avengers arc. Like I said, I don’t think any will
Bomb, but I don’t think they’ll make as much money either.

[The first Galactic Republic]

I personally thought Hulk was fine. The problem was the whole bit with Nick Nolte, derailed the whole thing.

Nick Nolte was the best thing about that movie.

He literally eats the scenery at one point. You just don’t get villainous acting like that anymore.

[Panthera Leo]

Are the TV series connected to the films?

I don’t see any other the TV heroes giving a care in the world about Loki/Ultron/Accords/Thanos.

[Ameriganastan]

Are the TV series connected to the films?

I don’t see any other the TV heroes giving a care in the world about Loki/Ultron/Accords/Thanos.

I never watched the Netflix ones, but Agents Of Shield is frequently affected by movie events. You know, Hyrda, SHIELD dissolving after Winter Soldier, Sokovia, etc.

[Alvecia]

Are the TV series connected to the films?

I don’t see any other the TV heroes giving a care in the world about Loki/Ultron/Accords/Thanos.

I never watched the Netflix ones, but Agents Of Shield is frequently affected by movie events. You know, Hyrda, SHIELD dissolving after Winter Soldier, Sokovia, etc.

The Netflix ones are only very loosely connected. Being based in New York, they've referenced the battle a few time.
I think in Luke Cage

One of the plot lines is that the bad guy has a bullet made out of the metal the aliens that invaded used, and it's one of the only things that can pierce Cage's skin, so they try to shoot him with it.

I haven't seen the last season of Daredevil, so I don't know if they connect the worlds there any more.

[Pasong Tirad]

Are the TV series connected to the films?

I don’t see any other the TV heroes giving a care in the world about Loki/Ultron/Accords/Thanos.

Not so much the Netflix MCU ones like Daredevil and Jessica Jones. The focus of the Netflix MCU has always been small-scale and limited to New York. Several nods to the Avengers here and there but otherwise it's not directly tied in since it's not produced by Marvel Studios but by Netflix.

[Cannot think of a name]

Agents of SHIELD are directly tied, Coulson coming from the movies and it being SHIELD. They were the ones that got Fury the helicarrier for Age of Ultron and found Baron Strucker's hideout and 'called in the Avengers.'

During Thanos' invasion they were fighting off Graviton, who also wanted to go take on Thanos but got distracted.

After The Dark World they had to recover left over Asgardian shit.

Lady Sif joined them to hunt down an Asgardian fugitive.

Daredevil is in the aftermath of The Battle of New York. Kingpin is using the rebuilding of Hell's Kitchen to gain power and influence in the neighborhood.

Luke Cage, as someone said, is shot with a Chitari bullet.

Iron Fist was absent for most of what happened.

Jessica Jones tried the superhero routine when she got powers, got mixed up with the Purple Man and then series one happened. She is actively trying to not be involved but during season 2 connected with a child who was an Avengers fan with her role as a superhero, the kid essentially using Captain America to convince Jessica to give the super hero game another try.

The Runaways are runaways so they're good sitting most of this shit out. They have name dropped Wakanda, though. Also, the Staff of One or whatever its called channels the Dark Dimension as seen in Doctor Strange.

Cloak & Dagger are the result of corporate malfeasance by Roxxon, a background corporation in other projects. Agent Carter, which is a continuation of The First Avenger with characters from that movie, also featured Roxxon.

Those are the most obvious MCU tie ins from the Netflix and other series.

I don't remember any tie in for the Punisher but he never gave a shit anyway.

The Netflix crew was considered for

that final battle

but the writers felt it would require too much set up. Bullshit, man...

they included the kid from Iron Man 3 like anyone recognizes him now. It would have been a cool little toss in to have a shot of the five of them fighting Outriders going, "What fresh hell is this crap?" Yeah, if you don't know the Netflix series you might not know who they were or why there were there, but there was a lot of shit if you didn't see everything you didn't get. Yeah, it's more money, but the damn thing made a billion dollars in a weekend...

[Ameriganastan]

Yo, it just came to me!

Thor jetting off into space is probably leading to Beta Ray Bill!

[Liriena]

Yo, it just came to me!

Thor jetting off into space is probably leading to Beta Ray Bill!

In a post-Taika MCU, anything is possible!

[Cannot think of a name]

Yo, it just came to me!

