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The New California Republic wrote:I'm actually intrigued regarding what a "modern Tamriel" would be like.

I was thinking something along the lines of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9U-rhVp1CQ

Andsed wrote:

The Imperial Reach wrote:Me thinking about the Aldmeri Dominion and the Thalmor:

Me thinking about how Numidium will return in the Fifth Era and destroy the Aldmeri Dominion by wiping the Altmer race from existence:

So genocide? I hate the Thalmor as much as the next sane person, but that is kinda taking it a bit far...

It's how the Thalmor came to be in the first place, even! Fun times.

The New California Republic wrote:I'm actually intrigued regarding what a "modern Tamriel" would be like.

Orc Cop!

San Lumen wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:I'm actually intrigued regarding what a "modern Tamriel" would be like.

I was thinking something along the lines of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9U-rhVp1CQ

Heloin wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:I'm actually intrigued regarding what a "modern Tamriel" would be like.

Orc Cop!

I think that due to the existence of magic, and actual gods that intervene in some things, as well as the existence of multiple different sentient species, that it would develop in a fundamentally different manner to what we would recognise. It would bear very few similarities to our world. Sure, comparing it to the Tamriel we know we'd be able to see that big strides have been made socially, politically, and technologically, but what form they would take is difficult to discern.

You know, one thing I legit don't understand is Talos using the Numidium to "convince" the Altmer to cease resisting. But like. I don't get the why. What was the point? Scaring the other provinces out of potentially revolting?

North German Realm wrote:You know, one thing I legit don't understand is Talos using the Numidium to "convince" the Altmer to cease resisting. But like. I don't get the why. What was the point? Scaring the other provinces out of potentially revolting?

The Altmer are easily the most talented mages on Tamriel. Fighting them and winning isn't a particularly easy feat. Besides Tiber Septim, the only other figure in Tamrielic history to conquer Summurset was Reman Cyrodiil. I imagine centuries of warfare in Cyrodiil and it's neighboring provinces (a.k.a, every province except High Rock and Summurset Isles) likely left them depleted of manpower. Not to mention he was likely aware of the numerous defeats the Maormer have suffered trying to invade the Isles, making them look almost impregnable. Using Numidium ensures he can conquer the province without suffering heavy casualties or a humiliating defeat, ensuring he can live up to the great Reman Cyrodiil that came before him.

The New California Republic wrote:

San Lumen wrote:I was thinking something along the lines of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9U-rhVp1CQ

Heloin wrote:Orc Cop!

I think that due to the existence of magic, and actual gods that intervene in some things, as well as the existence of multiple different sentient species, that it would develop in a fundamentally different manner to what we would recognise. It would bear very few similarities to our world. Sure, comparing it to the Tamriel we know we'd be able to see that big strides have been made socially, politically, and technologically, but what form they would take is difficult to discern.

How do you think it would be different? I could see steampunk becoming dominant

The Imperial Reach wrote:

North German Realm wrote:You know, one thing I legit don't understand is Talos using the Numidium to "convince" the Altmer to cease resisting. But like. I don't get the why. What was the point? Scaring the other provinces out of potentially revolting?

The Altmer are easily the most talented mages on Tamriel. Fighting them and winning isn't a particularly easy feat. Besides Tiber Septim, the only other figure in Tamrielic history to conquer Summurset was Reman Cyrodiil. I imagine centuries of warfare in Cyrodiil and it's neighboring provinces (a.k.a, every province except High Rock and Summurset Isles) likely left them depleted of manpower. Not to mention he was likely aware of the numerous defeats the Maormer have suffered trying to invade the Isles, making them look almost impregnable. Using Numidium ensures he can conquer the province without suffering heavy casualties or a humiliating defeat, ensuring he can live up to the great Reman Cyrodiil that came before him.

I get why he used the Numidium. I don't get why he decided invading the Isles was even worth the effort in the first place.

