The Skyrim/Elder Scrolls thread

[San Lumen]

The people of Windhelm didn't want them. The people of Windhelm hate them and never wanted them. This isn't reading between the lines, it's not even vaguely subtle in game.

Then why are they still there? Seriously. By all accounts the former high King was practically Ulfrics puppet. If Ulfric really hadn't wanted them, they'd be gone.

You mean like the same pervasive sense of Racism you get from just about every Imperial Advisor? Every time they get snippy about Nords and their culture? Or how Tullius implies that Nords are literally lawless barbarians in need of civilizing?

It's not reading between the lines. You're missing the forest for the trees.

Perhaps they can’t afford to go elsewhere? Many were left with nothing after the eruption. Just because they are allowed in the city doesn’t mean their treatment isn’t racist.
A number of Nords are very nationalist and have a very bigoted attitude towards anyone not one of them. It’s literal racism and how you can’t see it is beyond me

[The Emerald Legion]

Then why are they still there? Seriously. By all accounts the former high King was practically Ulfrics puppet. If Ulfric really hadn't wanted them, they'd be gone.

You mean like the same pervasive sense of Racism you get from just about every Imperial Advisor? Every time they get snippy about Nords and their culture? Or how Tullius implies that Nords are literally lawless barbarians in need of civilizing?

It's not reading between the lines. You're missing the forest for the trees.

Perhaps they can’t afford to go elsewhere? Many were left with nothing after the eruption. Just because they are allowed in the city doesn’t mean their treatment isn’t racist.
A number of Nords are very nationalist and have a very bigoted attitude towards anyone not one of them. It’s literal racism and how you can’t see it is beyond me

Well, it's more that literally everyone is low key racist in Tamriel. So it's less 'they are entirely not racist.' and more 'they are no more or less racist than literally anyone else. And actually kind of less racist than the Dunmer.'

Take your exchange with Galmarr if you join the Stormcloaks. Even if you're a Nord he asks why a Foreigner wants to join. Same as if you were Imperial. And if you're not a Nord, you can ask if they only take Nords. He outright says no, but that he wants to be sure of your intentions because he doesn't want sellswords who don't believe in the cause of a free Skyrim and will happily accept non-nords who love Skyrim just as much.

And the event on the road where you run into a farmer off to join the Stormcloaks has an Imperial as the Farmer.

Also, remember, all property in a hold belongs to the Jarl. He has to personally approve each purchase of a home or other plot of land in the hold, and if Hjerim is any indication, it's less a purchase and more of a renting.

[San Lumen]

Perhaps they can’t afford to go elsewhere? Many were left with nothing after the eruption. Just because they are allowed in the city doesn’t mean their treatment isn’t racist.
A number of Nords are very nationalist and have a very bigoted attitude towards anyone not one of them. It’s literal racism and how you can’t see it is beyond me

Well, it's more that literally everyone is low key racist in Tamriel. So it's less 'they are entirely not racist.' and more 'they are no more or less racist than literally anyone else. And actually kind of less racist than the Dunmer.'

Take your exchange with Galmarr if you join the Stormcloaks. Even if you're a Nord he asks why a Foreigner wants to join. Same as if you were Imperial. And if you're not a Nord, you can ask if they only take Nords. He outright says no, but that he wants to be sure of your intentions because he doesn't want sellswords who don't believe in the cause of a free Skyrim and will happily accept non-nords who love Skyrim just as much.

And the event on the road where you run into a farmer off to join the Stormcloaks has an Imperial as the Farmer.

Also, remember, all property in a hold belongs to the Jarl. He has to personally approve each purchase of a home or other plot of land in the hold, and if Hjerim is any indication, it's less a purchase and more of a renting.

Really everyone is low key racist?

Why do you keep trying to use the PC as an example? The rules are different for you. The same goes for buying a house.

what makes you think that Dunmer won't be told to piss off when he gets to Windhelm?

[The Emerald Legion]

Well, it's more that literally everyone is low key racist in Tamriel. So it's less 'they are entirely not racist.' and more 'they are no more or less racist than literally anyone else. And actually kind of less racist than the Dunmer.'

