The Skyrim/Elder Scrolls thread

[San Lumen]

I think if the positions of Skyrim and Oblivion were reversed, and Skyrim were released in '06 and Oblivion in 2011, Oblivion would be hands down the better game. In fact, I think Oblivion would be the better game if they were released the same year, and benefited equally from tech advancements, smoother gameplay etc.

But the storyline wouldn't work though

[Ism]

I disagree Oblivion's is superior

meh. As far as I'm concerned, Oblivion isn't really special in any way. well, apart from for Faction Questlines. they're superior to Skyrim and Morrowind in every way. in Main Story, Skyrim comes second to Morrowind (and only because its story is faulty to an extreme. if the bugs were thought-out it'd be better than Morrowind too imo) and the setting? please, give me Skyrim to Cyrodiil any day.

You’re forgetting the Isles my friend. The Shivering Isles makes Oblivion a much better game, though I must admit I prefer Oblivion to Skyrim regardless.

[Pilarcraft]

meh. As far as I'm concerned, Oblivion isn't really special in any way. well, apart from for Faction Questlines. they're superior to Skyrim and Morrowind in every way. in Main Story, Skyrim comes second to Morrowind (and only because its story is faulty to an extreme. if the bugs were thought-out it'd be better than Morrowind too imo) and the setting? please, give me Skyrim to Cyrodiil any day.

You’re forgetting the Isles my friend. The Shivering Isles makes Oblivion a much better game, though I must admit I prefer Oblivion to Skyrim regardless.

Yeah, but we're not talking about the DLCs. Shivering Isles is superior to every single DLC to ever be released for any Elder Scrolls game in any way. but I was counting teh main story, not with the DLCs (Though, if we're talking the Complete Story, I'd say Complete Skyrim is superior to Oblivion which is superior to Morrowind. Yes. the DLC is That Good)

[Ism]

You’re forgetting the Isles my friend. The Shivering Isles makes Oblivion a much better game, though I must admit I prefer Oblivion to Skyrim regardless.

Yeah, but we're not talking about the DLCs. Shivering Isles is superior to every single DLC to ever be released for any Elder Scrolls game in any way. but I was counting teh main story, not with the DLCs (Though, if we're talking the Complete Story, I'd say Complete Skyrim is superior to Oblivion which is superior to Morrowind. Yes. the DLC is That Good)

Well we’re talking about someone maybe getting the game, it seems wrong to mention all of its facets.

[Pilarcraft]

Yeah, but we're not talking about the DLCs. Shivering Isles is superior to every single DLC to ever be released for any Elder Scrolls game in any way. but I was counting teh main story, not with the DLCs (Though, if we're talking the Complete Story, I'd say Complete Skyrim is superior to Oblivion which is superior to Morrowind. Yes. the DLC is That Good)

Well we’re talking about someone maybe getting the game, it seems wrong to mention all of its facets.

Oh.
why is that even a question? Oblivion is awesome, why would they not want to get it?

[Ism]

Well we’re talking about someone maybe getting the game, it seems wrong to mention all of its facets.

Oh.
why is that even a question? Oblivion is awesome, why would they not want to get it?

Looks like I might have muddled things in my mind, Blaatschapen said they should look into Oblivion, but then said they were looking at buying Skyrim VR. Galactic Republic then responded that he didn’t think Oblivion held up that well, which San Lumen responded to by saying it holds up better than Skyrim, and thus the Oblivion vs Skyrim argument began.

[The first Galactic Republic]

I think if the positions of Skyrim and Oblivion were reversed, and Skyrim were released in '06 and Oblivion in 2011, Oblivion would be hands down the better game. In fact, I think Oblivion would be the better game if they were released the same year, and benefited equally from tech advancements, smoother gameplay etc.

Maybe. Skyrim became so popular partially because it was so streamlined, while Oblivion was a mess in many ways even back when it was new.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Oh.
why is that even a question? Oblivion is awesome, why would they not want to get it?

Looks like I might have muddled things in my mind, Blaatschapen said they should look into Oblivion, but then said they were looking at buying Skyrim VR. Galactic Republic then responded that he didn’t think Oblivion held up that well, which San Lumen responded to by saying it holds up better than Skyrim, and thus the Oblivion vs Skyrim argument began.

You could always get the PC version and mod out the kinks I guess.

[Salus Maior]

I think if the positions of Skyrim and Oblivion were reversed, and Skyrim were released in '06 and Oblivion in 2011, Oblivion would be hands down the better game. In fact, I think Oblivion would be the better game if they were released the same year, and benefited equally from tech advancements, smoother gameplay etc.

Oblivion is a jewel as it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XR6dsy7ATE

[Salus Maior]

Also, am I the only one who finds it strange that Hircine isn't a traditional god of Nordic culture? One would think that the Daedric prince of hunts would be venerated in a culture where hunting is an honorable practice.

