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Postby The Corparation » Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:12 pm

New haven america wrote:It and Akira both showed that, while yes, anime can be for kids (This was around the time DBZ and Sailor Moon was airing), that it could also be for adults, and became wildly successful because of that. It showed anime companies that there was a growing market in the West, and they decided to capitalize on that trend. (Remember, the anime boom happened about 3-5 years after GITS)

This is a highly romanticized view of history. While western critics might praise GitS and Akira, Anime Studios don't give a shit about Western Critics. The number of people in the west who buy "Gritty mature" anime like GitS was, and for the most part still is, relatively small. The anime boom was for the most part not a boom of gritty and mature adult fare, and was instead mostly an increase in localization of kids shows. The localization of kids shows was something that had been steadily increasing since the 70s and wasn't something that was reliant on GitS being fawned over by western critics.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:20 pm

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New haven america wrote:It and Akira both showed that, while yes, anime can be for kids (This was around the time DBZ and Sailor Moon was airing), that it could also be for adults, and became wildly successful because of that. It showed anime companies that there was a growing market in the West, and they decided to capitalize on that trend. (Remember, the anime boom happened about 3-5 years after GITS)

This is a highly romanticized view of history. While western critics might praise GitS and Akira, Anime Studios don't give a shit about Western Critics. The number of people in the west who buy "Gritty mature" anime like GitS was, and for the most part still is, relatively small. The anime boom was for the most part not a boom of gritty and mature adult fare, and was instead mostly an increase in localization of kids shows. The localization of kids shows was something that had been steadily increasing since the 70s and wasn't something that was reliant on GitS being fawned over by western critics.

Nope, not really.

Yes, I do understand that anime studios don't give a shit what Western Critics, but we weren't talking about that now, were we?

Yes, I realize that the number of people buying gritty and mature anime was small, however, that also wasn't the point. As stated before, the anime companies noticed a trend in the US and decided to capitalize on it, mainly by targeting the most optimal demographic: Kids. However, that doesn't mean that they ignored their older fans, which is why things like Toonami, The Anime Network, etc... took off.

Way to miss the point, dude.
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New haven america wrote:
The Corparation wrote:This is a highly romanticized view of history. While western critics might praise GitS and Akira, Anime Studios don't give a shit about Western Critics. The number of people in the west who buy "Gritty mature" anime like GitS was, and for the most part still is, relatively small. The anime boom was for the most part not a boom of gritty and mature adult fare, and was instead mostly an increase in localization of kids shows. The localization of kids shows was something that had been steadily increasing since the 70s and wasn't something that was reliant on GitS being fawned over by western critics.

Nope, not really.

Yes, I do understand that anime studios don't give a shit what Western Critics, but we weren't talking about that now, were we?

Yes, I realize that the number of people buying gritty and mature anime was small, however, that also wasn't the point. As stated before, the anime companies noticed a trend in the US and decided to capitalize on it, mainly by targeting the most optimal demographic: Kids. However, that doesn't mean that they ignored their older fans, which is why things like Toonami, The Anime Network, etc... took off.

Way to miss the point, dude.

The issue with that is the trend you mentioned had started long before GitS was released. The earlier successes of things like Robotech and Star Blazers were far more important to the development of things like Toonami than GitS was. GitS didn't set the trend and saying that it's "one of the only reasons" we have anime in the west is objectively wrong.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:13 pm

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New haven america wrote:Nope, not really.

Yes, I do understand that anime studios don't give a shit what Western Critics, but we weren't talking about that now, were we?

Yes, I realize that the number of people buying gritty and mature anime was small, however, that also wasn't the point. As stated before, the anime companies noticed a trend in the US and decided to capitalize on it, mainly by targeting the most optimal demographic: Kids. However, that doesn't mean that they ignored their older fans, which is why things like Toonami, The Anime Network, etc... took off.

Way to miss the point, dude.

The issue with that is the trend you mentioned had started long before GitS was released. The earlier successes of things like Robotech and Star Blazers were far more important to the development of things like Toonami than GitS was. GitS didn't set the trend and saying that it's "one of the only reasons" we have anime in the west is objectively wrong.