Take your exchange with Galmarr if you join the Stormcloaks. Even if you're a Nord he asks why a Foreigner wants to join. Same as if you were Imperial. And if you're not a Nord, you can ask if they only take Nords. He outright says no, but that he wants to be sure of your intentions because he doesn't want sellswords who don't believe in the cause of a free Skyrim and will happily accept non-nords who love Skyrim just as much.

And the event on the road where you run into a farmer off to join the Stormcloaks has an Imperial as the Farmer.

Also, remember, all property in a hold belongs to the Jarl. He has to personally approve each purchase of a home or other plot of land in the hold, and if Hjerim is any indication, it's less a purchase and more of a renting.

Really everyone is low key racist?

Why do you keep trying to use the PC as an example? The rules are different for you. The same goes for buying a house.

what makes you think that Dunmer won't be told to piss off when he gets to Windhelm?

No. The rules are not different for you. The thing for buying a house is reinforced by what Gerdur says in Riverwood.

Because he outright says that he's willing to accept elves. Like you can't just right off the interactions with the world you dislike. Particularly when it's clear it's not an oversight because it gets addressed.

Also, yes.

[San Lumen]

Really everyone is low key racist?

Why do you keep trying to use the PC as an example? The rules are different for you. The same goes for buying a house.

what makes you think that Dunmer won't be told to piss off when he gets to Windhelm?

No. The rules are not different for you. The thing for buying a house is reinforced by what Gerdur says in Riverwood.

Because he outright says that he's willing to accept elves. Like you can't just right off the interactions with the world you dislike. Particularly when it's clear it's not an oversight because it gets addressed.

Also, yes.

PC is exempt and subject to different rules. They didn’t want you locked out of certain quests and places. What part of this do you not get?

[The Emerald Legion]

No. The rules are not different for you. The thing for buying a house is reinforced by what Gerdur says in Riverwood.

Because he outright says that he's willing to accept elves. Like you can't just right off the interactions with the world you dislike. Particularly when it's clear it's not an oversight because it gets addressed.

Also, yes.

PC is exempt and subject to different rules. They didn’t want you locked out of certain quests and places. What part of this do you not get?

That's an excuse. A pretty lame one too given there's plenty of examples against it.

The only ones who are entirely disallowed from entering cities are Khajiit. And even that's questionable since the Solitude Lighthouse Keeper and some of Mavens Thugs are Khajiit.

[Genivaria]

PC is exempt and subject to different rules. They didn’t want you locked out of certain quests and places. What part of this do you not get?

That's an excuse. A pretty lame one too given there's plenty of examples against it.

The only ones who are entirely disallowed from entering cities are Khajiit. And even that's questionable since the Solitude Lighthouse Keeper and some of Mavens Thugs are Khajiit.

I'm getting the impression you haven't played Skyrim at all if you think what race you are plays any meaningful role.
There's mainly the comment Hadvar gives you at the beginning and maybe a different side comment from an NPC and that's pretty much it.

[The Huskar Social Union]

That's an excuse. A pretty lame one too given there's plenty of examples against it.

The only ones who are entirely disallowed from entering cities are Khajiit. And even that's questionable since the Solitude Lighthouse Keeper and some of Mavens Thugs are Khajiit.

I'm getting the impression you haven't played Skyrim at all if you think what race you are plays any meaningful role.
There's mainly the comment Hadvar gives you at the beginning and maybe a different side comment from an NPC and that's pretty much it.

The Stormcloaks ask why a non Nord would fight for them in the civil war storyline but i cant remember any other major instance of it off the top of my head

[The Emerald Legion]

I'm getting the impression you haven't played Skyrim at all if you think what race you are plays any meaningful role.
There's mainly the comment Hadvar gives you at the beginning and maybe a different side comment from an NPC and that's pretty much it.

The Stormcloaks ask why a non Nord would fight for them in the civil war storyline but i cant remember any other major instance of it off the top of my head

There's little stuff. The Dunmer in the Gray quarter react differently to a Nord or Dunmer for example. The things the various guards say changes too.

[The Huskar Social Union]

The Stormcloaks ask why a non Nord would fight for them in the civil war storyline but i cant remember any other major instance of it off the top of my head

There's little stuff. The Dunmer in the Gray quarter react differently to a Nord or Dunmer for example. The things the various guards say changes too.

Now i remember that dark elves call you Sera when playing as a dark elf as well.