[Ism]

Also, am I the only one who finds it strange that Hircine isn't a traditional god of Nordic culture? One would think that the Daedric prince of hunts would be venerated in a culture where hunting is an honorable practice.

He might have been worshiped more before the Imperial Cult became dominant, though it does seem that Kyne played a role in the hunt, so she might have been worshiped instead.

[Zanera]

Only things I saw wrong with Oblivion was that while every Oblivion portal seemed to have different layouts, and the enemies inside changed as you progressed, they still got tedious to go through. The Kvatch and Bravil portals weren't tedious, mostly because Kvatch was my first portal, and Bravil was a race against time and I knew they wouldn't make the layout too complicated. Then there's the horrible faces and the bad NPC/character model in general.

I was new to Oblivion's attribute/skill/combat stuff, and the skeletons were strong while the zombies were weak compared to Skyrim where it's reverse, and I got the Skeleton Key once I saw Oblivion's lockpicking mini-game and then heard of the Skeleton Key, but I ended up liking Oblivion a lot, especially its main questline. The graphics look beautiful in some spots and a little dated in others, but then again I feel that about Skyrim too, except instead of dated the graphics just didn't complement the landscape very good some places to me.

[Zanera]

On one hand, the story including Malacath in the 16 Accords of Madness makes me kinda respect him. On the other hand, the Daedric quests for him make him see pretty petty, going after long descendants of people that've stolen an orc's fame.

[The Blaatschapen]

For the record, I own a copy of Oblivion, but I never got into it (tes noob). I read up on the leveling system, seems complicated, also, old tech without nostalgia , so I might just get frustrated at it.

[Prumia]

In fact, I think Oblivion would be the better game if they were released the same year, and benefited equally from tech advancements, smoother gameplay etc.

But the storyline wouldn't work though

What do you mean? I cannot think of any real technical limitations that would prevent it. Although it would require some work around for dragons if it was Skyrim-to-Oblivion release date... Oh, now you got me thinking about an Oblivion relseased the same year as Skyrim was... Wow.

I read up on the leveling system, seems complicated, also, old tech without nostalgia , so I might just get frustrated at it.

It can be odd. It certainly takes some getting used to, but is remarkably straight forward when you realize what is actually happening.

[Ism]

For the record, I own a copy of Oblivion, but I never got into it (tes noob). I read up on the leveling system, seems complicated, also, old tech without nostalgia , so I might just get frustrated at it.

The leveling is definitely different than Skyrim, the difficulty will come in around the mid-teen levels, but if you’re smart about it it’s not too bad. What you need to do is be very careful in choosing your class, make sure it will have some flexibility. For instance, if you’re mainly a magic user, conjugation is a good idea, as it provides not only a distraction form your squishy self but also workarounds to anti-magic effects, mainly through skeletons and zombies who do mostly physical damage. Also keep in mind, Skyrim has no classes, Oblivion does, so in Oblivion only class skills will level up your character, while miscellaneous skills will only level up attributes.

The real strength of Oblivion though, in my opinion anyway, is it’s quests. Compared to Skyrim, the quests, especially the faction quests and main quest, have much more depth and meat to them. The sidequests are good too, though I’d say Skyrim isn’t too far off from those in quality. A few gems stand out though, Mazoga the Orc’s quests, A Brotherhood Betrayed, Paranoia and An Unexpected Voyage to name a few, but there are certainly others.

[Barbaziun]

For the record, I own a copy of Oblivion, but I never got into it (tes noob). I read up on the leveling system, seems complicated, also, old tech without nostalgia , so I might just get frustrated at it.

The leveling is definitely different than Skyrim, the difficulty will come in around the mid-teen levels, but if you’re smart about it it’s not too bad. What you need to do is be very careful in choosing your class, make sure it will have some flexibility. For instance, if you’re mainly a magic user, conjugation is a good idea, as it provides not only a distraction form your squishy self but also workarounds to anti-magic effects, mainly through skeletons and zombies who do mostly physical damage. Also keep in mind, Skyrim has no classes, Oblivion does, so in Oblivion only class skills will level up your character, while miscellaneous skills will only level up attributes.

The real strength of Oblivion though, in my opinion anyway, is it’s quests. Compared to Skyrim, the quests, especially the faction quests and main quest, have much more depth and meat to them. The sidequests are good too, though I’d say Skyrim isn’t too far off from those in quality. A few gems stand out though, Mazoga the Orc’s quests, A Brotherhood Betrayed, Paranoia and An Unexpected Voyage to name a few, but there are certainly others.

