The Arrowverse Thread

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Arrow felt like a real copout.

Nobody important died from the island explosion. We all know Thea will survive that coma.

Yeah, it's a complete letdown after that finale. Assuming I haven't missed anyone, the only people whose fates are still up in the air are Nyssa, Talia, and what'sherfacemoodyteengirl. Nyssa's pretty minor (and they won't kill her anyway, because lesbian outrage), Talia's an out and out villain, and no one cares about the girl.

More generally, the episode felt pretty soulless. I don't really feel invested in Oliver's dad problems, they've dragged Quentin's Laurel angst out so long it's lost all impact, and Diggle's shell shock (or whatever) just feels false. Even Samantha's death felt rushed, like they were just trying to get her out the way.

I think Arrow's turning crap again. It's a real shame, because I think the main problem is character bloat; there simply isn't time in every episode to explore everyone's arcs, so it all just feels shallow. They had the perfect opportunity to trim the cast down, but they've thrown it away.

[Comapoom]

Was chatting here a while ago. Just am glad after last night, that I am not the only one who felt like Arrow was the biggest letdown. What a gyppy opening plot? Only redeeming part to me was when Slade was back. That could be made into an interesting Deathstroke plot.

I thought out of the four, the only half decent plot was the Flash.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Was chatting here a while ago. Just am glad after last night, that I am not the only one who felt like Arrow was the biggest letdown. What a gyppy opening plot? Only redeeming part to me was when Slade was back. That could be made into an interesting Deathstroke plot.

I thought out of the four, the only half decent plot was the Flash.

It's weird that infamous terrorist Slade Wilson (he of the distinctive appearance)`can just wander about a hospital in broad daylight. How many people did he kill in season 2? Hundreds?

[Ameriganastan]

Was chatting here a while ago. Just am glad after last night, that I am not the only one who felt like Arrow was the biggest letdown. What a gyppy opening plot? Only redeeming part to me was when Slade was back. That could be made into an interesting Deathstroke plot.

I thought out of the four, the only half decent plot was the Flash.

It's weird that infamous terrorist Slade Wilson (he of the distinctive appearance)`can just wander about a hospital in broad daylight. How many people did he kill in season 2? Hundreds?

I certainly wouldn't try to stop him. I like living.

[Ameriganastan]

For fucks sake, Supergirl. That episode was a trainwreck.

The villain was bland as Hell.
This Ruby kid is a pain.
Mopey Kara is still around.

And the coup de grace.

Her panic attacks were about GODDAMN MON-EL! No, no trauma from losing her planet or being stuck in a pod heading for a strange planet. No, her only trauma ever was about sending that bland fuckhead away.

Fucking Hell.

[Nation of Quebec]

Honestly right now Lena is probably the most interesting character along with Alex.

Average episode with an average villain and guest character.

For fucks sake Supergirl, stop making your main character constantly whine and mope about her (hopefully) dead boyfriend. Kara is better than this and it's frankly insulting to the character to have her act this way.

At least in Legends the characters don't act like this. They grieve if they have to and move on. Having a lead character who spends the first two episodes of a season moping is not how you start things off.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

"Look, if cavemen and astronauts got into a fight with a DJ and a band..."

Argh, so frustrating! Just like last week's episode of Arrow, they came so close to doing things right, and then just didn't. I didn't actually mind that the villain wasn't very interesting; those sorts are more about what their powers do to the protagonist.
What's annoying is turning Kara's claustrophobia into a Mon-El thing at the last minute.

[Ameriganastan]

Oh, and something I forgot to complain about.

The incredibly obvious seeds they planted to kill Alex and Maggie's relationship. About as subtle as a cow mallet to the temple.

Then again, this is The CW. So I'm not surprised...

[Nation of Quebec]

Oh, and something I forgot to complain about.

The incredibly obvious seeds they planted to kill Alex and Maggie's relationship. About as subtle as a cow mallet to the temple.

Then again, this is The CW. So I'm not surprised...

Agreed. Why go to all that length to set up their relationship only to kill it off? Alex and Maggie were one of the only enjoyable couples in the Arrowverse.

I know that Maggie's actress isn't a regular this season, but it seems like a cliche to do all this build up only to kill her off or break them up.

[Pilarcraft]

To be honest, last's week's episodes (I don't follow Supergirl, unfortunately, so I won't give an opinion on it) were all good.
Arrow's seems, at least, on par with last season's average episode, which is an improvement to the three seasons before it, and I hope they can keep this level of quality, and improve it.
Flash... well, as per usual I don't give a crap about barry, but the other characters are great. Caitlin has improved from last season, Cisco keeps being awesome, Joe and wally too. not sure about Iris though.
But, I have to admit the casualness and the overall fun and not at all serious tone of Legends wins the cake.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Oh, and something I forgot to complain about.

The incredibly obvious seeds they planted to kill Alex and Maggie's relationship. About as subtle as a cow mallet to the temple.

Then again, this is The CW. So I'm not surprised...

Agreed. Why go to all that length to set up their relationship only to kill it off? Alex and Maggie were one of the only enjoyable couples in the Arrowverse.

I know that Maggie's actress isn't a regular this season, but it seems like a cliche to do all this build up only to kill her off or break them up.

Having them get engaged at the end of last season was a really bad decision, considering they didn't have her signed to do a full second season. If they'd left them dating, they could have written a plausible break-up, rather than whatever narrative contortions they're going to put themselves through to get out of doing a wedding.

