Which Anime are you watching or have watched recently IV?

[Okyo]

But I don't know, maybe that show is actually really good. It has only 6 on My Anime List, but My Anime List is also full of people who think SAO is good. So I don't know if I can trust that site.

It is valid to point out that liking SAO or not isn't an indicative of how reliable a group of people or source is or not, what you're doing is mainstream hate, one of the reasons events like these happen to something that is good and popular enough to attract such a vehement disdain is when the people who like it don't actually care if other people cast their disdain on it, which lets the people who think they're being somewhat special for showing their disdain toward such a thing, in this case the anime SAO, do so freely, but the same situation would be different if you were expressing disdain for the sake of doing it toward something that had a different target audience, a more mainstream one, to the point that what you are doing here would make no sense for someone who is reading it, for example saying that if a site is full of people who like Dragon Ball, Naruto, or One Piece (Extremely popular and mainstream anime) makes a source or group of people less reliable.

This event is really quite common, and every time it happens it makes me question what goes on in the mind of people who act this way, where do these people learn mainstream hate, and why it only makes sense when the hate is being shown for the sake of it towards something with a target audience, for example, like the one the anime SAO has.

[The Corparation]

SAO is actually terrible though. You mention DB, Naurto and One Piece, they're not my thing but I can see what people get out of them. Same goes for other popular shows like AoT (Which I like but think its nowhere near as good as its cracked up to be) and Cowboy Bebop (Which I feel deserves its reputation). SAO though? It started mediocre and only ever went down hill.

But I don't know, maybe that show is actually really good. It has only 6 on My Anime List, but My Anime List is also full of people who think SAO is good. So I don't know if I can trust that site.

MAL scores are meaningless.

[Britanania]

SAO is actually terrible though. You mention DB, Naurto and One Piece, they're not my thing but I can see what people get out of them. Same goes for other popular shows like AoT (Which I like but think its nowhere near as good as its cracked up to be) and Cowboy Bebop (Which I feel deserves its reputation). SAO though? It started mediocre and only ever went down hill.

But I don't know, maybe that show is actually really good. It has only 6 on My Anime List, but My Anime List is also full of people who think SAO is good. So I don't know if I can trust that site.

MAL scores are meaningless.

I realised MAL scores were meaningless when half the top 10 anime are Gintama variants

[The Sikhs of Khalistan]

My Hero Academia and Attack On Titan Season 2

[Ameriganastan]

MAL scores are meaningless.

That entire site is meaningless.

[Antalland]

They just made an anime of Clockwork Planet!
I read the manga a while back, it was good.

Though I haven't actually gotten around to watching it yet.

[Ameriganastan]

They just made an anime of Clockwork Planet!
I read the manga a while back, it was good.

Though I haven't actually gotten around to watching it yet.

You read the manga? Tell me, was the creepy finger blowjob in there too? Or was the anime just being weird.

[New haven america]

They just made an anime of Clockwork Planet!
I read the manga a while back, it was good.

Though I haven't actually gotten around to watching it yet.

You read the manga? Tell me, was the creepy finger blowjob in there too? Or was the anime just being weird.

It actually started off as a light novel, so... probably.

Huh, remember when most light novels were at least half decent?

[Ameriganastan]

You read the manga? Tell me, was the creepy finger blowjob in there too? Or was the anime just being weird.

It actually started off as a light novel, so... probably.

Huh, remember when most light novels were at least half decent?

I don't read light novels, so not really.

[Okyo]

SAO is actually terrible though. You mention DB, Naurto and One Piece, they're not my thing but I can see what people get out of them. Same goes for other popular shows like AoT (Which I like but think its nowhere near as good as its cracked up to be) and Cowboy Bebop (Which I feel deserves its reputation). SAO though? It started mediocre and only ever went down hill.

The point is not if you believe that SAO is terrible or not, it is why people only express their hate for no reason for animes like SAO. Many people believe that DB, Naruto and One Piece are terrible, but it is very rare to see them showing disdain for no reason like it is done with SAO; stating that something is terrible doesn't meet the point, as it is only a matter of opinion, don't you have any logic reason why this specific event happens so frequently?

They just made an anime of Clockwork Planet!
I read the manga a while back, it was good.

Though I haven't actually gotten around to watching it yet.

