Pokemon Discussion Thread: Generation II

[New haven america]

So it turns out the new movie is going to be an alternate telling of the first episode, changes include: Brock and Misty being shafted and replaced with two new characters, an old man Red appearing, Sinnoh and Alola Pokémon being in Kanto, Marshadow appears, and Ash possibly catching Ho-oh.

Huh... not sure how I feel about some of the changes...

Catching Ho-oh isn't bad, but removing Brock and Misty I don't like. Sinnoh and Alola Pokemon. . . meh. As for Red, isn't Red SUPPOSED to be Ash?

No, Ash is supposed to be the reimagining of Red (As stated by the creator of Pokemon), but from the looks of the trailer, it seems like they gave Charles (The League President of the country Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh are a part of) a redesign to make him look more like Red, so I'm just gonna call him Old Man Red until that's confirmed.

I'm kinda split on Brock and Misty, at the start they were fun and interesting characters, but on the other hand, it seems that they're exploring the multiple universe game theory (Something very complex) buy changing what happened on Ash's journey. I'm... interested.

[Osnil Returns]

Catching Ho-oh isn't bad, but removing Brock and Misty I don't like. Sinnoh and Alola Pokemon. . . meh. As for Red, isn't Red SUPPOSED to be Ash?

No, Ash is supposed to be the reimagining of Red (As stated by the creator of Pokemon), but from the looks of the trailer, it seems like they gave Charles (The League President of the country Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh are a part of) a redesign to make him look more like Red, so I'm just gonna call him Old Man Red until that's confirmed.

I'm kinda split on Brock and Misty, at the start they were fun and interesting characters, but on the other hand, it seems that they're exploring the multiple universe game theory (Something very complex) buy changing what happened on Ash's journey. I'm... interested.

I bet that he's going to dream the whole thing and wake up late. That'd be neat.

[The united states of Saints]

NS League Gym Leader App

NS Name: Mundeo
Showdown Name: MattTheMaverick
Type: Ground
Badge: Hourglass Badge
Team:

Nidoking @ Life Orb
Ability: Poison Point
EVs: 148 Atk / 108 SpA / 252 Spe
Naughty Nature
- Toxic Spikes
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake
- Poison Jab

Gastrodon-East (M) @ Quick Claw
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 204 Def / 100 SpA / 204 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Recover
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Sludge Bomb

Golurk @ Assault Vest
Ability: Iron Fist
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Shadow Punch
- Thunder Punch
- Ice Punch
- Drain Punch

Torterra (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 Atk / 128 Def / 128 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Synthesis
- Stealth Rock
- Wood Hammer
- Stone Edge

Excadrill (F) @ Air Balloon
Ability: Sand Rush
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- X-Scissor

Claydol @ Smooth Rock
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 196 Def / 124 SpA / 188 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sandstorm
- Rapid Spin
- Shadow Ball
- Psyshock

There has to be some ground type special attackers you can use because most of your attack power is physical with this team. Claydol only has a 70 base special attack stat which is not that good. Gastrodon seems decent with a 92 special attack stat but with only 100 ev's going into that it won't do that much. Also why not have sheer force on nidoking? Or better yet use Nidoqueen who can take hits better and also has sheer force?

I would say add Hippowdon to your team because he is awesome and amazing and I love it. Although, I am not sure if it would be better to use it as a tank instead of gastrodon.

[Frenline Delpha]

There has to be some ground type special attackers you can use because most of your attack power is physical with this team. Claydol only has a 70 base special attack stat which is not that good. Gastrodon seems decent with a 92 special attack stat but with only 100 ev's going into that it won't do that much. Also why not have sheer force on nidoking? Or better yet use Nidoqueen who can take hits better and also has sheer force?

I would say add Hippowdon to your team because he is awesome and amazing and I love it. Although, I am not sure if it would be better to use it as a tank instead of gastrodon.

To be fair, ground types are often physical attackers, with some exceptions being Mega Camerupt and Palossand.

[The united states of Saints]

There has to be some ground type special attackers you can use because most of your attack power is physical with this team. Claydol only has a 70 base special attack stat which is not that good. Gastrodon seems decent with a 92 special attack stat but with only 100 ev's going into that it won't do that much. Also why not have sheer force on nidoking? Or better yet use Nidoqueen who can take hits better and also has sheer force?

I would say add Hippowdon to your team because he is awesome and amazing and I love it. Although, I am not sure if it would be better to use it as a tank instead of gastrodon.

To be fair, ground types are often physical attackers, with some exceptions being Mega Camerupt and Palossand.

He can't use mega evolution as a gym leader so camerupt is out and I have never used nor faced palossand so I can't say how good or bad it is.

[Frenline Delpha]

To be fair, ground types are often physical attackers, with some exceptions being Mega Camerupt and Palossand.

