The Skyrim/Elder Scrolls thread

[The Rich Port]

Obsidian products might actually be more finished than Skyrim.

I think that goes without saying XD

Say what you will about The Outer Worlds, it ran 100 times better than 4 and 76 combined.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Obsidian products might actually be more finished than Skyrim.

I think that goes without saying XD

Say what you will about The Outer Worlds, it ran 100 times better than 4 and 76 combined.

I enjoyed 4 more than Outer Worlds Personally. Outer Worlds has some good writing and some fucked up moments in its missions i enjoyed and some fun companions, but i was not particularly invested in the world or locations like i am with fallout and its central story wasnt anything too great either. Ive no interest in replaying the game, its a one and done for me, where as with 4 ive replayed it multiple times and also think its gameplay is better too.

[The Imperial Reach]

I think that goes without saying XD

Say what you will about The Outer Worlds, it ran 100 times better than 4 and 76 combined.

I enjoyed 4 more than Outer Worlds Personally. Outer Worlds has some good writing and some fucked up moments in its missions i enjoyed and some fun companions, but i was not particularly invested in the world or locations like i am with fallout and its central story wasnt anything too great either. Ive no interest in replaying the game, its a one and done for me, where as with 4 ive replayed it multiple times and also think its gameplay is better too.

FO4 is so boring and grindey, though. The writing is mediocre at best and it's completely out-of-touch with what makes Fallout Fallout. I honestly don't know if I can ever get back into it. Even the mods aren't that great.

[New haven america]

You know, people keep saying the Bethesda doesn't have any idea what makes Fallout Fallout, even though it's (Along with Obsidian which made NV and TOW) one of the successors of the studio that originally made the franchise (Which is part of how they got the rights to it to begin with).

Like, I agree that they're failing the franchise with FO76, but tbh, 3, NV, and 4 are all pretty akin to each other in most ways.

[Dresderstan]

FO4 is overhated, FO3 is not that good, and FO:NV is overrated, there I said it. This whole *ooh Bugthesda bad, daddy Obsidian good, NV is superior" is just shit, NV is good, but it's not that great.

[Atheris]

FO4 is overhated, FO3 is not that good, and FO:NV is overrated, there I said it. This whole *ooh Bugthesda bad, daddy Obsidian good, NV is superior" is just shit, NV is good, but it's not that great.

I have the same opinion. I just don't really like Fallout in general, tbh. New Vegas is probably my favorite FO game but I only have like 20 hours in it or something, 5 of which are probably from New California.

[The Imperial Reach]

You know, people keep saying the Bethesda doesn't have any idea what makes Fallout Fallout, even though it's (Along with Obsidian which made NV and TOW) one of the successors of the studio that originally made the franchise (Which is part of how they got the rights to it to begin with).

Like, I agree that they're failing the franchise with FO76, but tbh, 3, NV, and 4 are all pretty akin to each other in most ways.

No?

Fallout was always supposed to be a dark RPG and critique of nuclear war. Bethesda turned it into watered-down, light-hearted, and immature "HA HA HA, BIG GUN GO BOOM BOOM!" game with FO3. Fallout 4 was only slightly better because it actually had a plot that didn't feel like it was written by a 12 year old, but it still had the problem of turning what is supposed to be an RPG into a Shooter with RPG elements just as 3 did. Even their attempts at being dark were rather weak and uninteresting.

Much like Skyrim both FO3 and FO4 severely eschew a rich role-playing environment in favor of a beefed-up combat system, thereby dumbing the whole game down with generic and sloppy writing. That's not even mentioning the enormous amount of bugs. Bethesda deliberately cannot achieve the full potential of their games because they don't want to put in the time and effort to do so. Instead they make poorly-written, half-finished grindfests entirely focused around fighting and killing everything in sight.

FO76 was Bethesda finally giving up the ruse that they care about their games or their fans, but they truly gave up sometime after Oblivion and before Fallout 3.