Which was weird as the first dark elf i ever played was called Sera so it freaked me out when a Raven Rock guard said that to me.

[The Imperial Reach]

That's an excuse. A pretty lame one too given there's plenty of examples against it.

The only ones who are entirely disallowed from entering cities are Khajiit. And even that's questionable since the Solitude Lighthouse Keeper and some of Mavens Thugs are Khajiit.

I'm getting the impression you haven't played Skyrim at all if you think what race you are plays any meaningful role.
There's mainly the comment Hadvar gives you at the beginning and maybe a different side comment from an NPC and that's pretty much it.

That's literally all it affects. Dialogue. It has no impact on anything, because Bethesda's too lazy/cowardly to subject the player to actual discrimination based on race despite it being all around them and happening to everyone except the PC because the PC is super-duper-special.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Apparently if you sneak into Mercer’s house without killing Vald in the Thieves Guild questline, he continues to exist as a hostile and will eventually jump the fence to beat on you if you hang around Riften too long.

[The Islands of Versilia]

I'm getting the impression you haven't played Skyrim at all if you think what race you are plays any meaningful role.
There's mainly the comment Hadvar gives you at the beginning and maybe a different side comment from an NPC and that's pretty much it.

That's literally all it affects. Dialogue. It has no impact on anything, because Bethesda's too lazy/cowardly to subject the player to actual discrimination based on race despite it being all around them and happening to everyone except the PC because the PC is super-duper-special.

Wasn’t the PC subject to legitimate racism and discrimination in Oblivion depending on their race?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Guys we need more Racism no joke

edit: in Elder scrolls games obviously between fictional races, it would make a lot of sense given the relations between certain groups. Not in real life.

[Andsed]

Guys we need more Racism no joke

edit: in Elder scrolls games obviously between fictional races, it would make a lot of sense given the relations between certain groups. Not in real life.

This is [Insert News Site Here] with a new breaking story! Gamers, are racist! Some Irish bloke on some random site on July 29th said ¨Guys, we need more Racism no joke.¨ Are we gonna give context to this? No because we are just here to demonize people and get a quick clickbait headline!

[San Lumen]

I'm getting the impression you haven't played Skyrim at all if you think what race you are plays any meaningful role.
There's mainly the comment Hadvar gives you at the beginning and maybe a different side comment from an NPC and that's pretty much it.

That's literally all it affects. Dialogue. It has no impact on anything, because Bethesda's too lazy/cowardly to subject the player to actual discrimination based on race despite it being all around them and happening to everyone except the PC because the PC is super-duper-special.

It would have be interesting to put that in but I agree they are too lazy to do it and then it leads to arguments like their is no racism in game because the PC is exempt

[Ism]

That's literally all it affects. Dialogue. It has no impact on anything, because Bethesda's too lazy/cowardly to subject the player to actual discrimination based on race despite it being all around them and happening to everyone except the PC because the PC is super-duper-special.

Wasn’t the PC subject to legitimate racism and discrimination in Oblivion depending on their race?

The Disposition system of Oblivion did have different races have different biases based on the PC's race, most races for instance started with a low opinion of Orcs, for instance. The Personality attribute also played a role in this. Beyond that, a few quests might have had some racism thrown at the PC, can't recall too clearly. If nothing else, the Countess of Leyawiin outright tells Khajiit, Argonian and I believe Orsimer PCs that the city would be better if they kicked all of them out. The Count is cool though, considering he's willing to make Mazoga a proper knight. I also think there was a Khajiit you had to deal with during the Thieve's Guild who was very racist against Argonians, and would make comments along that line to an Argonian PC. Really, Leyawiin in general is where you'll find the most in-your-face racism in TES IV. Oh, there''s also Valen Dreth, literally the first person you meet in the game is a racist internet troll. But, I don't remember anything where completing a quest or getting a quest wouldn't happen because of your race though. You'd probably have to go back to Morrowind for that, and even then, it's not like you couldn't take control of House Telvanni as an Argonian or Khajiit if you so desired.

[Genivaria]

Guys we need more Racism no joke

edit: in Elder scrolls games obviously between fictional races, it would make a lot of sense given the relations between certain groups. Not in real life.

Like Dragon Age Origins level racism?
Also my GF looks at me weird whenever I call a Mer a 'knife-ear'.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Guys we need more Racism no joke

edit: in Elder scrolls games obviously between fictional races, it would make a lot of sense given the relations between certain groups. Not in real life.

