MCU/Superhero Discussion Thread

[Alvecia]

That's more the DC Arrowverse formula, with a single bad that covers the arc of the 22 episodes with one offs and side stories that happen throughout the season.

Even Agents of Shield which has a traditional season (20+ episodes) they tend to split the season into two bads that are thematically linked.

The Netflix shows are 13 episodes long and the two others, The Runaways and Cloak and Dagger, those are ten episodes long and Cloak and Dagger I felt ended abruptly but that's after draaaaaging it's feet mid 'season'.

I think the slowness is a price to pay for a richer story but do feel like they could come up with 'more' to do. Having a climactic event every four episodes would be cost prohibitive.

I haven't watched too much of the Marvel shows, but I have seen seasons 1 & 2 of Daredevil, season 1 of Jessica Jones, and seasons 1 & 2 of S.H.I.E.L.D., and they pretty much followed that same structure. Though, S.H.I.E.L.D. was a bit better about it, I'll admit.

Personally I find SHIELD more enjoyable in the later seasons.

[Oppermenia]

I haven't watched too much of the Marvel shows, but I have seen seasons 1 & 2 of Daredevil, season 1 of Jessica Jones, and seasons 1 & 2 of S.H.I.E.L.D., and they pretty much followed that same structure. Though, S.H.I.E.L.D. was a bit better about it, I'll admit.

Personally I find SHIELD more enjoyable in the later seasons.

Same. Season 5 has been the best season by far

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

So, Ant-Man and the Wasp is basically another decent Marvel film. Decent humour, decent action, etc.

Better villain than the average MCU baddy, almost too sympathetic. I kinda felt like if Ant Man and co had just tried to talk to her the first time they were captured, they could probably have reached an accord and had the whole plot sorted by the forty minute mark (the secondary villain is obviously a non-entity without Ghost around).

And, hey, it's nice that the MCU is pretending to have made a film with a female co-lead.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

I haven't watched too much of the Marvel shows, but I have seen seasons 1 & 2 of Daredevil, season 1 of Jessica Jones, and seasons 1 & 2 of S.H.I.E.L.D., and they pretty much followed that same structure. Though, S.H.I.E.L.D. was a bit better about it, I'll admit.

Personally I find SHIELD more enjoyable in the later seasons.

Yeah, though my faves are Season 1 and 4. Season 5 is too meh for me.

Well the Disney-Fox deal has gone through.
The only problem is, they have to get every other country in the world that they do business in to approve it, too.
But, that means we're one step closer to having the X-Men in the MCU.

Leave 'em out. At this point they'd be a drag on the narrative. Keep the mutant verse separate and instead work the Fantastic Four and its foe base into the MCU. Mutants have to existed the entire time and no one know, it's too...don't like it. No one cares what I like but whatever.

Also, massive additional photography (not reshoots) for IV, enough that they almost shipped my friend out to pinewood...why hold off that much photography for so long?? Probably a mundane reason to do with scheduling the huge cast (my friend likes her job and doesn't tell us shit) but I'm pretending it was to wait and see if they could tease the introduction of FF shit. Not going to be the case.

Well to be honest the main Avengers cast (Like Chris Evans) is/are optioning to get out from the MCU, and to add mutants as well as Eternals will be a game-changing.

[Forsher]

I never liked them using mutants as a metaphor for racism. Mutants are legitimately dangerous, and more often than not unstable and kind of crazy. Keeping tabs on them always seemed a pragmatic option, not a bigoted one.

Indeed, that tends to ruin the metaphor a bit once you think about it.

Ameri's completely wrong though. The vast majority of mutants aren't remotely unstable and they're under-represented in the rogue's galleries. There's a reason why people like Magneto, Sabretooth and Mystique... you get to see a lot of them.

Think I'm going to throw in the towel on Jessica Jones S2 on episode 5. It's a real shame, because Jessica herself is a delight as usual and it's not like the plot is uninteresting. I just don't want to spend another eight hours watching it inch along.

Marvel! Stop making these shows so long!

The plot in JJ2 doesn't inch along because that would suggest that it has a plot, it's not that kind of programme. It's basically 13 episodes of character studies and watching it any other way is going to lead to disappointment.

This probably wasn't the best decision to take given the way they set up Simpson's doctor friend but the Ma and Pa Supersoldier Programme is an interesting twist, if less personally exciting.

I haven't watched too much of the Marvel shows, but I have seen seasons 1 & 2 of Daredevil, season 1 of Jessica Jones, and seasons 1 & 2 of S.H.I.E.L.D., and they pretty much followed that same structure. Though, S.H.I.E.L.D. was a bit better about it, I'll admit.

This just isn't true. DD 1 and JJ 1 do have single villain stories but you're sticking about an extra 300 minutes worth of run time on to the programmes. AoS S1 has a long running arc that most people actually miss and consequently has a "plot of the week vibe" until half way through. DD S2 literally has two completely different (one very good, the other fairly bad) story arcs and, of course, is also nearly 300 minutes shorter than you present. AoS S2 is as long as you suggest but is split into

Whitehall and Jiaying

arcs.

