The Skyrim/Elder Scrolls thread

[Valrifell]

You can live with the Silver-Bloods? They're 200% worse than all the Black-Briars combined.

Not only have they been enabling the Forsworn and allowing them to butcher people in the streets of Markarth, but they do this all to protect their own interests.

At least Maven gets points for not having people cut down in cold blood on the streets and then covering it up. The Silver-Bloods are backing a genocidal terrorist death cult to further their own interests. Maven's just a glorified mob boss by comparison.



She's spent the last 20 years in hiding, unable to trust anyone save a select few people, and has had no one to answer to.

She's forgot what it means to be a Blade and how to follow orders. TLD is just some young, know-nothing upstart and she can't look past that because of her own ego.

The player should've had the chance to humble her, but instead she gets what she wants like a spoiled brat because Bethesda can't write for shit.

I still hate Maven and will never put her in power.

I wish you had the opportunity as well. Instead unless Parthy dies which I flat out refuse to do she will have nothing more to do with you to which my answer is fine it’s time for your order to die and you hopefully history remembers you kindly

Why be a virgin power hungry dragon slayer when you can be a chad warrior-monk who has the potential for mass violence and power but restrains their inner dragon and sits in a mountain all day?

[Katganistan]

wot

Imperials used to not exist either. Khajiit used to look human, and orcs were just enemies in Arena.

Some Khajit look very human, and some look like domesticated housecats, according to the Lore. It depends under which moon they were born.

[San Lumen]

I still hate Maven and will never put her in power.

I wish you had the opportunity as well. Instead unless Parthy dies which I flat out refuse to do she will have nothing more to do with you to which my answer is fine it’s time for your order to die and you hopefully history remembers you kindly

Why be a virgin power hungry dragon slayer when you can be a chad warrior-monk who has the potential for mass violence and power but restrains their inner dragon and sits in a mountain all day?

What’s wrong with that? As I’ve said before I only kill hostile dragons

[Katganistan]

How is she a traitor to the Blades?

The Blades have no authority over THE Dragonborn who is the legitimate heir to the Septims. For her to make demands and order the Dragonborn around is a betrayal of duty. The Blades serve the Dragonborn and it is the dragonborn who orders them around. Should the Dragonborn say that Paarthurnax and his followers be spared her only response should be "as you command".

And that's why I use the mod, "The Paarthrnax Dilemma".

[Valrifell]

Why be a virgin power hungry dragon slayer when you can be a chad warrior-monk who has the potential for mass violence and power but restrains their inner dragon and sits in a mountain all day?

What’s wrong with that? As I’ve said before I only kill hostile dragons

You're operating under the assumption that all dragons are good until proven otherwise, in-lore the opposite is true.

[Katganistan]

So Bethesda didn’t follow their own canon? More lazy writing on their part

More that Delphine’s egocentric and cares more for her own self than any duty. She thinks herself important when in reality she’s nothing compared to TLD.

She’s an old idiot too obsessed with her own glory and personal grievances.

Sounds a lot like Astrid in the Dark Brotherhood Questline.

[San Lumen]

What’s wrong with that? As I’ve said before I only kill hostile dragons

You're operating under the assumption that all dragons are good until proven otherwise, in-lore the opposite is true.

I chose to role play as innocent till proven guilty. If a dragoon simply flies around for a bit and then off into the distance or defeats a giant and looks at me on the ground but doesn’t attack and flies off after a little bit I let them be

[Valrifell]

You're operating under the assumption that all dragons are good until proven otherwise, in-lore the opposite is true.

I chose to role play as innocent till proven guilty. If a dragoon simply flies around for a bit and then off into the distance or defeats a giant and looks at me on the ground but doesn’t attack and flies off after a little bit I let them be

Everyone acknowledges the need for the dragon population to be culled, from Paarth to the Blades. Plus, in a meta sense you're going to be short on dragon souls and won't be able to use the coolest features of the game.

Sure, you can play without the incredibly helpful shouts like Storm Call or Ice Form, but... like... why.

[San Lumen]

I chose to role play as innocent till proven guilty. If a dragoon simply flies around for a bit and then off into the distance or defeats a giant and looks at me on the ground but doesn’t attack and flies off after a little bit I let them be

Everyone acknowledges the need for the dragon population to be culled, from Paarth to the Blades. Plus, in a meta sense you're going to be short on dragon souls and won't be able to use the coolest features of the game.

Sure, you can play without the incredibly helpful shouts like Storm Call or Ice Form, but... like... why.