He can't use mega evolution as a gym leader so camerupt is out and I have never used nor faced palossand so I can't say how good or bad it is.

It's ability allows it to up its special attack after being hit by one water move, but it doesn't reduce damage from water attacks. But it is a duel ghost/ground type, so that's cool.

[The united states of Saints]

He can't use mega evolution as a gym leader so camerupt is out and I have never used nor faced palossand so I can't say how good or bad it is.

It's ability allows it to up its special attack after being hit by one water move, but it doesn't reduce damage from water attacks. But it is a duel ghost/ground type, so that's cool.

He has golurk as well for the ghost and ground. Also its ability sharply raises its defense not special attack after I just looked it up.

[The States of Balloon]

NS League Leader App

NS Name: The States of Balloon
Showdown Name: TomatointheMirror
Type: Flying
Badge: Soar Badge
Team:

Ninjask
Moves: X-Scissor, Leech Life, Swords Dance, Aerial Ace
Ability: Speed Boost
Item: Life Orb
Nature: Impish
HP 263
AT 272
DF 149
SA 122
SD 146
SP 407

Emolga
Moves: Double Team, Electro Ball, Nuzzle, Thunder
Ability: Static
Item: Lax Incense
Nature: Timid
HP 268
AT 167
DF 174
SA 224
SD 172
SP 308

Minior
Moves: Earthquake, Power Gem, Stealth Rock, U-turn
Ability: Shields Down
Item: Rocky Helmet
Nature: Adamant
HP 282
AT 204
DF 260
SA 146
SD 260
SP 177

Drifblim
Moves: Knock Off, Shadow Ball, Calm Mind, Shadow Ball
Ability: Aftermath
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Quiet
HP 455
AT 196
DF 171
SA 270
SD 180
SP 148

Crobat
Moves: Brave Bird, Toxic, Zen Headbutt, Whirlwind
Ability: Inner Focus
Item: Toxic Plate
Nature: Jolly
HP 329
AT 279
DF 196
SA 158
SD 197
SP 375

Sigilyph
Moves: Psychic, Air Slash, Signal Beam, Heat Wave
Ability: Magic Guard, May change to Tinted Lens later if circumstances demand it.
Item: Sitrus Berry
Nature: Calm
HP 301
AT 108
DF 223
SA 271
SD 245
SP 258

[Mundeo]

NS League Gym Leader App

NS Name: Mundeo
Showdown Name: MattTheMaverick
Type: Ground
Badge: Hourglass Badge
Team:

Nidoking @ Life Orb
Ability: Poison Point
EVs: 148 Atk / 108 SpA / 252 Spe
Naughty Nature
- Toxic Spikes
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake
- Poison Jab

Gastrodon-East (M) @ Quick Claw
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 204 Def / 100 SpA / 204 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Recover
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Sludge Bomb

Golurk @ Assault Vest
Ability: Iron Fist
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Shadow Punch
- Thunder Punch
- Ice Punch
- Drain Punch

Torterra (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 Atk / 128 Def / 128 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Synthesis
- Stealth Rock
- Wood Hammer
- Stone Edge

Excadrill (F) @ Air Balloon
Ability: Sand Rush
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- X-Scissor

Claydol @ Smooth Rock
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 196 Def / 124 SpA / 188 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sandstorm
- Rapid Spin
- Shadow Ball
- Psyshock

There has to be some ground type special attackers you can use because most of your attack power is physical with this team. Claydol only has a 70 base special attack stat which is not that good. Gastrodon seems decent with a 92 special attack stat but with only 100 ev's going into that it won't do that much. Also why not have sheer force on nidoking? Or better yet use Nidoqueen who can take hits better and also has sheer force?

I would say add Hippowdon to your team because he is awesome and amazing and I love it. Although, I am not sure if it would be better to use it as a tank instead of gastrodon.

I was thinking of using Hippowdown, as I wanted to get a sandstorm summoner in there somehow. Just as a heads up, I am not all that much into the competitive scene, so my sets are going to be a bit garbage.

Pallosand's ability is basically a weaker version of Storm Drain. Storm Drain makes Gastrodon take any water type attack that is used, immune to that attack, and boost its SpA.

Should I replace Claydol with Hippowdon?

[The States of Balloon]

Just as a heads up, I am not all that much into the competitive scene, so my sets are going to be a bit garbage.

You and me both.

[The united states of Saints]

There has to be some ground type special attackers you can use because most of your attack power is physical with this team. Claydol only has a 70 base special attack stat which is not that good. Gastrodon seems decent with a 92 special attack stat but with only 100 ev's going into that it won't do that much. Also why not have sheer force on nidoking? Or better yet use Nidoqueen who can take hits better and also has sheer force?