San Lumen wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:I think that due to the existence of magic, and actual gods that intervene in some things, as well as the existence of multiple different sentient species, that it would develop in a fundamentally different manner to what we would recognise. It would bear very few similarities to our world. Sure, comparing it to the Tamriel we know we'd be able to see that big strides have been made socially, politically, and technologically, but what form they would take is difficult to discern.

How do you think it would be different? I could see steampunk becoming dominant

I don't know. Magic would likely be heavily incorporated into any technological developments, but what that would look like I have no idea.

I still think that race will be an issue, that there will still be hate directed at orcs, elves, and argonians etc.

The New California Republic wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
How do you think it would be different? I could see steampunk becoming dominant

I don't know. Magic would likely be heavily incorporated into any technological developments, but what that would look like I have no idea.

I still think that race will be an issue, that there will still be hate directed at orcs, elves, and argonians etc.

I could see that becoming something similar to the ministry of magic but it’s not secret

Why would race still be issue? Opinions can change

North German Realm wrote:You know, one thing I legit don't understand is Talos using the Numidium to "convince" the Altmer to cease resisting. But like. I don't get the why. What was the point? Scaring the other provinces out of potentially revolting?

He couldn't beat the Altmeri navy - even his own propaganda books of the Pocket Guide to the Empire mention they were practically undefeated on the seas - so he forced them into submission through genocide at the hands of a time-breaking god machine that he previously tested for laughs in Elsweyr because nobody cares about the Khajiit anyways.

It's also worth noting that we don't really know much of Reman's conquest of Summerset, other than that even afterwards there was no Imperial presence there and Altmer still had full control of who got on their island and who didn't, making it somewhat likely that it was more of a "I'm going to pay you $100 to fuck off" kind of deal on the Altmeri side - nominally a part of the Empire but de facto much less so.

San Lumen wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:I don't know. Magic would likely be heavily incorporated into any technological developments, but what that would look like I have no idea.

I still think that race will be an issue, that there will still be hate directed at orcs, elves, and argonians etc.

I could see that becoming something similar to the ministry of magic but it’s not secret

Why would race still be issue? Opinions can change

Rawanda became a slaughter for a people who have no discernible differences between each other. Imagine a world were those differences do exist.

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:

North German Realm wrote:You know, one thing I legit don't understand is Talos using the Numidium to "convince" the Altmer to cease resisting. But like. I don't get the why. What was the point? Scaring the other provinces out of potentially revolting?

He couldn't beat the Altmeri navy - even his own propaganda books of the Pocket Guide to the Empire mention they were practically undefeated on the seas - so he forced them into submission through genocide at the hands of a time-breaking god machine that he previously tested for laughs in Elsweyr because nobody cares about the Khajiit anyways.

Again. I get why he used the Numidium. I don't get why he thought "let's attack the Altmer" was a good idea in the first place.

North German Realm wrote:

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:He couldn't beat the Altmeri navy - even his own propaganda books of the Pocket Guide to the Empire mention they were practically undefeated on the seas - so he forced them into submission through genocide at the hands of a time-breaking god machine that he previously tested for laughs in Elsweyr because nobody cares about the Khajiit anyways.

Again. I get why he used the Numidium. I don't get why he thought "let's attack the Altmer" was a good idea in the first place.

Because he wanted to rule the entire known, mapped world?

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:

North German Realm wrote:Again. I get why he used the Numidium. I don't get why he thought "let's attack the Altmer" was a good idea in the first place.

Because he wanted to rule the entire known, mapped world?

Fair enough.

Tiber being a power hungry prick stopping at nothing to get what he wants is pretty much his single, well-defined character trait - whether it's the mass murder of innocents or backstabbing his closest associates, he'll do it and has done it repeatedly.

North German Realm wrote:

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:He couldn't beat the Altmeri navy - even his own propaganda books of the Pocket Guide to the Empire mention they were practically undefeated on the seas - so he forced them into submission through genocide at the hands of a time-breaking god machine that he previously tested for laughs in Elsweyr because nobody cares about the Khajiit anyways.