To extend it to the rest of the shows...

• Luke Cage S1 is notorious for
  having two halves
• LC S2 kind of has
  Bushmaster and Mariah Stokes sections
• Iron Fist... is completely incoherent so doesn't qualify by default but it was probably trying to have one big bad
• Inhumans does have the one big bad but is even shorter than a typical Netflix series
• Defenders... shorter than the typical Netflix series,
  keeps the same plot line but with a new head villain
• As far as I remember, both Agent Carters have the one overall baddie (S2 definitely does) but are also short
• AoS S3, S4 and S5 have several big bads and the first two can basically be split up into three storylines and
  you could defend a three villain structure's presence in S5
• As CTOAN already mentioned, Runaways and Cloak and Dagger are too short and, frankly, Runaways has a before and after
  Jonah character to it
• The Punisher... too short to count but does have the one big bad

tl;dr -- more than half of the MCU TV shows are multi-villlained and almost all of them are well short of 20 episodes.

Personally I find SHIELD more enjoyable in the later seasons.

Same. Season 5 has been the best season by far

Really? It's easily the worst if you ask me.

The first half is good, really good, but it fell apart completely once they got back... I appreciate the tying up of loose ends but the way they tried to do so compromised the story (which is probably to say that the budget constraints became a big issue).

So, Ant-Man and the Wasp is basically another decent Marvel film. Decent humour, decent action, etc.

Better villain than the average MCU baddy, almost too sympathetic. I kinda felt like if Ant Man and co had just tried to talk to her the first time they were captured, they could probably have reached an accord and had the whole plot sorted by the forty minute mark (the secondary villain is obviously a non-entity without Ghost around).

And, hey, it's nice that the MCU is pretending to have made a film with a female co-lead.

One. AMatW very clearly has two villains. Two. Yes, most people have missed that Hope is clearly the main character.. drives the plot even more than she did in the first one and has the more prominent emotional arc.

On the topic of adding mutants... not a problem. Well, if you're prepared for now to be the first generation of numerous mutants (when you think about it there aren't many mutants Professor X's age, it's Cyclops' generation where they're common). I think people who want the original five to be all the same age will be disappointed if, indeed, they even take the route of starting with those five (who range from annoying to vanilla to underused or better when blue and furry).

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Think I'm going to throw in the towel on Jessica Jones S2 on episode 5. It's a real shame, because Jessica herself is a delight as usual and it's not like the plot is uninteresting. I just don't want to spend another eight hours watching it inch along.

Marvel! Stop making these shows so long!

The plot in JJ2 doesn't inch along because that would suggest that it has a plot, it's not that kind of programme. It's basically 13 episodes of character studies and watching it any other way is going to lead to disappointment.

This probably wasn't the best decision to take given the way they set up Simpson's doctor friend but the Ma and Pa Supersoldier Programme is an interesting twist, if less personally exciting.

The four episodes I watched certainly looked like they had a plot. There were external threats and adversity, a mystery the characters were investigating, etc.

So, Ant-Man and the Wasp is basically another decent Marvel film. Decent humour, decent action, etc.

Better villain than the average MCU baddy, almost too sympathetic. I kinda felt like if Ant Man and co had just tried to talk to her the first time they were captured, they could probably have reached an accord and had the whole plot sorted by the forty minute mark (the secondary villain is obviously a non-entity without Ghost around).

And, hey, it's nice that the MCU is pretending to have made a film with a female co-lead.

One. AMatW very clearly has two villains. Two. Yes, most people have missed that Hope is clearly the main character.. drives the plot even more than she did in the first one and has the more prominent emotional arc.

1. You mean the crime lord dude? I mentioned him, but like I said, he's only a threat because they're too busy fighting Ghost to deal with him. Resolve the Ghost plot and he stops being a problem.

2. I disagree completely. If Hope had an arc, I didn't notice it. Sure, it's her mother they're trying to rescue, but it's Hank's wife too, and you wouldn't call him the protagonist. Hope wants to rescue her mum, kicks a bunch of ass, and rescues her mother. It's Scott who has to weigh up whether he's willing to risk jail again to help his friends.

[Lord Dominator]

Indeed, that tends to ruin the metaphor a bit once you think about it.

Ameri's completely wrong though. The vast majority of mutants aren't remotely unstable and they're under-represented in the rogue's galleries. There's a reason why people like Magneto, Sabretooth and Mystique... you get to see a lot of them.

That isn't the point though. The point is that mutants by-and-large have a large capacity for mayhem and whatnot, and many are fairly dangerous on their own.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

[Lord Dominator]

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I have no words except these fourteen expressing the words I do not have

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

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I have no words except these fourteen expressing the words I do not have

I'm glad you like it

[The Huskar Social Union]

Her outfit is fucking cool looking imo

Apparently we are getting a trailer or some kind of teaser today at some point

[The Huskar Social Union]

Found a bunch more images on imgur

[HC Eredivisie]

Ronan? Skrulls? Green Lanterns?