Thor jetting off into space is probably leading to Beta Ray Bill!

100% cool with that outcome.

In an interview with the NYT with the writers they mention that the resolution of Thor catching a ride from the Guardians was put in looooong after Gunn had written the story for GotG 3 so while there might be a rewrite that deals with them dropping Thor off, it should not be taken as any indication whatsoever that Thor is part of the Guardians of the Galaxy.

While I'm in spoiler tags...since this was all set up before Fox got consumed by the Borg Disney, my assertion that Kang is the next big bad is still in effect. For that I present the following things that will pass as evidence:

1. They fuckered with Time. As Mordo said, messing with the basic building blocks of reality has consequences. They have created alternate realities and timelines now. The very mechanics of time travel. Therefore, also opened the door for someone who can navigate alternate timelines and time itself, Kang the Conqueror. They have also created a reality without a Loki, Asgard, or Thanos. While these things don't exist because of the Heroes from Earth (and their alien friends), Kang might like his chances against the whoever takes the place of the Avengers. Or...

2. The Young Avengers has been teased. Tony Stark's daughter is actually named after Tony's weird uncle...actually cousin if I remember the story correctly, that thought that his dad was shafted by Howard Stark and is convinced by a bigger bad guy (forgot who) to attack Tony so he does it by making Tony think that aliens are invading. Tony goes ape shit in Central Park shooting at ghosts as far as anyone else is concerned and there's a public outcry against Iron Man. Morgan does it again to seal the deal except...aliens actually invade, thwarting his plan. He's outed during the battle and Iron Man is exonerated in the public eye.

That's obviously not Morgan's arc. But she could take over Rescue from her mom. But...BUT...Ironlad is...wait for it...a young Kang the Conqueror. He goes back in time to impress his younger self but instead horrifies his younger self who becomes Iron Lad to thwart his older self.

2.5 Also, Kang might be a descendant of Reed Richards. Or something weird like that.

3. Hulkling is part Skrull...who also just got introduced into the MCU. Casey is a teenager, there's no Kate Bishop but there's Hawkeye's daughter. The Young Avengers essentially have a built in foe in Kang the Conqueror. And since Kangs stakes are more personal with his younger self fighting him, you don't have to match the outsized event of Endgame because...fucking how.

I know most people are thinking that Fox merger means that the big bad is Galactus which puts the Fantastic Four at the center of the next saga. And they might call an audible now that they're going to take a chance to breath with no release dates set after Far From Home. But I think they laid enough pipe for Kang that my money is still on him.

I say "My money" like I wouldn't still show up if the next big bad was MODOK.

Actually, if it was MODOK I would be so fucking down.MODOK is ridiculous and I love it.

[Cannot think of a name]

Yo, it just came to me!

Thor jetting off into space is probably leading to Beta Ray Bill!

In a post-Taika MCU, anything is possible!

I've been conflicted about this hard left turn with Thor, but now that you mention it...first, the somber stuff wasn't working and the Thor movies only had The Incredible Hulk to keep them off the bottom of the barrel. And, Thor's most legendary run of stories that really stick out were under Walt Simonson who created Beta Ray Bill and a story where Loki turned Thor into a frog where he fought a frog war for a worthy frog you got his own tiny Mjolnir off a sliver of Mjolnir and became Throg. Which is to say, the most popular and legendary Thor comics are Walt Simonsons completely bonkers run which is right in line with Taika Watiti. Watiti is the Walt Simonson of MCU Thor. He even referenced Throg in Ragnarok.

[Liriena]

In a post-Taika MCU, anything is possible!

I've been conflicted about this hard left turn with Thor, but now that you mention it...first, the somber stuff wasn't working and the Thor movies only had The Incredible Hulk to keep them off the bottom of the barrel. And, Thor's most legendary run of stories that really stick out were under Walt Simonson who created Beta Ray Bill and a story where Loki turned Thor into a frog where he fought a frog war for a worthy frog you got his own tiny Mjolnir off a sliver of Mjolnir and became Throg. Which is to say, the most popular and legendary Thor comics are Walt Simonsons completely bonkers run which is right in line with Taika Watiti. Watiti is the Walt Simonson of MCU Thor. He even referenced Throg in Ragnarok.

...and now I want to read that Throg story.