Like Dragon Age Origins level racism?
Also my GF looks at me weird whenever I call a Mer a 'knife-ear'.

Well of course! That's what you call the Eldar.

[The Imperial Reach]

Wasn’t the PC subject to legitimate racism and discrimination in Oblivion depending on their race?

The Disposition system of Oblivion did have different races have different biases based on the PC's race, most races for instance started with a low opinion of Orcs, for instance. The Personality attribute also played a role in this. Beyond that, a few quests might have had some racism thrown at the PC, can't recall too clearly. If nothing else, the Countess of Leyawiin outright tells Khajiit, Argonian and I believe Orsimer PCs that the city would be better if they kicked all of them out. The Count is cool though, considering he's willing to make Mazoga a proper knight. I also think there was a Khajiit you had to deal with during the Thieve's Guild who was very racist against Argonians, and would make comments along that line to an Argonian PC. Really, Leyawiin in general is where you'll find the most in-your-face racism in TES IV. Oh, there''s also Valen Dreth, literally the first person you meet in the game is a racist internet troll. But, I don't remember anything where completing a quest or getting a quest wouldn't happen because of your race though. You'd probably have to go back to Morrowind for that, and even then, it's not like you couldn't take control of House Telvanni as an Argonian or Khajiit if you so desired.

First time I played Oblivion was as a Dunmer and I made sure to go through every single quest there was. Never had any racism thrown against me. Not even verbal. Everybody was pretty chill, even the assholes.

[The Imperial Reach]

Like Dragon Age Origins level racism?
Also my GF looks at me weird whenever I call a Mer a 'knife-ear'.

Well of course! That's what you call the Eldar.

A KNIFE-EAR IS A KNIFE-EAR

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yeah but some Knife Ears are fit tho

[The Blaatschapen]

Guys we need more Racism no joke

edit: in Elder scrolls games obviously between fictional races, it would make a lot of sense given the relations between certain groups. Not in real life.

Like Dragon Age Origins level racism?
Also my GF looks at me weird whenever I call a Mer a 'knife-ear'.

Start playing with one and call him Vincent.

[Ism]

The Disposition system of Oblivion did have different races have different biases based on the PC's race, most races for instance started with a low opinion of Orcs, for instance. The Personality attribute also played a role in this. Beyond that, a few quests might have had some racism thrown at the PC, can't recall too clearly. If nothing else, the Countess of Leyawiin outright tells Khajiit, Argonian and I believe Orsimer PCs that the city would be better if they kicked all of them out. The Count is cool though, considering he's willing to make Mazoga a proper knight. I also think there was a Khajiit you had to deal with during the Thieve's Guild who was very racist against Argonians, and would make comments along that line to an Argonian PC. Really, Leyawiin in general is where you'll find the most in-your-face racism in TES IV. Oh, there''s also Valen Dreth, literally the first person you meet in the game is a racist internet troll. But, I don't remember anything where completing a quest or getting a quest wouldn't happen because of your race though. You'd probably have to go back to Morrowind for that, and even then, it's not like you couldn't take control of House Telvanni as an Argonian or Khajiit if you so desired.

First time I played Oblivion was as a Dunmer and I made sure to go through every single quest there was. Never had any racism thrown against me. Not even verbal. Everybody was pretty chill, even the assholes.

As I said, the first person you meet in the game will throw some racist comments at you, but it's limited to some races. Looks like the Orsimer, Argonians, Khajiit, Bretons and to a lesser extent Altmer and male Nords get racist comments, while Breton, Dunmer, Nord and to a lesser extent, Redguard and Bosmer women get sexist comments.

Can't really say there's much racism against Dunmer in Oblivion, though there are some comments about Count Indarys only getting his position due to political connections, and one about how one of the reasons he's unfit for his position is his race. There's also Alessia Ottus's various Guidebooks, the Cheydinhall one definitely has some casual racism thrown in against Dunmer. But, like I said, Orsimer, Argonians and Khajiit are on the receiving end of most of the racism in the game.

[The first Galactic Republic]

> Challenged by the Ebony Warrior
> He just stands there waiting to be attacked
> Go for the 30x backstab

RIP to a real one