Agreed, Oblivion goes a lot more in-depth with the quests. Skyrims faction questlines, as they are good, seemed a bit rushed. I do prefer Skyrim's leveling system over Oblivion's and even Morowind's. I think my favorite thing about Oblivion is the Shivering Islands DLC and to this day that questline is my all time favorite throughout all of the Elder Scrolls games

[Pilarcraft]

The leveling is definitely different than Skyrim, the difficulty will come in around the mid-teen levels, but if you’re smart about it it’s not too bad. What you need to do is be very careful in choosing your class, make sure it will have some flexibility. For instance, if you’re mainly a magic user, conjugation is a good idea, as it provides not only a distraction form your squishy self but also workarounds to anti-magic effects, mainly through skeletons and zombies who do mostly physical damage. Also keep in mind, Skyrim has no classes, Oblivion does, so in Oblivion only class skills will level up your character, while miscellaneous skills will only level up attributes.

The real strength of Oblivion though, in my opinion anyway, is it’s quests. Compared to Skyrim, the quests, especially the faction quests and main quest, have much more depth and meat to them. The sidequests are good too, though I’d say Skyrim isn’t too far off from those in quality. A few gems stand out though, Mazoga the Orc’s quests, A Brotherhood Betrayed, Paranoia and An Unexpected Voyage to name a few, but there are certainly others.

Agreed, Oblivion goes a lot more in-depth with the quests. Skyrims faction questlines, as they are good, seemed a bit rushed. I do prefer Skyrim's leveling system over Oblivion's and even Morowind's. I think my favorite thing about Oblivion is the Shivering Islands DLC and to this day that questline is my all time favorite throughout all of the Elder Scrolls games

yeah. No matter what our opinion on the games, Shivering Isles is the inarguable best DLC among the bunch.

[Barbaziun]

yeah. No matter what our opinion on the games, Shivering Isles is the inarguable best DLC among the bunch.

I know, I have probably played it like at least 20 times over.

[Zanera]

Also, am I the only one who finds it strange that Hircine isn't a traditional god of Nordic culture? One would think that the Daedric prince of hunts would be venerated in a culture where hunting is an honorable practice.

He's also the father of were-beasts. Nords don't like were-beasts, being one doesn't get you sent to Sovngarde (like Kodlak Whitemane).

[Zanera]

Wait, the Imga did return. So there are Imga. Cool. Anyway

In 1E 2714, the Walking City, along with the rest of Valenwood was conquered by the Second Empire, after centuries of unrelenting warfare along the border with Cyrodiil and a plague from Thras.[1] Although the province became occupied by the Imperial Legion, they continued to experienced resistance from some natives for several years.

Valenwood was beating the shit out of Cyrodiil along the border before them fuggin Slugs...Toads? Sloads came along.

During the early years of the Interregnum, but before the city disappeared, the Battle of Falinesti took place between Bosmer and Khajiiti forces as part of the numerous border skirmishes between Valenwood and Elsweyr in that time. Beaten at the battle of Sphynxmoth, the Khajiiti commander Eagle Eye ordered his troops into an orderly retreat to the Vale of Falinesti. The Bosmer set a trap and fell upon them from every side. The battle was short and vicious. All Khajiiti were butchered and some were even roasted alive, before the Bosmer troops ate them.

Das nice. Before you judge tho:
Mainly, though, he took it upon himself to slay the sorcerer-kings of the Ayleids in pre-arranged open combats rather than at war; the fields of rebellion he left to the growing armies of the Paravania and his bull nephew. Pelinal called out Haromir of Copper and Tea into a duel at the Tor, and ate his neck-veins while screaming praise to Reman, a name that no one knew yet.

[Prumia]

yeah. No matter what our opinion on the games, Shivering Isles is the inarguable best DLC among the bunch.

I know, I have probably played it like at least 20 times over.

All this talk about Oblivion DLC has me thinking about Knights of the Nine again... Shivering Isles was way better, of course, but Knights was not bad either. But you never hear anyone mention it and Skyrim only brought it up long enough to say it happened.

[Ism]

I know, I have probably played it like at least 20 times over.

All this talk about Oblivion DLC has me thinking about Knights of the Nine again... Shivering Isles was way better, of course, but Knights was not bad either. But you never hear anyone mention it and Skyrim only brought it up long enough to say it happened.

Yeah, the Crusader's Relics and the associated quests were cool, though the DLC was a bit problematic for the infamous.

[Zanera]

I know, I have probably played it like at least 20 times over.

All this talk about Oblivion DLC has me thinking about Knights of the Nine again... Shivering Isles was way better, of course, but Knights was not bad either. But you never hear anyone mention it and Skyrim only brought it up long enough to say it happened.

You get to mantle a god in Shivering Isles, whilst in KotN you put on some genocidal dick's armor and kill some Ayleid dick again.

[Salus Maior]

All this talk about Oblivion DLC has me thinking about Knights of the Nine again... Shivering Isles was way better, of course, but Knights was not bad either. But you never hear anyone mention it and Skyrim only brought it up long enough to say it happened.

You get to mantle a god in Shivering Isles, whilst in KotN you put on some genocidal dick's armor and kill some Ayleid dick again.

> Implying the Ayleids didn't deserve it.