[Ameriganastan]

...What is going on here? The Flash was...fun? There were jokes? Awesome speed scenes? No mopey bullshit from anyone? Relationship stuff that didn't wanna make me jump off a bridge? Where has this show been?

[Ameriganastan]

Legends wasn't perfect, but still quite enjoyable.

That Sara-Sharpe throwdown was pretty sweet. And that double knockout. That shit had me rolling. Also, Mr. Sneezeums. Best name ever.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Definitely the best episode of the Flash in a long, long time.

Sure, the villain and his targets were boring, but those counselling scenes and Cisco's tech and whatnot were fun. It felt a lot like an episode of Legends, actually.

And another solid episode from Legends, but...

Oh, gosh, could every plot could be resolved in half the time if Stein and Jax didn't constantly split up. Just stay near each other, God dammit!

Didn't care much for Amaya's arc. That growling scene with Nate was a little narmy. And it turns out Nate's a whiny dick when it comes to break ups.

I imagine they don't have the budget to waste, but I'd love it if they kept the sabre-toothed cat around the waverider.

And SharpLance (yes, I'm calling it that) is obviously happening.

[Ameriganastan]

And SharpLance (yes, I'm calling it that) is obviously happening.

Totally. Surprised it didn't happen this episode.

[Nation of Quebec]

Both solid episodes of Flash and Legends.

Legends is off to a very strong start. It's not too often a TV show can make me laugh these days, but Legends manages to always accomplish that.

I like this new happy Barry. Where was he the past three seasons?

And SharpLance (yes, I'm calling it that) is obviously happening.

Totally. Surprised it didn't happen this episode.

I would not be surprised if that happens. It's just a matter of when.

Is it just me, or are the best Arrowverse romances the LGBT ones? I'm interested in seeing how they handle The Ray, who I believe appears during the crossover event, and what show he becomes a part of if he becomes a regular.

[Anxiety Cafe]

All premieres (except Supergirl) were very good to me. I like the new happy Barry, Legends has kept up its great tone. Arrow was good, but I was disappointed by the fact that only one person died. The whole island gets blown up, yet somehow everyone survives? Arrow's no stranger to death, so I was a little confused by this weird event (although most people who die come back to life eventually, so I guess they don't really kill anybody off). Supergirl took on Barry's moping behavior. She's not gonna die because Mon-El left. He wasn't even that great a character.

[Pilarcraft]

I am starting to think Legends is becoming a Sitcom. the Jokes, situational comedic scenes. especially that SharpLance fight scene.

[Anxiety Cafe]

I am starting to think Legends is becoming a Sitcom. the Jokes, situational comedic scenes. especially that SharpLance fight scene.

I loved that SharpLance fight scene though. Sure, it wasn't exactly fitting considering the situation, but it was hilarious.

[Ameriganastan]

This week on Arrow.

Anitoli has gone from being a cool jerk, to a regular jerk.
Oliver ain't afraid to throw shade at Bruce Wayne.
And Diggle is now the Green Arrow...I give it like, 2 episodes before Oliver takes it back.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

This week on Arrow.

Anitoli has gone from being a cool jerk, to a regular jerk.
Oliver ain't afraid to throw shade at Bruce Wayne.
And Diggle is now the Green Arrow...I give it like, 2 episodes before Oliver takes it back.

I'm sure Diggle will make an excellent Green Arrow, what with his minimal archery experience and motor issues.

[Ameriganastan]

This week on Arrow.

Anitoli has gone from being a cool jerk, to a regular jerk.
Oliver ain't afraid to throw shade at Bruce Wayne.
And Diggle is now the Green Arrow...I give it like, 2 episodes before Oliver takes it back.

I'm sure Diggle will make an excellent Green Arrow, what with his minimal archery experience and motor issues.

Also that.

I'm sure Oliver thought it was a nice gesture, but Diggle isn't exactly in great shape to be the city vigilante at the moment.

[Ameriganastan]

Supergirl.

Mars stuff was good.
Earth stuff was so heavy-handed and preachy, I kept expecting a Lifetime logo to pop up.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Wtf, episode? Why u no make sense?

"Eww, turns out my lesbian daughter kisses her lesbian fiancee. Better storm out in disgust!"

"They're building a wall to keep us out, even though there's no Trump in this universe." Presumably weird alien president accepts immigrants from outer space, but not from Mexico.

"I'm sorry M'gann, but I'm doing this for us. It may seem that I have no reasonable motivation to assault you now, but J'onn needs a reason to visit his childhood home. Gotta keep the episode moving."

If J'onn's dad knew that the evil white martians already knew where the staff was, why did he think the other white martians were trying to trick him into revealing its location?

Does Supergirl kill now? Or do white martians not count as people? Admittedly, it does sound like green martian mythology is really, really racist, so maybe that's rubbed off on her.

"Oh no, this thing we spent all episode looking for is basically a laser rifle. We couldn't possibly use it!"

Still, I liked J'onn's bits with his dad, even if the reasons for them were completely contrived.

[Ameriganastan]

"They're building a wall to keep us out, even though there's no Trump in this universe." Presumably weird alien president accepts immigrants from outer space, but not from Mexico.

Yeah, that's the bit that just reeked of someone in the writers room being political for the sake of being political.