Metal Genre Music Discussion - Vol. 4

[Thervingia]

Start listening to black metal. You'll stop caring about the lyrics, image, message, etc., in no time. And by black metal, I of course refer to NSBM and other forms of black metal which actively call for suicide and destruction of values; just remember that shit like Dimmu Borgir and Behemoth is for children, and Cradle of Filth aren't even black metal.

Shush. NSBM belongs in the dustbin of history. If you want to be edgy with your music then drunk New Yorkers will do.

I beg thy forgiving? Most NSBM is absolutely shit, yes. But above I gave some examples for some amazing NSBM... which is amazing precisely because it does black metal intelligently, and avoids making the mistakes of the hordes of shitty NSBm bands.

[Stojam]

Shush. NSBM belongs in the dustbin of history. If you want to be edgy with your music then drunk New Yorkers will do.

I beg thy forgiving? Most NSBM is absolutely shit, yes. But above I gave some examples for some amazing NSBM... which is amazing precisely because it does black metal intelligently, and avoids making the mistakes of the hordes of shitty NSBm bands.

Cannot be listenin' to NSBM because... Well I'm Jewish, and I hate all things that really are National Socialist.

[Hurdergaryp]

When you consider Dimmu Borgir and Behemoth to be subpar, you clearly haven't even been listening to them and are just parroting the usual losers who pretend to be in the know when it comes to so-called true black metal. That kind of behaviour was already old hat in the late twentieth century, but leave it to select members of the internet generation to revive said shitty attitude ad infinitum, but now embellished with casually racist edgelord memes for maximum agitation power.

[Thervingia]

When you consider Dimmu Borgir and Behemoth to be subpar, you clearly haven't even been listening to them and are just parroting the usual losers who pretend to be in the know when it comes to so-called true black metal. That kind of behaviour was already old hat in the late twentieth century, but leave it to select members of the internet generation to revive said shitty attitude ad infinitum, but now embellished with casually racist edgelord memes for maximum agitation power.

Apologies for having an aversion to certain music and forming hyperboles to show my displeasure with said music to propagate humour. Furthermore, where have you encountered this "casual racism"?

(i can use big words too)

[Corrian]

When you consider Dimmu Borgir and Behemoth to be subpar, you clearly haven't even been listening to them and are just parroting the usual losers who pretend to be in the know when it comes to so-called true black metal. That kind of behaviour was already old hat in the late twentieth century, but leave it to select members of the internet generation to revive said shitty attitude ad infinitum, but now embellished with casually racist edgelord memes for maximum agitation power.

Or just don't be a music snob and respect that some people find bands subpar? Get over yourself.

[Hurdergaryp]

When you consider Dimmu Borgir and Behemoth to be subpar, you clearly haven't even been listening to them and are just parroting the usual losers who pretend to be in the know when it comes to so-called true black metal. That kind of behaviour was already old hat in the late twentieth century, but leave it to select members of the internet generation to revive said shitty attitude ad infinitum, but now embellished with casually racist edgelord memes for maximum agitation power.

Or just don't be a music snob and respect that some people find bands subpar? Get over yourself.

It's not the personal preferences per se, but the context in which they are presented.

[Sunstruck]

Or just don't be a music snob and respect that some people find bands subpar? Get over yourself.

It's not the personal preferences per se, but the context in which they are presented.

I understand what you're saying. Some people just don't know what they're talking about sometimes, and follow along with popular opinion.

[Sunstruck]

I've listened to a little Metallica, but are there any recommendations for someone fairly new to the genre?

There are three different rivers that will guide you to the heart of metal.
Each is unique. The people who got into metal from one river tend to dislike the music taste of the other two rivers.

River 1: melodic metalcore. So, your girlfriend broke up with you, you're in high school, and MCR just isn't doing enough for you anymore. You accidentally clicked on a Killswitch Engage video, and oh crap, you thought it was weird at first but you're starting to enjoy As Daylight Dies, so you listen to the whole album, and oh damn! It's nice music.
From there, you branch out into deathcore, maybe you'll enjoy some early BMTH or, if your soul is brave enough at this stage, you find enjoyment out of Thy Art Is Murder's catchier songs like No Absolution, Holy War, or even the emotional They Will Know Another. Then you find death metal, maybe branch out into grindcore, slam, the journey is yours.

River 2: Metallica sounds good. Time to branch out. Oh hai, Pantera. (one hour later) You drunkenly walk out of your house and yell WALK ON HOME, BOY! at the teenagers smoking pot on your driveway. Then you buy a metal vest, as many Megadeth and Slayer patches as you can afford, and post photos of them on your Instagram account. Congratulations, you wish you were born in a different generation, and everyone is calling you out for it.

River 3: The first Korn album, the first Slipknot album, Marilyn Manson, and Rob Zombie.

Granted, there are other smaller rivers, and while someone may have absolutely LOVED Transilvanian Hunger the first time they listened to it, that's not common.

[Hurdergaryp]

It's not the personal preferences per se, but the context in which they are presented.

I understand what you're saying. Some people just don't know what they're talking about sometimes, and follow along with popular opinion.

Pretty much like a clockwork routine, occasionally bedazzled in order to make it appear fresher than it actually is.