Again. I get why he used the Numidium. I don't get why he thought "let's attack the Altmer" was a good idea in the first place.

Because clearly Talos was an RTS player and that means blobbing everything in sight regardless of how good of a idea it is.

San Lumen wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:I don't know. Magic would likely be heavily incorporated into any technological developments, but what that would look like I have no idea.

I still think that race will be an issue, that there will still be hate directed at orcs, elves, and argonians etc.

I could see that becoming something similar to the ministry of magic but it’s not secret

Why would race still be issue? Opinions can change

I see our world where the same issue still exists, and looking at the level of racial tensions evident in ES makes me conclude that it is going to be an issue for the long haul, even into the "modern Tamriel" we are discussing.

If were talking about a mordern day Tamriel something I would love to see is the status of Orsinium and the Orcs. Because if I remember correctly the Orcs do not really have a province to call theirs like the other races do and Orsinium has been destroyed and rebuilt in other areas. I wonder if in a modern Tamriel we would see some kind of Orc state. Sort of the whole Israel kind of thing.

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:Tiber being a power hungry prick stopping at nothing to get what he wants is pretty much his single, well-defined character trait - whether it's the mass murder of innocents or backstabbing his closest associates, he'll do it and has done it repeatedly.

And is seen as a God among Nords, and the other races of Men before the Great War for doing what not even Alessia's heirs nor Reman's heirs could, conquer the whole of Tamriel and bring the peace and stability to the continent.

Andsed wrote:If were talking about a mordern day Tamriel something I would love to see is the status of Orsinium and the Orcs. Because if I remember correctly the Orcs do not really have a province to call theirs like the other races do and Orsinium has been destroyed and rebuilt in other areas. I wonder if in a modern Tamriel we would see some kind of Orc state. Sort of the whole Israel kind of thing.

Orsinium has been destroyed three times, with the fourth (which started being constructed in the Fourth Era) opting for a change of location to the Dragontail Mountains, in contrast to the previous three which were in the Wrothgarian Mountains.

Fast forwarding to this "modern Tamriel" we are talking about, I don't hold out much hope for the fourth iteration of Orsinium lasting very long, so who knows what iteration of Orsinium would exist by that point. The Orcs might have finally settled down in a stable Orsinium, or just opted for going fully nomadic, or been assimilated into whatever other nation/s exist by that point.

North German Realm wrote:

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:He couldn't beat the Altmeri navy - even his own propaganda books of the Pocket Guide to the Empire mention they were practically undefeated on the seas - so he forced them into submission through genocide at the hands of a time-breaking god machine that he previously tested for laughs in Elsweyr because nobody cares about the Khajiit anyways.

Again. I get why he used the Numidium. I don't get why he thought "let's attack the Altmer" was a good idea in the first place.

Guy was a power-hungry conqueror on a winning streak, so why would he stop?

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:Tiber being a power hungry prick stopping at nothing to get what he wants is pretty much his single, well-defined character trait - whether it's the mass murder of innocents or backstabbing his closest associates, he'll do it and has done it repeatedly.

Ironically he's still the best ruler Tamriel has ever had seeing as he, y'know, almost single-handedly brought peace to Tamriel for centuries to come (excluding those bits where his descendants fucked up that peace).

The New California Republic wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
I could see that becoming something similar to the ministry of magic but it’s not secret

Why would race still be issue? Opinions can change

I see our world where the same issue still exists, and looking at the level of racial tensions evident in ES makes me conclude that it is going to be an issue for the long haul, even into the "modern Tamriel" we are discussing.