FO4 is overhated, FO3 is not that good, and FO:NV is overrated, there I said it. This whole *ooh Bugthesda bad, daddy Obsidian good, NV is superior" is just shit, NV is good, but it's not that great.

I'll agree that FO4 is overhated. It's not a bad game; it's a bad Fallout game.

Fallout 3 is straight-up trash that is insanely overrated which I think has a lot to do with nostalgia, primarily.

New Vegas isn't overrated, it's overhyped. There's a difference. It's still by far the best Fallout game ever made. That's not an exaggeration; it's simply fact. The OG Fallouts are products of their time and don't hold up today, and Bethesda has yet to make a Fallout game that actually feels like a Fallout game.

FO4 is overhated, FO3 is not that good, and FO:NV is overrated, there I said it. This whole *ooh Bugthesda bad, daddy Obsidian good, NV is superior" is just shit, NV is good, but it's not that great.

I have the same opinion. I just don't really like Fallout in general, tbh. New Vegas is probably my favorite FO game but I only have like 20 hours in it or something, 5 of which are probably from New California.

I tried New California not long ago but couldn't get into it. Too many squeaky, whiny voices and the whole high school-themed vault was kinda cringe-y. I got as far as the NCR Troopers fighting some raider alliance on a bridge before I gave up after being swarmed by like 30 raiders. Don't get me wrong, they did a great job with it but it just wasn't for me.

[New haven america]

You know, people keep saying the Bethesda doesn't have any idea what makes Fallout Fallout, even though it's (Along with Obsidian which made NV and TOW) one of the successors of the studio that originally made the franchise (Which is part of how they got the rights to it to begin with).

Like, I agree that they're failing the franchise with FO76, but tbh, 3, NV, and 4 are all pretty akin to each other in most ways.

1. No?

2. Fallout was always supposed to be a dark RPG and critique of nuclear war. Bethesda turned it into watered-down, light-hearted, and immature "HA HA HA, BIG GUN GO BOOM BOOM!" game with FO3. Fallout 4 was only slightly better because it actually had a plot that didn't feel like it was written by a 12 year old, but it still had the problem of turning what is supposed to be an RPG into a Shooter with RPG elements just as 3 did. Even their attempts at being dark were rather weak and uninteresting.

3. Much like Skyrim both FO3 and FO4 severely eschew a rich role-playing environment in favor of a beefed-up combat system, thereby dumbing the whole game down with generic and sloppy writing. That's not even mentioning the enormous amount of bugs. Bethesda deliberately cannot achieve the full potential of their games because they don't want to put in the time and effort to do so. Instead they make poorly-written, half-finished grindfests entirely focused around fighting and killing everything in sight.

FO76 was Bethesda finally giving up the ruse that they care about their games or their fans, but they truly gave up sometime after Oblivion and before Fallout 3.

FO4 is overhated, FO3 is not that good, and FO:NV is overrated, there I said it. This whole *ooh Bugthesda bad, daddy Obsidian good, NV is superior" is just shit, NV is good, but it's not that great.

I'll agree that FO4 is overhated. It's not a bad game; it's a bad Fallout game.

Fallout 3 is straight-up trash that is insanely overrated which I think has a lot to do with nostalgia, primarily.

New Vegas isn't overrated, it's overhyped. There's a difference. It's still by far the best Fallout game ever made. That's not an exaggeration; it's simply fact. The OG Fallouts are products of their time and don't hold up today, and Bethesda has yet to make a Fallout game that actually feels like a Fallout game.

I have the same opinion. I just don't really like Fallout in general, tbh. New Vegas is probably my favorite FO game but I only have like 20 hours in it or something, 5 of which are probably from New California.

I tried New California not long ago but couldn't get into it. Too many squeaky, whiny voices and the whole high school-themed vault was kinda cringe-y. I got as far as the NCR Troopers fighting some raider alliance on a bridge before I gave up after being swarmed by like 30 raiders. Don't get me wrong, they did a great job with it but it just wasn't for me.

