Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:You know, when someone tells me they love a film I didn't care for, I tend to assume they've noticed something I haven't or that they value something I don't. I don't assume they're lying about liking it.
Maybe the people who like BP aren't being pretentious. That is, they're not pretending to be cleverer than you. Maybe they're just...cleverer than you.
Your theory is compelling up until the point you mistake it for saying "people only like BP because it's pretentious". It doesn't say this. It says "the Academy are incapable of discerning film quality (because they're pretentious) so your appeal to that particular authority is laughable".
Not remotely the same thing.
I particularly love the bit where you try and pretend I claim people are "lying about liking" movies.
Cannot think of a name wrote:Forsher wrote:
BP and Ragnarok both revolve around the arrival of an unknown claimant to the throne who intends to create an Empire. Both... as is typical in MCU films... are unknown due to the secret keeping behaviour of the main character's father-kings. Both films involve the main character being presumed dead and requiring a power-up. The biggest difference is that Thor puts his team together whereas T'Challa gets put together by Nakia!
Thematically they even copy each other... both are about colonialism (although Ragnarok is much more subtle... in part because Hela is just so aggressive).
Cool. That was every bit the stretch I thought it would be.
I'm sorry if you somehow think complete plot similarity =/= ripoff.
BP and Ragarnok are far more similar than Madagascar and The Wild.
Pasong Tirad wrote:I have no idea how one person can think that a fantasy comedy romp film in space with superheroes is the same as an Afrofuturist political action thriller with superheroes.
Maybe you should think about how they're similar. Instead of focussing on the presentation.
Lord Dominator wrote:I don't even personally really see the colonialism in Ragnarok, Hela strikes me (and Asgard in general) as a person/nation who's more out to grab loot and territory than anything approximating actual governance of such. I mean, Vanaheim and Nidavallir are the only ones of the 9 Realms that actually show some form of positive relationship beyond 'Asgard is better than this place,' and only Jotunheim has that negative relationship that resembles something closer to what'd you expect if someone beat you in a bunch of wars and stole your crown jewels.
There are many, many articles about this.
Just because Black Panther focusses on something specific doesn't mean Ragnarok isn't about the same thing.
The biggest difference (tone aside) between the two (very, very Sci-Fi films) is that Killmonger wants to do the same thing as Hela for the opposite reason. To Killmonger the Wakandan Empire is necessary because it's a form of recompense whereas Hela wants to make an Asgardian Space Empire because it's dishonest to pretend it's anything else.