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What is your favorite Skyrim hold?

Whiterun
78
25%
Hjaalmarch (Morthal)
10
3%
Falkreath
31
10%
The Pale (Dawnstar)
8
3%
The Reach (Markarth)
42
14%
Haafingar (Solitude)
47
15%
Eastmarch (Windhelm)
19
6%
Winterhold
20
6%
The Rift (Riften)
55
18%
 
Total votes : 310

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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:19 am

The Imperial Reach wrote:Canonically speaking we know for a fact that TLD had earned a spot in Sovngarde, and yet also - unwillingly - became the champion of Hermaeus Mora and like Miraak will thus be bound to Apocrypha.

No one else has a canonical claim on TLD's soul. For one thing, none of the other Daedric quests mention TLD being bound to those Daedra.

Being a Werewolf, Vampire, or Nightingale are the only other means by which to bypass defeat death destinations in the game yet because they are all optional it's unlikely that Hircine, Molag Bal, or Nocturnal will get a say on the matter canonically.

More thank likely TLD will be denied Sovngarde by Hermaeus Mora who will probably kidnap them while they're alive like he did Miraak. We'll then hear in a future game (possibly TES6) some uncorroborated legend about the Warriors of Sovngarde stopping at Apocrypha to free TLD before raiding Hircine's Hunting Grounds.


TLD being trapped in Mora’s realm makes the most sense when it comes to where TLD will end up during or before the events of TESVI. The Hero of Kvatch’s story ended with them mantling Sheo, it’s most likely TLD’s story will end with them trapped in Apocrypha.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:51 am

The Imperial Reach wrote:Canonically speaking we know for a fact that TLD had earned a spot in Sovngarde, and yet also - unwillingly - became the champion of Hermaeus Mora and like Miraak will thus be bound to Apocrypha.

No one else has a canonical claim on TLD's soul. For one thing, none of the other Daedric quests mention TLD being bound to those Daedra.

Being a Werewolf, Vampire, or Nightingale are the only other means by which to bypass defeat death destinations in the game yet because they are all optional it's unlikely that Hircine, Molag Bal, or Nocturnal will get a say on the matter canonically.

More thank likely TLD will be denied Sovngarde by Hermaeus Mora who will probably kidnap them while they're alive like he did Miraak. We'll then hear in a future game (possibly TES6) some uncorroborated legend about the Warriors of Sovngarde stopping at Apocrypha to free TLD before raiding Hircine's Hunting Grounds.


I do like the idea of the Warriors of Sovngarde pillaging around Oblivion to free TLD and return him to Sovngarde.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:13 am

Valrifell wrote:
The Imperial Reach wrote:Canonically speaking we know for a fact that TLD had earned a spot in Sovngarde, and yet also - unwillingly - became the champion of Hermaeus Mora and like Miraak will thus be bound to Apocrypha.

No one else has a canonical claim on TLD's soul. For one thing, none of the other Daedric quests mention TLD being bound to those Daedra.

Being a Werewolf, Vampire, or Nightingale are the only other means by which to bypass defeat death destinations in the game yet because they are all optional it's unlikely that Hircine, Molag Bal, or Nocturnal will get a say on the matter canonically.

More thank likely TLD will be denied Sovngarde by Hermaeus Mora who will probably kidnap them while they're alive like he did Miraak. We'll then hear in a future game (possibly TES6) some uncorroborated legend about the Warriors of Sovngarde stopping at Apocrypha to free TLD before raiding Hircine's Hunting Grounds.


I do like the idea of the Warriors of Sovngarde pillaging around Oblivion to free TLD and return him to Sovngarde.

If we ever get an Elder Scrolls 6 that could make for a pretty awesome quest.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:17 am

TLD depending on the choices you make is gona be a fucking Yoyo extraordinaire between Hircine, Sithis, Mora and Sovngarde and depending on your race something else too.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:19 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:TLD depending on the choices you make is gona be a fucking Yoyo extraordinaire between Hircine, Sithis, Mora and Sovngarde and depending on your race something else too.