[Pax Nerdvana]

I've listened to a little Metallica, but are there any recommendations for someone fairly new to the genre?

There are three different rivers that will guide you to the heart of metal.
Each is unique. The people who got into metal from one river tend to dislike the music taste of the other two rivers.

River 1: melodic metalcore. So, your girlfriend broke up with you, you're in high school, and MCR just isn't doing enough for you anymore. You accidentally clicked on a Killswitch Engage video, and oh crap, you thought it was weird at first but you're starting to enjoy As Daylight Dies, so you listen to the whole album, and oh damn! It's nice music.
From there, you branch out into deathcore, maybe you'll enjoy some early BMTH or, if your soul is brave enough at this stage, you find enjoyment out of Thy Art Is Murder's catchier songs like No Absolution, Holy War, or even the emotional They Will Know Another. Then you find death metal, maybe branch out into grindcore, slam, the journey is yours.

River 2: Metallica sounds good. Time to branch out. Oh hai, Pantera. (one hour later) You drunkenly walk out of your house and yell WALK ON HOME, BOY! at the teenagers smoking pot on your driveway. Then you buy a metal vest, as many Megadeth and Slayer patches as you can afford, and post photos of them on your Instagram account. Congratulations, you wish you were born in a different generation, and everyone is calling you out for it.

River 3: The first Korn album, the first Slipknot album, Marilyn Manson, and Rob Zombie.

Granted, there are other smaller rivers, and while someone may have absolutely LOVED Transilvanian Hunger the first time they listened to it, that's not likely.

Interesting theory.

[Hurdergaryp]

Meanwhile I jumped pretty much straight into thrash, death metal, industrial and grindcore in the early nineties, around the time Nirvana brought an end to the hair metal craze with Smells Like Teen Spirit.

[Kolmya]

Worst song on Killers? Definitely Prodigal Son because of it's 6 minute plus run time. If it was shorter then it'd be a toss up with Purgatory. But the A-side is waaaaaaaaaaaaay better than B-side. "Best Iron Maiden album" ha, not with that B-side

But duuuude, that's just like your opinion man...

I would agree that Prodigal Son is the worst song off of Killers, but it's still cool, if a bit long.

[Thervingia]

It's not the personal preferences per se, but the context in which they are presented.

I understand what you're saying. Some people just don't know what they're talking about sometimes, and follow along with popular opinion.

I understand what you're saying. Some people just don't know what they're talking about sometimes, and follow along with popular opinion.

Pretty much like a clockwork routine, occasionally bedazzled in order to make it appear fresher than it actually is.

What exactly is that you two are talking about?

[Sunstruck]

I understand what you're saying. Some people just don't know what they're talking about sometimes, and follow along with popular opinion.

Pretty much like a clockwork routine, occasionally bedazzled in order to make it appear fresher than it actually is.

What exactly is that you two are talking about?

I'll tell you when you're older.

[Thervingia]

What exactly is that you two are talking about?

I'll tell you when you're older.

Rich, coming from a prepubescent MLP fan.

[Sunstruck]

I'll tell you when you're older.

Rich, coming from a prepubescent MLP fan.

I was just joking, but thanks for insulting me.
:/

[Hurdergaryp]

Rich, coming from a prepubescent MLP fan.

I was just joking, but thanks for insulting me.
:/

That's how it works. Personal attacks always do the trick. Reminds me of some of the lurid gossiping found in Lords of Chaos, the sensationalist book about black metal

[Ameriganastan]

They should have used Powermad's "Final Frontier" instead, but they didn't.

Sounds like Anthrax.

[Hurdergaryp]

They should have used Powermad's "Final Frontier" instead, but they didn't.

Sounds like Anthrax.

You have a point there, but Metallica certainly left its mark as well.

[Thervingia]

Rich, coming from a prepubescent MLP fan.

I was just joking, but thanks for insulting me.
:/

Apologies, but considering the context and the fact that discerning jokes and sarcasm in written form is relatively hard, you might understand why I felt "attacked."

[Sunstruck]

I was just joking, but thanks for insulting me.
:/

Apologies, but considering the context and the fact that discerning jokes and sarcasm in written form is relatively hard, you might understand why I felt "attacked."

Understood

[Sunstruck]

Best way to explain what post metal is to my girlfriend? Should I just show her? We were listening to Ashes Against the Grain by Agalloch yesterday and I mentioned the genre's influence on the album, and it confused her.

[Cadonica]

Best way to explain what post metal is to my girlfriend? Should I just show her? We were listening to Ashes Against the Grain by Agalloch yesterday and I mentioned the genre's influence on the album, and it confused her.

Best way to "explain" a genre is by playing a song from a said genre.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Best way to explain what post metal is to my girlfriend? Should I just show her? We were listening to Ashes Against the Grain by Agalloch yesterday and I mentioned the genre's influence on the album, and it confused her.

Best way to "explain" a genre is by playing a song from a said genre.

Nonsense. You need a journal length article with as many vocabulary words as possible. Bonus points for every use of "transcendental".

[Cadonica]

Best way to "explain" a genre is by playing a song from a said genre.

Nonsense. You need a journal length article with as many vocabulary words as possible. Bonus points for every use of "transcendental".

Too advanced for my feeble mind to comprehend.