1. Yes?
2. ... Have you ever actually played Fallout 3? Because if so I have no idea how you missed out on the negative karma decisions in the game. Also, Fallout 2 exists.
3. I've literally never experienced that in either Skyrim or FO3, so... what games are you playing? Seriously, I've only experienced 1 bug in Skyrim and that's on the 360 version.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Obsidian products might actually be more finished than Skyrim.

I think that goes without saying XD

Say what you will about The Outer Worlds, it ran 100 times better than 4 and 76 combined.

Obsidian was given a week to make New Vegas and 2 weeks to make KOTOR 2 and yet the former is better than all modern TES games the rest of FPS Fallout.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Fallout was always supposed to be a dark RPG and critique of nuclear war. Bethesda turned it into watered-down, light-hearted, and immature "HA HA HA, BIG GUN GO BOOM BOOM!" game with FO3.

Oh man wait till you hear about Fallout 2.

[The Imperial Reach]

1. No?

2. Fallout was always supposed to be a dark RPG and critique of nuclear war. Bethesda turned it into watered-down, light-hearted, and immature "HA HA HA, BIG GUN GO BOOM BOOM!" game with FO3. Fallout 4 was only slightly better because it actually had a plot that didn't feel like it was written by a 12 year old, but it still had the problem of turning what is supposed to be an RPG into a Shooter with RPG elements just as 3 did. Even their attempts at being dark were rather weak and uninteresting.

3. Much like Skyrim both FO3 and FO4 severely eschew a rich role-playing environment in favor of a beefed-up combat system, thereby dumbing the whole game down with generic and sloppy writing. That's not even mentioning the enormous amount of bugs. Bethesda deliberately cannot achieve the full potential of their games because they don't want to put in the time and effort to do so. Instead they make poorly-written, half-finished grindfests entirely focused around fighting and killing everything in sight.

FO76 was Bethesda finally giving up the ruse that they care about their games or their fans, but they truly gave up sometime after Oblivion and before Fallout 3.



I'll agree that FO4 is overhated. It's not a bad game; it's a bad Fallout game.

Fallout 3 is straight-up trash that is insanely overrated which I think has a lot to do with nostalgia, primarily.

New Vegas isn't overrated, it's overhyped. There's a difference. It's still by far the best Fallout game ever made. That's not an exaggeration; it's simply fact. The OG Fallouts are products of their time and don't hold up today, and Bethesda has yet to make a Fallout game that actually feels like a Fallout game.



I tried New California not long ago but couldn't get into it. Too many squeaky, whiny voices and the whole high school-themed vault was kinda cringe-y. I got as far as the NCR Troopers fighting some raider alliance on a bridge before I gave up after being swarmed by like 30 raiders. Don't get me wrong, they did a great job with it but it just wasn't for me.

1. Yes?
2. ... Have you ever actually played Fallout 3? Because if so I have no idea how you missed out on the negative karma decisions in the game. Also, Fallout 2 exists.
3. I've literally never experienced that in either Skyrim or FO3, so... what games are you playing? Seriously, I've only experienced 1 bug in Skyrim and that's on the 360 version.

Fallout 3's karma system was so explicitly biased and black and white. Bad example.

I don't know how you've never had more than one bug with Skyrim considering how notorious it is for bugs. What game am I playing? Skyrim - a game famous for it's bugs. The question is what are you playing?

Fallout was always supposed to be a dark RPG and critique of nuclear war. Bethesda turned it into watered-down, light-hearted, and immature "HA HA HA, BIG GUN GO BOOM BOOM!" game with FO3.

Oh man wait till you hear about Fallout 2.

The difference being Bethesda sacrificed quality writing for the sake of endless violence whereas Black Isle/Interplay didn't.

[Dresderstan]

1. Yes?
2. ... Have you ever actually played Fallout 3? Because if so I have no idea how you missed out on the negative karma decisions in the game. Also, Fallout 2 exists.
3. I've literally never experienced that in either Skyrim or FO3, so... what games are you playing? Seriously, I've only experienced 1 bug in Skyrim and that's on the 360 version.