I would say add Hippowdon to your team because he is awesome and amazing and I love it. Although, I am not sure if it would be better to use it as a tank instead of gastrodon.

I was thinking of using Hippowdown, as I wanted to get a sandstorm summoner in there somehow. Just as a heads up, I am not all that much into the competitive scene, so my sets are going to be a bit garbage.

Pallosand's ability is basically a weaker version of Storm Drain. Storm Drain makes Gastrodon take any water type attack that is used, immune to that attack, and boost its SpA.

Should I replace Claydol with Hippowdon?

I would say yes, but claydol has rapid spin which can be useful to deal with traps. On the other hand hippowdon can no stealth rock and toxic along with slack off to recover hp. Your gastrodon has its defensive values boosted and a recovery move as well so I dont think you need hippowdon. Its up to you of course.

[Frenline Delpha]

What would you say about my team, USoS?

[The united states of Saints]

What would you say about my team, USoS?

I don't don't have too much experience in competitive and havent played showdown in a while so I'm not gonna say I have an expert opinion. I stopped at the point when sun and moon just came out. Gen 7 pokemon I dont know their usual movesets or what works best with them. I haven't faced alot of them so I won't go into the ones you have on your team.

I'll say right off the bat that your hp investment in chandelure could be a mistake. Its base stat is only 60 so it doesn't have a lot of hp to begin with even with its base 90 defense and Special Defense. It won't take many hits. Most people tend to make Chandelure an all out attacker by raising its special attack and speed and even adding a choice scarf because its base speed is 80.
If you want an immunity to fire make flash fire your ability.

Drifblim I have never used before and have rarely ever fought one. It has really low defenses with 44 base defense and 54 base special defense. Its hp is 150 though and it has a base 90 special attack and base 80 attack and speed. So what you have going with it seems fine at least to me. Since I'm in school right now I can't look up any movesets on any website that people use for drifblim. So if someone else wants to point anything out about it feel free.

I feel like you could be without trevenant entirely you have decidueye in your team which is also grass and ghost. They have close hp stats with 85 and 78, respectively. One point difference in defence, 3 point difference in attack, then decidueye largely beats trevenant in special attack, special defense and speed. I dont know what movesets either pokemon usually run but I still think you could find another pokemon instead of trevenant.

[Osnil Returns]

Just as a heads up, I am not all that much into the competitive scene, so my sets are going to be a bit garbage.

You and me both.

And me!

[The Dark Brotherhood of Deros]

It's time to get the Nationstate's League under way! We already know that the battling is going to be done on Showdown, so here's how I think we'll set up the league:

We'll all make apps to be gym leaders. Depending on how many we get, we'll have four of the leaders become the Elite Four. My idea was that we have a tournament where either we set up a regular bracket and the top for become the E4, or we battle eachother once and the four with a most wins will be the E4.

Out of all of us, the Champion will be whoever can beat the rest of the leaders and E4 first with a team of their making. After that, whoever beats the champ becomes the next champ.

And now... the app!

Code: Select all

[b]NS League Leader App[/b]

[b]NS Name:[/b]
[b]Showdown Name:[/b]
[b]Type:[/b]
[b]Badge:[/b]
[b]Team:[/b]


I'm going to tag this, because I might be interested.
What Pokemon are legal? I'm assuming no Legendaries/Mythicals?
Also are Ubers allowed?

[Mundeo]

It's time to get the Nationstate's League under way! We already know that the battling is going to be done on Showdown, so here's how I think we'll set up the league:

We'll all make apps to be gym leaders. Depending on how many we get, we'll have four of the leaders become the Elite Four. My idea was that we have a tournament where either we set up a regular bracket and the top for become the E4, or we battle eachother once and the four with a most wins will be the E4.

Out of all of us, the Champion will be whoever can beat the rest of the leaders and E4 first with a team of their making. After that, whoever beats the champ becomes the next champ.

And now... the app!

Code: Select all

[b]NS League Leader App[/b]

[b]NS Name:[/b]
[b]Showdown Name:[/b]
[b]Type:[/b]
[b]Badge:[/b]
[b]Team:[/b]


I'm going to tag this, because I might be interested.
What Pokemon are legal? I'm assuming no Legendaries/Mythicals?
Also are Ubers allowed?

No Megas, Legendaries, or Mythicals. Ubers are allowed if they aren't these 3

[The Dark Brotherhood of Deros]

I'm going to tag this, because I might be interested.
What Pokemon are legal? I'm assuming no Legendaries/Mythicals?
Also are Ubers allowed?

No Megas, Legendaries, or Mythicals. Ubers are allowed if they aren't these 3

Okei. Danke.