And I never stated GITS and Akira started the trend, I said that GITS and Akira (Along with DBZ and Sailor Moon) caused anime companies to notice the growing trend of anime in the West (Side-note: I never stated that GITS started the trend, no idea where you got that from) and actually get into the Western Markets. Yes, Starblazers and Robotech were popular for their time, and did start the trend, but it wasn't until the 90's that companies actually started getting into the western markets (Around the time GITS, Akira, DBZ, and Sailor Moon were released in the West). Also, no, if it wasn't for things likes GITS, Akira, DBZ, etc... things like Robotech and Starblazers would just be a passing trend that happened in the 80's and 90's, they never reached anywhere near the levels of popularity that the 4 mentioned works did, and probably never would have (Which means that there wouldn't have been an anime boom, which means that distribution companies would be much, much smaller, which means that there wouldn't be anywhere near the levels of anime in the West then there is today), so I'm actually objectively correct.

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Postby The Corparation » Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:06 pm

You're confusing the economic impact of GitS and Akira have with the artistic impact they had. More mature works like GitS and Akira are outliers. While the artistic impact of those films are huge, the actual sales were low. Booms are not driven by artistic merit, they're driven by sales. GitS and Akira certainly allowed the medium to be taken more seriously artistically in the west, but they were relatively unimportant to the economic success of things like DBZ and Sailor Moon. We would have had the anime boom in the late nineties with or without GitS.

Edit: Plus not to mention that there are a number of other lesser known works that could easily have had a similar impact as GitS given the right circumstances. I'm sure there's an alternate Universe out there where we're arguing over whether or not the Anime Boom was due to Royal Space Force: The Wings of Honnêamise and another were the object of discussion is Memories.
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Or it could just be a weak joke from a weak show...
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Or it could just be a weak joke from a weak show...


Pfffft "weak".

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I can't believe Gabriel Dropout's Christmans/New Year special is also Bondage special.
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Immoren wrote:Kemono Friends is entertaining.


I can't believe Gabriel Dropout's Christmans/New Year special is also Bondage special.

Oh shit finally someone else is watching Kemono Friends.
Unironically my AOTS.


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Cabana wrote:
Immoren wrote:Kemono Friends is entertaining.


I can't believe Gabriel Dropout's Christmans/New Year special is also Bondage special.

Oh shit finally someone else is watching Kemono Friends.
Unironically my AOTS.


I started watching it because it's fan art started to appear on my tumblr feed. Most endearing post-apocalypse setting. :P
(Or is it? I am in episode 5.)



I am not sure what to feel. XD
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Cabana wrote:Oh shit finally someone else is watching Kemono Friends.
Unironically my AOTS.


I started watching it because it's fan art started to appear on my tumblr feed. Most endearing post-apocalypse setting. :P
(Or is it? I am in episode 5.)



I am not sure what to feel. XD

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Cabana wrote:
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I started watching it because it's fan art started to appear on my tumblr feed. Most endearing post-apocalypse setting. :P
(Or is it? I am in episode 5.)



I am not sure what to feel. XD

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I can't decide. :P
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Fitting for this website. I wonder how that would go for a little group of people...

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Fitting for this website. I wonder how that would go for a little group of people...

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So they decided to skip Vento Aureo? Unless I missed that, pity.
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I think it's a joke, because I haven't heard anything about it
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IDK why while watching Toradora! I thought that Minori looked out of the place cartoonish compared to other characters, but now that I see art she doesn’t seem that much out of the place.

I guess it’s because of her personality and way mannerisms way she carries itself that causes it, when combined with that art style, when compared to other characters.

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Immoren wrote:IDK why while watching Toradora! I thought that Minori looked out of the place cartoonish compared to other characters, but now that I see art she doesn’t seem that much out of the place.

I guess it’s because of her personality and way mannerisms way she carries itself that causes it, when combined with that art style, when compared to other characters.


I felt that every character was animated distinctly enough so that nobody felt out of place, in that nobody was in place to begin with.
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