I saw the suggestion online of some Daedric battle royal between all the princes you helped over your soul. Which in terms of settings would be pretty interesting to play in.
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Postby The Imperial Reach » Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:06 am

I don't think doing Daedric Quests automatically means your soul belongs to them. Running errands for them in exchange for dope artifacts is a bit different from actively worshipping them and doing their every bidding.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:10 am

The Imperial Reach wrote:I don't think doing Daedric Quests automatically means your soul belongs to them. Running errands for them in exchange for dope artifacts is a bit different from actively worshipping them and doing their every bidding.

Well if you become a werewolf, Hircine gets your soul unless you do that mission in the companions questline. Mora calls dibs on you when you defeat Miraak and i think if you are a vampire Molag Bal gets a way in there maybe? Im not sure about that last one.
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Postby Immoren » Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:15 am

Now I forgot if it was actually thing in TES mythology, But I wonder if mortal souls could be sundered into pieces, like some divines have been.
Instant TLD dies, their soul shatters into equal pieces for all the owners. .
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Postby Ism » Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:19 pm

Immoren wrote:Now I forgot if it was actually thing in TES mythology, But I wonder if mortal souls could be sundered into pieces, like some divines have been.
Instant TLD dies, their soul shatters into equal pieces for all the owners. .


We'll call it a Dragonborn Break.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:56 pm

So apparently if you wear hooded thalmor robes in the diplomatic immunity quest you can walk past all the thalmor soldiers as long as you are a high elf. Well i tried that, didnt work and they still attacked on sight, so i guess im just gona murder them all.
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Postby Ism » Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:31 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:So apparently if you wear hooded thalmor robes in the diplomatic immunity quest you can walk past all the thalmor soldiers as long as you are a high elf. Well i tried that, didnt work and they still attacked on sight, so i guess im just gona murder them all.


You just didn't act like a big enough asshole Huskar.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:53 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:So apparently if you wear hooded thalmor robes in the diplomatic immunity quest you can walk past all the thalmor soldiers as long as you are a high elf. Well i tried that, didnt work and they still attacked on sight, so i guess im just gona murder them all.

I kill all of them. Those holier than thou elves deserve it

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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:10 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:So apparently if you wear hooded thalmor robes in the diplomatic immunity quest you can walk past all the thalmor soldiers as long as you are a high elf. Well i tried that, didnt work and they still attacked on sight, so i guess im just gona murder them all.


If you’re walking and don’t get too close you can pull it off. The mage at the door of the solar you’ll need to persuade but before that you’re able to do it. The NPCs in the solar will still attack you, however.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:02 pm

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The Huskar Social Union wrote:Yeah like you can literally walk up to a woman who has never seen you before, cut a single piece of firewood then wack on a bit of jewellery and she agrees to marry you.


lol what


It always made me feel the least weird to marry Muiri. Who's conditions at least make sense. Or Brylena. Who also at least requires a funny scene.

That was one of my favorite moments in the game. I burst out laughing every time i see it.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:13 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:So apparently if you wear hooded thalmor robes in the diplomatic immunity quest you can walk past all the thalmor soldiers as long as you are a high elf. Well i tried that, didnt work and they still attacked on sight, so i guess im just gona murder them all.


If you’re walking and don’t get too close you can pull it off. The mage at the door of the solar you’ll need to persuade but before that you’re able to do it. The NPCs in the solar will still attack you, however.

I was walking but the second i entered a room with any thalmor soldiers they rushed me, even when they were across the room.

Im wondering if maybe the fact im a vampire has any influence on it? But my vampirism level is quite low atm and NPC's dont attack me on sight anywhere else.
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The Huskar Social Union wrote:So apparently if you wear hooded thalmor robes in the diplomatic immunity quest you can walk past all the thalmor soldiers as long as you are a high elf. Well i tried that, didnt work and they still attacked on sight, so i guess im just gona murder them all.


You just didn't act like a big enough asshole Huskar.
Should have just kicked down the door and yelled "These fucking mong Nords am i right?"
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:38 am

Had the most random encounter ever last night. I was in the snowy mountains near Solitude and a Sabre cat appears just as I start to fight it Vilkus and Ria appear out of nowhere and help me beat it

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Postby Ism » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:59 am

San Lumen wrote:Had the most random encounter ever last night. I was in the snowy mountains near Solitude and a Sabre cat appears just as I start to fight it Vilkus and Ria appear out of nowhere and help me beat it


Actually had the same encounter last night, though by the time I found the sabre cat it was already dead.