You should take a look at the light novel too, since its the source material for both the manga and the anime

[New haven america]

It actually started off as a light novel, so... probably.

Huh, remember when most light novels were at least half decent?

I don't read light novels, so not really.

Apparently they weren't that bad in the early-mid 00's.

[Okyo]

I don't read light novels, so not really.

Apparently they weren't that bad in the early-mid 00's.

Why do you think they're bad now?

[Abserdia]

But I don't know, maybe that show is actually really good. It has only 6 on My Anime List, but My Anime List is also full of people who think SAO is good. So I don't know if I can trust that site.

It is valid to point out that liking SAO or not isn't an indicative of how reliable a group of people or source is or not, what you're doing is mainstream hate, one of the reasons events like these happen to something that is good and popular enough to attract such a vehement disdain is when the people who like it don't actually care if other people cast their disdain on it, which lets the people who think they're being somewhat special for showing their disdain toward such a thing, in this case the anime SAO, do so freely, but the same situation would be different if you were expressing disdain for the sake of doing it toward something that had a different target audience, a more mainstream one, to the point that what you are doing here would make no sense for someone who is reading it, for example saying that if a site is full of people who like Dragon Ball, Naruto, or One Piece (Extremely popular and mainstream anime) makes a source or group of people less reliable.

This event is really quite common, and every time it happens it makes me question what goes on in the mind of people who act this way, where do these people learn mainstream hate, and why it only makes sense when the hate is being shown for the sake of it towards something with a target audience, for example, like the one the anime SAO has.

You're assuming one big thing.
Because I don't like a mainstream show, I am wrong for hating it. I just hate SAO because it's a badly written show that threw away literally the only thing that I watched it for: the threat of death for these characters.
It should've ended with Kirito and Asuna dead and Aincrad falling apart. That should've been the final scene. But no, they just had to cash in on the immense popularity. Furthermore, Yui should've stayed dead. But apparently Kirito is a master programmer or whatever.
I'm not dissing it because it's the cool thing to do, I'm dissing it because I was so interested in this show, and it just forgot what it should be.

Long story short, SAO is a bad show, growing to hate something popular with a good reason shouldn't have you labeled as a "mainstream hater", and SAO Abridged did everything much better.

[New haven america]

Apparently they weren't that bad in the early-mid 00's.

Why do you think they're bad now?

Couldn't be because most of them are now overly formulaic harem or weird high school dramas with little to no originality and are chockfull of bad or mediocre writing (Ex: SAO, Asterisk War, etc...).

[Taihei Tengoku]

SAO is bad because of The Glop

If you want a good isekai LN read A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court

[Okyo]

You're assuming one big thing.
Because I don't like a mainstream show, I am wrong for hating it. I just hate SAO because it's a badly written show that threw away literally the only thing that I watched it for: the threat of death for these characters.
It should've ended with Kirito and Asuna dead and Aincrad falling apart. That should've been the final scene. But no, they just had to cash in on the immense popularity. Furthermore, Yui should've stayed dead. But apparently Kirito is a master programmer or whatever.
I'm not dissing it because it's the cool thing to do, I'm dissing it because I was so interested in this show, and it just forgot what it should be.

Long story short, SAO is a bad show, growing to hate something popular with a good reason shouldn't have you labeled as a "mainstream hater", and SAO Abridged did everything much better.

I'm not assuming that you're wrong nor that you're right, what I'm doing is questioning why the event that you caused happens so frequently, and why it happens the way it does, it is not my intention to classify you as a "mainstream hater", and I do not harbor any hostility toward you. You are saying that you express your disdain toward this particular anime because it didn't go the way you wanted it to be, but actually this is not something uncommon, and for some reason SAO has got special attention by this event, becoming really common to see the unrelated hate being tossed around, for example going to the extent of dismissing the quality of a source for giving SAO a good score. I don't think that the only thing in play here is the personal opinion of liking it or not. Why do you think that SAO receives this special attention, other than the personal opinion of people liking it or not? Why do people that don't like SAO in particular feel the need to express their dislike even if unrelated to the topic or unrequested, unlike other animes that people also do not like?

[Philjia]

Why do you think they're bad now?

Couldn't be because most of them are now overly formulaic harem or weird high school dramas with little to no originality and are chockfull of bad or mediocre writing (Ex: SAO, Asterisk War, etc...).