I’ve never been short on souls playing the way that I do. All three storm call word walls are in tombs, forelfost, high gate ruins and skuldafn

[Valrifell]

Everyone acknowledges the need for the dragon population to be culled, from Paarth to the Blades. Plus, in a meta sense you're going to be short on dragon souls and won't be able to use the coolest features of the game.

Sure, you can play without the incredibly helpful shouts like Storm Call or Ice Form, but... like... why.

I’ve never been short on souls playing the way that I do. All three storm call word walls are in ruins

Well, you have to keep in mind that the game scripts dragon attacks if it's been a day or so in-game since your last kill. Either as soon as you fast travel or somewhere on the road.

I know that, but I'm saying you wouldn't be able to spend the dragon souls to gain access to several shouts.

[San Lumen]

I’ve never been short on souls playing the way that I do. All three storm call word walls are in ruins

Well, you have to keep in mind that the game scripts dragon attacks if it's been a day or so in-game since your last kill. Either as soon as you fast travel or somewhere on the road.

I know that, but I'm saying you wouldn't be able to spend the dragon souls to gain access to several shouts.

I’ve never had that problem

[The Islands of Versilia]

More that Delphine’s egocentric and cares more for her own self than any duty. She thinks herself important when in reality she’s nothing compared to TLD.

She’s an old idiot too obsessed with her own glory and personal grievances.

She's spent the last 20 years in hiding, unable to trust anyone save a select few people, and has had no one to answer to.

She's forgot what it means to be a Blade and how to follow orders. TLD is just some young, know-nothing upstart and she can't look past that because of her own ego.

The player should've had the chance to humble her, but instead she gets what she wants like a spoiled brat because Bethesda can't write for shit.

Agreed.

Why be a virgin power hungry dragon slayer when you can be a chad warrior-monk who has the potential for mass violence and power but restrains their inner dragon and sits in a mountain all day?

NGL that’s pretty chad.

Sounds a lot like Astrid in the Dark Brotherhood Questline.

True. Astrid’s an absolute ****. I haven’t played the DB storyline in literally ages, so I’ve forgotten whether or not you can just leave her to die on her own when you find her rather than having to kill her.

I chose to role play as innocent till proven guilty. If a dragoon simply flies around for a bit and then off into the distance or defeats a giant and looks at me on the ground but doesn’t attack and flies off after a little bit I let them be

Imagine not defeating and killing every last dragon to prove you’re the strongest and most powerful of them.

[The Emerald Legion]

You're operating under the assumption that all dragons are good until proven otherwise, in-lore the opposite is true.

I chose to role play as innocent till proven guilty. If a dragoon simply flies around for a bit and then off into the distance or defeats a giant and looks at me on the ground but doesn’t attack and flies off after a little bit I let them be

So you let Dragons just brutally murder the peaceful isolationist giants? They just want to be left alone to herd their mammoths in peace.

[Valrifell]

I chose to role play as innocent till proven guilty. If a dragoon simply flies around for a bit and then off into the distance or defeats a giant and looks at me on the ground but doesn’t attack and flies off after a little bit I let them be

So you let Dragons just brutally murder the peaceful isolationist giants? They just want to be left alone to herd their mammoths in peace.

Tbf I've had giants try to kill me after I saved its life from a dragon attack.

But I agree, pretty hypocritical to let the dragons attack the peaceful giant bois and then say "they ain't hurtin nobody". Giants have feelings too, Lumen.

[The Emerald Legion]

So you let Dragons just brutally murder the peaceful isolationist giants? They just want to be left alone to herd their mammoths in peace.

Tbf I've had giants try to kill me after I saved its life from a dragon attack.

But I agree, pretty hypocritical to let the dragons attack the peaceful giant bois and then say "they ain't hurtin nobody". Giants have feelings too, Lumen.

Giants take personal space very seriously. And being comparitively larger, they need more of it.

[Ism]

I chose to role play as innocent till proven guilty. If a dragoon simply flies around for a bit and then off into the distance or defeats a giant and looks at me on the ground but doesn’t attack and flies off after a little bit I let them be

So you let Dragons just brutally murder the peaceful isolationist giants? They just want to be left alone to herd their mammoths in peace.

Trying to kill anyone who stands near you or your mammoths for a few seconds isn't really all that peaceful. Not to mention, you get bounties from Jarls because of giants causing trouble for the Hold by attacking people. And in "A Night to Remember" there's a giant who is extorting a farmer for cattle. They're also quite aggressive in Malacath's quest, how much of that is his influence is hard to say though.

[San Lumen]

I chose to role play as innocent till proven guilty. If a dragoon simply flies around for a bit and then off into the distance or defeats a giant and looks at me on the ground but doesn’t attack and flies off after a little bit I let them be

So you let Dragons just brutally murder the peaceful isolationist giants? They just want to be left alone to herd their mammoths in peace.