Just like in our world racism hasn’t fully gone away and in so called modern Tamriel it would probably still exist to a degree

The New California Republic wrote:

Andsed wrote:If were talking about a mordern day Tamriel something I would love to see is the status of Orsinium and the Orcs. Because if I remember correctly the Orcs do not really have a province to call theirs like the other races do and Orsinium has been destroyed and rebuilt in other areas. I wonder if in a modern Tamriel we would see some kind of Orc state. Sort of the whole Israel kind of thing.

Orsinium has been destroyed three times, with the fourth (which started being constructed in the Fourth Era) opting for a change of location to the Dragontail Mountains, in contrast to the previous three which were in the Wrothgarian Mountains.

Fast forwarding to this "modern Tamriel" we are talking about, I don't hold out much hope for the fourth iteration of Orsinium lasting very long, so who knows what iteration of Orsinium would exist by that point. The Orcs might have finally settled down in a stable Orsinium, or just opted for going fully nomadic, or been assimilated into whatever other nation/s exist by that point.

I could see assimilation or a Orc state existing in this this hypothetical future

The Imperial Reach wrote:

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:Tiber being a power hungry prick stopping at nothing to get what he wants is pretty much his single, well-defined character trait - whether it's the mass murder of innocents or backstabbing his closest associates, he'll do it and has done it repeatedly.

Ironically he's still the best ruler Tamriel has ever had seeing as he, y'know, almost single-handedly brought peace to Tamriel for centuries to come (excluding those bits where his descendants fucked up that peace).

Peace? During his lifetime, maybe. Plenty of war within the Empire through the duration of the Third Empire and Tiber's actions are what result into the Thalmor coming to be what they are.

Genociding people into obedience until you die does not make you a good ruler, it just makes you a mass murdering maniac that people fear. The best ruler of the Third Empire was probably Katariah, who spent eighty years trying her best to fix the Septim line's mistakes before getting assassinated for being a Dunmer and not a Colovian on the Ruby Throne.

Dresderstan wrote:

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:Tiber being a power hungry prick stopping at nothing to get what he wants is pretty much his single, well-defined character trait - whether it's the mass murder of innocents or backstabbing his closest associates, he'll do it and has done it repeatedly.

And is seen as a God among Nords, and the other races of Men before the Great War for doing what not even Alessia's heirs nor Reman's heirs could, conquer the whole of Tamriel and bring the peace and stability to the continent.

He's barely even worshiped by the Nords at the end of the Third Era - only by the time of Skyrim is he actually worshiped as such by Nords. The Redguard aren't exactly favorable towards him as well - and stick to worshiping their own pantheon, without him - but yes, the Imperial Cult sure loves him and its pretty effective at enforcing its beliefs in places outside of Cyrodiil over the centuries.

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:

North German Realm wrote:You know, one thing I legit don't understand is Talos using the Numidium to "convince" the Altmer to cease resisting. But like. I don't get the why. What was the point? Scaring the other provinces out of potentially revolting?

He couldn't beat the Altmeri navy - even his own propaganda books of the Pocket Guide to the Empire mention they were practically undefeated on the seas - so he forced them into submission through genocide at the hands of a time-breaking god machine that he previously tested for laughs in Elsweyr because nobody cares about the Khajiit anyways.

It's also worth noting that we don't really know much of Reman's conquest of Summerset, other than that even afterwards there was no Imperial presence there and Altmer still had full control of who got on their island and who didn't, making it somewhat likely that it was more of a "I'm going to pay you $100 to fuck off" kind of deal on the Altmeri side - nominally a part of the Empire but de facto much less so.

I’ve seen a comparison with Imperial Rome and China for the Reman situation. Cyrodiil thought of Summerset as under Imperial influence because they paid tribute, kind of like how Imperial China demanded tribute from far off foreign territories at the height of their explorations but never moved to take any military action against them. From Summerset’s point of view, they were paying the “barbarians” a fee to just leave them alone and so still walked away feeling superior, which is something the Romans did with groups like the Huns.

Meanwhile, Tiber Septim probably didn’t want any ambiguity over his control of the continent, hence busting out the giant robot.