Brie is something you put on toast by the way, not something to save the universe.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Ronan? Skrulls? Green Lanterns?

Brie is something you put on toast by the way, not something to save the universe.

Those are not green lanterns, its the Kree i believe their are called. And i think they are skipping an origins story with her, so she will already have her powers when the movie begins and the Skrulls are going to be the bad guys, Ben Mendelsohn is supposedly going to be their leader.

Also not only is it a cheese, its also her name Cheese and cheese named peoples can save the world, who wouldnt want cheese to be their salvation?

[Zanera]

Ronan? Skrulls? Green Lanterns?

Brie is something you put on toast by the way, not something to save the universe.

Those are not green lanterns, its the Kree i believe their are called. And i think they are skipping an origins story with her, so she will already have her powers when the movie begins and the Skrulls are going to be the bad guys, Ben Mendelsohn is supposedly going to be their leader.

Also not only is it a cheese, its also her name Cheese and cheese named peoples can save the world, who wouldnt want cheese to be their salvation?

Broccoli.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Those are not green lanterns, its the Kree i believe their are called. And i think they are skipping an origins story with her, so she will already have her powers when the movie begins and the Skrulls are going to be the bad guys, Ben Mendelsohn is supposedly going to be their leader.

Also not only is it a cheese, its also her name Cheese and cheese named peoples can save the world, who wouldnt want cheese to be their salvation?

Broccoli.

Broccoli can fucking do one.

[HC Eredivisie]

The comments said Skrulls, but I was thinking of Brie and co in the sixth image as GL's (weird aliens, green/black matching uniforms, been reading Injustice 2). But isn't her movie meant to explain who she is and where her powers come from so IW2 can skip that?

And I'd rather have real cheese or Scarlett Witch save me.

[The Huskar Social Union]

The comments said Skrulls, but I was thinking of Brie and co in the sixth image as GL's (weird aliens, green/black matching uniforms, been reading Injustice 2). But isn't her movie meant to explain who she is and where her powers come from so IW2 can skip that?

And I'd rather have real cheese or Scarlett Witch save me.

Im sure they will probably mention how she got them in the movie and a bit about her backstory, but im near certain it wont be an origin story and will focus mainly on her already being out and round doing stuff

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Ronan? Skrulls? Green Lanterns?

Brie is something you put on toast by the way, not something to save the universe.

Those are not green lanterns, its the Kree i believe their are called. And i think they are skipping an origins story with her, so she will already have her powers when the movie begins and the Skrulls are going to be the bad guys, Ben Mendelsohn is supposedly going to be their leader.

Also not only is it a cheese, its also her name Cheese and cheese named peoples can save the world, who wouldnt want cheese to be their salvation?

It's a good thing to not include origin story, though I suspect they may go the Black Panther way (mentioning it or showing a small scene explaining the origin story. Black Panther did it with introducing the Hearts of Black Panther to those who ate it and experienced a strange dream-like journey to meet their fathers.)

The comments said Skrulls, but I was thinking of Brie and co in the sixth image as GL's (weird aliens, green/black matching uniforms, been reading Injustice 2). But isn't her movie meant to explain who she is and where her powers come from so IW2 can skip that?

And I'd rather have real cheese or Scarlett Witch save me.

I remember read it somewhere that she became part of Starforce, an elite Kree military unit. Most likely a heroic special forces of some kind. Considering that the members of the Starforce starred by some of the up-and-coming or well-known actors/actresses (I know Gemma Chan and Djimon Honsou. Consider Djimon Honsou is part of this Starforce and he is known as Korath, I suspect he might betrayed the team at some point or brainwashed.)

EDIT : This is weird. According to Wikipedia (not the most trusted source, but where else would I get a mention of a minor team?), Starforce was created as a supervillain team.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starforce

[Alvecia]

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Her outfit is fucking cool looking imo

Apparently we are getting a trailer or some kind of teaser today at some point

Found a bunch more images on imgur

She looks super dope

[The Huskar Social Union]

(Image)

Her outfit is fucking cool looking imo

Apparently we are getting a trailer or some kind of teaser today at some point

Found a bunch more images on imgur

She looks super dope

I know right, its one of my favourite costumes they have made

[Alvecia]

She looks super dope

I know right, its one of my favourite costumes they have made

Looks much better "on film" as well, which is what's important.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Possible opening to GotG 3 since Dave Bautista is very vocal about wanting Gunn to be rehired.

[Cannot think of a name]

Soooo close. I got a call to work on the Disney lot for an ABC show, wasn't Agents of Shield...bah.

[Lord Dominator]

Soooo close. I got a call to work on the Disney lot for an ABC show, wasn't Agents of Shield...bah.

Can you tell us what it is and did you take the job (or was it temp work already done)?