Id hardly call a creature that attacks you simply for standing too close to them peaceful.

[Valrifell]

So you let Dragons just brutally murder the peaceful isolationist giants? They just want to be left alone to herd their mammoths in peace.

Id hardly call a creature that attacks you simply for standing too close to them peaceful.

You'll never believe what dragons do.

[Valrifell]

On an unrelated note, how much of a crisis do you think TLD's death would cause in Oblivion? I mean, supposing you do the Daedric quest you pledged your soul to like 12 different Princes in exchange for power, so would there be an all-out war on who gets to claim you?

Having the most powerful thing to exist in quite a while would be very good, but who would win?

[San Lumen]

Id hardly call a creature that attacks you simply for standing too close to them peaceful.

You'll never believe what dragons do.

ive gotten up close to dragons sometimes and they just look at me for a few seconds and fly off. Happened after a giant fight a few times in a random encounter

[The first Galactic Republic]

On an unrelated note, how much of a crisis do you think TLD's death would cause in Oblivion? I mean, supposing you do the Daedric quest you pledged your soul to like 12 different Princes in exchange for power, so would there be an all-out war on who gets to claim you?

Having the most powerful thing to exist in quite a while would be very good, but who would win?

I’ve always thought Akatosh had the Dragonborn’s soul, so they’d go to Sovngarde.

Otherwise, Hermaeus Mora has a strong claim since he uses you a lot. Hircine and Molag Bal would also hold power over you should you go werewolf or vampire lord.

Imo it’d be funny if Sheogorath spirited the Dragonborn away to the Shivering Isles. Maybe he’ll be meta and start a protagonist collection.

[San Lumen]

On an unrelated note, how much of a crisis do you think TLD's death would cause in Oblivion? I mean, supposing you do the Daedric quest you pledged your soul to like 12 different Princes in exchange for power, so would there be an all-out war on who gets to claim you?

Having the most powerful thing to exist in quite a while would be very good, but who would win?

That is a interesting thing to ponder. I'd say Hermanus Mora has the strongest claim since he uses you the most. Hircine would be a strong runner up if the TLD is a werewolf.

[The Islands of Versilia]

On an unrelated note, how much of a crisis do you think TLD's death would cause in Oblivion? I mean, supposing you do the Daedric quest you pledged your soul to like 12 different Princes in exchange for power, so would there be an all-out war on who gets to claim you?

Having the most powerful thing to exist in quite a while would be very good, but who would win?

I’ve always considered the Dovahkiin to be destined to become one with Akatosh’s Oversoul or they go through their racial afterlife, or straight to Sovngard because of the whole thing about defeating Alduin and so on.

I don’t think any of the princes have real ‘ownership’ of the Dovahkiin’s soul. The princes don't know that, but I think it’s the likeliest thing.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Fixed that for you

I don't think succession works by soul.

This isn't real life. This is fantasy where something like "He has THE MAGIC SWORD! He's the TRUE KING of England" is actually a thing. The amulet of kings isn't just some fancy necklace it has actual power that only a few people can use and the Septim bloodline is one of them. The Medes are never said to be a cadet branch of the Septims and given how the Emperor in Skyrim just lets you kill him instead of just killing you on the spot is a pretty good indication they're illegitimate. Oblivion fucked up by making Uriel fail to live up to his larger than life reputation of his mythical bloodline.

In a fantasy setting such as this when a mythic bloodline "dies out" either a successor line (aka THE Dragonborn) takes up the mantle of Emperor and the cycle begins again or the realm collapses. Perhaps its a reference to the Mandate of Heaven or its a coincidence or something.

[The Imperial Reach]

Canonically speaking we know for a fact that TLD had earned a spot in Sovngarde, and yet also - unwillingly - became the champion of Hermaeus Mora and like Miraak will thus be bound to Apocrypha.

No one else has a canonical claim on TLD's soul. For one thing, none of the other Daedric quests mention TLD being bound to those Daedra.

Being a Werewolf, Vampire, or Nightingale are the only other means by which to bypass defeat death destinations in the game yet because they are all optional it's unlikely that Hircine, Molag Bal, or Nocturnal will get a say on the matter canonically.

More thank likely TLD will be denied Sovngarde by Hermaeus Mora who will probably kidnap them while they're alive like he did Miraak. We'll then hear in a future game (possibly TES6) some uncorroborated legend about the Warriors of Sovngarde stopping at Apocrypha to free TLD before raiding Hircine's Hunting Grounds.