[The Dark Brotherhood of Deros]

NS League Leader App

NS Name: The Dark Brotherhood of Deros
Showdown Name: Deros33000
Type: Steel
Badge: Fortify Badge
Team:

Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 / HP 252 / Atk 4 SpD
Nature: Adamant
Item: Life Orb
Moves: Zen Headbutt, Meteor Mash, Earthquake, Thunder Punch

Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Nature: Jolly
Item: Choice Band
Moves: Bullet Punch, Bug Bite, U-turn, Superpower

Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Nature: Careful
Item: Leftovers
Moves: Reflect, Light Screen, Thunder Wave, Play Rough

Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 132 HP / 252 SpA / 124 Spe
Nature: Modest
Item: Choice Specs
Moves: Thunderbolt, Flash Cannon, Volt Switch, Hidden Power Fire

Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Nature: Calm
Item: Leftovers
Moves: Scald, Defog, Stealth Rock, Toxic

Ability: Stance Change
EVs 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Nature : Sassy
Item: Leftovers
Moves: King's Shield, Toxic, Shadow Ball, Gyro Ball

[The States of Balloon]

NS League Leader App

NS Name: The Dark Brotherhood of Deros
Showdown Name: Deros33000
Type: Steel
Badge: Fortify Badge
Team:

(Image)
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 / HP 252 / Atk 4 SpD
Nature: Adamant
Item: Life Orb
Moves: Zen Headbutt, Meteor Mash, Earthquake, Thunder Punch

(Image)
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Nature: Jolly
Item: Choice Band
Moves: Bullet Punch, Bug Bite, U-turn, Superpower

(Image)
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Nature: Careful
Item: Leftovers
Moves: Reflect, Light Screen, Thunder Wave, Play Rough

(Image)
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 132 HP / 252 SpA / 124 Spe
Nature: Modest
Item: Choice Specs
Moves: Thunderbolt, Flash Cannon, Volt Switch, Hidden Power Fire

(Image)
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Nature: Calm
Item: Leftovers
Moves: Scald, Defog, Stealth Rock, Toxic

(Image)
Ability: Stance Change
EVs 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Nature : Sassy
Item: Leftovers
Moves: King's Shield, Toxic, Shadow Ball, Gyro Ball

Glad to have you on board!

[The Dark Brotherhood of Deros]

NS League Leader App

NS Name: The Dark Brotherhood of Deros
Showdown Name: Deros33000
Type: Steel
Badge: Fortify Badge
Team:

(Image)
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 / HP 252 / Atk 4 SpD
Nature: Adamant
Item: Life Orb
Moves: Zen Headbutt, Meteor Mash, Earthquake, Thunder Punch

(Image)
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Nature: Jolly
Item: Choice Band
Moves: Bullet Punch, Bug Bite, U-turn, Superpower

(Image)
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Nature: Careful
Item: Leftovers
Moves: Reflect, Light Screen, Thunder Wave, Play Rough

(Image)
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 132 HP / 252 SpA / 124 Spe
Nature: Modest
Item: Choice Specs
Moves: Thunderbolt, Flash Cannon, Volt Switch, Hidden Power Fire

(Image)
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Nature: Calm
Item: Leftovers
Moves: Scald, Defog, Stealth Rock, Toxic

(Image)
Ability: Stance Change
EVs 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Nature : Sassy
Item: Leftovers
Moves: King's Shield, Toxic, Shadow Ball, Gyro Ball

Glad to have you on board!

Thank you. Any thoughts on my team?

[The States of Balloon]

Glad to have you on board!

Thank you. Any thoughts on my team?

I'm not good with competitive, so I really can't say. I would recommend a different ability for Scizor or Empoleon if one exists.
I also must ask the same question to you in regard to my own team.

[The united states of Saints]

Thank you. Any thoughts on my team?

I'm not good with competitive, so I really can't say. I would recommend a different ability for Scizor or Empoleon if one exists.
I also must ask the same question to you in regard to my own team.

Why a different one for scizor? The only ones it can learn besides technician is swarm and light metal. Technician would be the best option.

[The States of Balloon]

I'm not good with competitive, so I really can't say. I would recommend a different ability for Scizor or Empoleon if one exists.
I also must ask the same question to you in regard to my own team.

Why a different one for scizor? The only ones it can learn besides technician is swarm and light metal. Technician would be the best option.

Fuck, I forgot what Technician did. I thought it was an accuracy-increasing ability for a moment.

[The united states of Saints]

are the challengers not restricted to one type just like in the games? Are there any restrictions for what challengers can use?

if I ever have the time to do this I would probably use a poison type team since I rarely use them, already have at least three pokes in mind.

[Mundeo]

are the challengers not restricted to one type just like in the games? Are there any restrictions for what challengers can use?

if I ever have the time to do this I would probably use a poison type team since I rarely use them, already have at least three pokes in mind.

challengers are not restricted