Fallout 3's karma system was so explicitly biased and black and white. Bad example.

I don't know how you've never had more than one bug with Skyrim considering how notorious it is for bugs. What game am I playing? Skyrim - a game famous for it's bugs. The question is what are you playing?

Oh man wait till you hear about Fallout 2.

The difference being Bethesda sacrificed quality writing for the sake of endless violence whereas Black Isle/Interplay didn't.

I've been playing Skyrim for years, and as far as I'm concerned I haven't encountered any bugs.

[San Lumen]

Fallout 3's karma system was so explicitly biased and black and white. Bad example.

I don't know how you've never had more than one bug with Skyrim considering how notorious it is for bugs. What game am I playing? Skyrim - a game famous for it's bugs. The question is what are you playing?



The difference being Bethesda sacrificed quality writing for the sake of endless violence whereas Black Isle/Interplay didn't.

I've been playing Skyrim for years, and as far as I'm concerned I haven't encountered any bugs.

I very much doubt that

[Andsed]

Fallout 3's karma system was so explicitly biased and black and white. Bad example.

I don't know how you've never had more than one bug with Skyrim considering how notorious it is for bugs. What game am I playing? Skyrim - a game famous for it's bugs. The question is what are you playing?



The difference being Bethesda sacrificed quality writing for the sake of endless violence whereas Black Isle/Interplay didn't.

I've been playing Skyrim for years, and as far as I'm concerned I haven't encountered any bugs.

What Gods have you been bribing to avoid bugs?

[Dresderstan]

I've been playing Skyrim for years, and as far as I'm concerned I haven't encountered any bugs.

What Gods have you been bribing to avoid bugs?

Would you believe me if I said I was a devout follower of Clavicus Vile?

[The Emerald Legion]

I've been playing Skyrim for years, and as far as I'm concerned I haven't encountered any bugs.

I very much doubt that

To be honest, I've never encountered bugs I didn't go looking for.

[Cadonica]

I very much doubt that

To be honest, I've never encountered bugs I didn't go looking for.

I didn't exactly go looking for this one

[The Huskar Social Union]

To be honest, I've never encountered bugs I didn't go looking for.

I didn't exactly go looking for this one

Mad stormcloak vibes

[Cadonica]

I didn't exactly go looking for this one

Mad stormcloak vibes

He's such a rebel he even refuses to sit like imperials!

[Dresderstan]

Why is it all the jarls, sans Elisef sit like they're slouching, it makes them all seem like smug superior bastards?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Why is it all the jarls, sans Elisef sit like they're slouching, it makes them all seem like smug superior bastards?

Because most of them probably are lol

[Dresderstan]

Why is it all the jarls, sans Elisef sit like they're slouching, it makes them all seem like smug superior bastards?

Because most of them probably are lol

Even Jarl Ballin? Well then guess Elisef should be High Empress and get rid of all the Jarls then, sicne she doesn't slouch at all. #ElisefForHighQueen

[The Imperial Reach]

I can only guess every Jarl in Skyrim sits on an uncomfortable chair except Elisif and that's why they slouch.

I mean, Igmund and Ulfric are quite literally sitting on stone.

[San Lumen]

Because most of them probably are lol

Even Jarl Ballin? Well then guess Elisef should be High Empress and get rid of all the Jarls then, sicne she doesn't slouch at all. #ElisefForHighQueen

I wish there was a quest line where after the civil war is complete the moot is held and either Elisif or Ulfric becomes high queen/king

[The Huskar Social Union]

Because most of them probably are lol

Even Jarl Ballin? Well then guess Elisef should be High Empress and get rid of all the Jarls then, sicne she doesn't slouch at all. #ElisefForHighQueen

No no no no no, Jarl Ballin up in this bitch deserves to sit like that, he has earned that right.