On that note, though my current character is a battlemage who uses a sword and wears heavy armor, I'm not sure she'll be joining the Companions. Ever since I did one of their radiant quests and was told to go beat up some random guy, I've been pretty sour on the whole group.

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Postby Valrifell » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:03 am

Ism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Had the most random encounter ever last night. I was in the snowy mountains near Solitude and a Sabre cat appears just as I start to fight it Vilkus and Ria appear out of nowhere and help me beat it


Actually had the same encounter last night, though by the time I found the sabre cat it was already dead.

On that note, though my current character is a battlemage who uses a sword and wears heavy armor, I'm not sure she'll be joining the Companions. Ever since I did one of their radiant quests and was told to go beat up some random guy, I've been pretty sour on the whole group.


I'm pretty sure the Companions are pretty sour on mages anyway, so that tracks.
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Postby Ism » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:17 am

Valrifell wrote:
Ism wrote:
Actually had the same encounter last night, though by the time I found the sabre cat it was already dead.

On that note, though my current character is a battlemage who uses a sword and wears heavy armor, I'm not sure she'll be joining the Companions. Ever since I did one of their radiant quests and was told to go beat up some random guy, I've been pretty sour on the whole group.


I'm pretty sure the Companions are pretty sour on mages anyway, so that tracks.


True, but even if I was just playing a sword-and-board warrior I'd probably stay away. They just kind of seem like assholes.

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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:23 am

Ism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Had the most random encounter ever last night. I was in the snowy mountains near Solitude and a Sabre cat appears just as I start to fight it Vilkus and Ria appear out of nowhere and help me beat it


Actually had the same encounter last night, though by the time I found the sabre cat it was already dead.

On that note, though my current character is a battlemage who uses a sword and wears heavy armor, I'm not sure she'll be joining the Companions. Ever since I did one of their radiant quests and was told to go beat up some random guy, I've been pretty sour on the whole group.


To me the Companions are little more than barely dignified hired thugs, if that. I’ve only ever joined them for the Skyforge and Ysgramor’s Shield.
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Postby Ism » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:25 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:
Ism wrote:
Actually had the same encounter last night, though by the time I found the sabre cat it was already dead.

On that note, though my current character is a battlemage who uses a sword and wears heavy armor, I'm not sure she'll be joining the Companions. Ever since I did one of their radiant quests and was told to go beat up some random guy, I've been pretty sour on the whole group.


To me the Companions are little more than barely dignified hired thugs, if that. I’ve only ever joined them for the Skyforge and Ysgramor’s Shield.


Yeah, I much prefer the Fighters Guild from Oblivion. They were more honest about being mercenaries, and seemed more heroic despite this.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:25 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:
Ism wrote:
Actually had the same encounter last night, though by the time I found the sabre cat it was already dead.

On that note, though my current character is a battlemage who uses a sword and wears heavy armor, I'm not sure she'll be joining the Companions. Ever since I did one of their radiant quests and was told to go beat up some random guy, I've been pretty sour on the whole group.


To me the Companions are little more than barely dignified hired thugs, if that. I’ve only ever joined them for the Skyforge and Ysgramor’s Shield.

What makes you say that?

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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:27 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Islands of Versilia wrote:
To me the Companions are little more than barely dignified hired thugs, if that. I’ve only ever joined them for the Skyforge and Ysgramor’s Shield.

What makes you say that?


What heroic band of warriors goes around intimidating civilians?
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:29 am

Ism wrote:
The Islands of Versilia wrote:
To me the Companions are little more than barely dignified hired thugs, if that. I’ve only ever joined them for the Skyforge and Ysgramor’s Shield.


Yeah, I much prefer the Fighters Guild from Oblivion. They were more honest about being mercenaries, and seemed more heroic despite this.


That and the whole lycanthropy. I kinda hated how it was forced on you to continue the storyline. I would’ve liked to cure Kodlak and the others without degrading to beasthood.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:30 am

The Companions always gave me the impression of a group of heroic warriors way past their heyday. I just wish there was more to their story and i think the Silver Dawn should have played a larger role.
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