I think originality is a severely overrated virtue in narrative fiction. Even the most hackneyed concepts can be carried home by a good through line on the plot and well written dialogue.

[New haven america]

Couldn't be because most of them are now overly formulaic harem or weird high school dramas with little to no originality and are chockfull of bad or mediocre writing (Ex: SAO, Asterisk War, etc...).

I think originality is a severely overrated virtue in narrative fiction. Even the most hackneyed concepts can be carried home by a good through line on the plot and well written dialogue.

My point is that most of them aren't well written and are relying on the exact same tropes as other light novels, which is just creating an endless cycle of bad light novel authors created bad stories using formulas that other bad light novel authors have already done.

[Philjia]

I think originality is a severely overrated virtue in narrative fiction. Even the most hackneyed concepts can be carried home by a good through line on the plot and well written dialogue.

My point is that most of them aren't well written and are relying on the exact same tropes as other light novels, which is just creating an endless cycle of bad light novel authors created bad stories using formulas that other bad light novel authors have already done.

They're just hoping that using the skeleton of another popular thing will be enough to get people to watch.

[New haven america]

My point is that most of them aren't well written and are relying on the exact same tropes as other light novels, which is just creating an endless cycle of bad light novel authors created bad stories using formulas that other bad light novel authors have already done.

They're just hoping that using the skeleton of another popular thing will be enough to get people to watch.

And the worst part is is that it's working.

[Okyo]

My point is that most of them aren't well written and are relying on the exact same tropes as other light novels, which is just creating an endless cycle of bad light novel authors created bad stories using formulas that other bad light novel authors have already done.

I don't think that the fact that some authors are following a trend makes their writing bad, neither does it make them bad, I believe that even if some trope is overused at the moment a good author can make a good story out of it, which makes me question, is the current trend the reason that you believe that light novels in the 00's were better than today?

[New haven america]

My point is that most of them aren't well written and are relying on the exact same tropes as other light novels, which is just creating an endless cycle of bad light novel authors created bad stories using formulas that other bad light novel authors have already done.

I don't think that the fact that some authors are following a trend makes their writing bad, neither does it make them bad, I believe that even if some trope is overused at the moment a good author can make a good story out of it, which makes me question, is the current trend the reason that you believe that light novels in the 00's were better than today?

But it's not a trend, it's become a formula they refuse to stop using.

Yes, because said formula is terrible, enables terrible writers, and didn't really exist in the 00's. (Compare Spice and Wolf, Haruhi, Boggiepop, Monogatari, etc... to SAO, Asterisk Wars, and so on)

Also, how is a bad writer not bad?

[Okyo]

Also, how is a bad writer not bad?

What do you mean?

[The Corparation]

A big problem with complaining about LN being worse nowadays and how they better back in the day is that before now LN translations were somewhat rare. Fan TLs devoted more of their time to anime and manga while official releases were few and far between. Nowadays we're getting significantly more LNs translated, Publishers have realized that its cheap to TL them, publishing one online as an ebook costs almost nothing and that there is actually a market for them. In the past garbage was rarely translated and nowadays it does. The fact the current trend is isekai and we're getting a lot of it translated says nothing about the quality of writing 15 years ago.

SAO is bad because of The Glop

If you want a good isekai LN read A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court

Probably the best in the genre. Still waiting on the anime though.
Also on the topic of isekai LNs: I am obligated to recommend In Another World With My Smartphone®. I'm not saying this because I know the guy that worked on it and he has me at gunpoint, honest. In Another World With My Smartphone℠ is truly the pinnacle of modern literature.

[New haven america]

A big problem with complaining about LN being worse nowadays and how they better back in the day is that before now LN translations were somewhat rare. Fan TLs devoted more of their time to anime and manga while official releases were few and far between. Nowadays we're getting significantly more LNs translated, Publishers have realized that its cheap to TL them, publishing one online as an ebook costs almost nothing and that there is actually a market for them. In the past garbage was rarely translated and nowadays it does. The fact the current trend is isekai and we're getting a lot of it translated says nothing about the quality of writing 15 years ago.

Yeah, but when even anime is starting to point out about the current downward spiral of LN's, and giving a reason as to why it's happening, you know there a problem that didn't exist before.