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How do you game?

Console
249
23%
PC
439
40%
Arcade
47
4%
Mobile
142
13%
Anything and Everything
107
10%
Other
50
5%
Catchphrase!
63
6%
 
Total votes : 1097

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Postby Onekawa-Nukanor » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:46 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:I've found the Monster Hunter games suffer from slow start syndrome, at least the couple I tried.

You want to hunt and fight giant monsters! Just spend several hours doing what feels like skull smashingly dull busy work first.

Isn't that pretty much every game? You gotta do the dull crap before the fun starts.


You mean as in every game in the series or just every game in general?
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Postby Ameriganastan » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:47 pm

Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Isn't that pretty much every game? You gotta do the dull crap before the fun starts.


You mean as in every game in the series or just every game in general?

In general. I've never played Monster Hunter.
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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:50 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:
You mean as in every game in the series or just every game in general?

In general. I've never played Monster Hunter.

Several hours seems a little excessive, though.
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Postby Onekawa-Nukanor » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:52 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:
You mean as in every game in the series or just every game in general?

In general. I've never played Monster Hunter.


That true, but it was several hours of mind mumbling simple and boring filler. It like they stretched out the tutorial for way to long.

I don't mind slow starts, but I don't care how good later on is if your going to waste my time for hours and feel like I'm making next to no progress until getting to the actual meat of the game.
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Postby Abserdia » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:06 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Abserdia wrote:The creators did design that, but the players are the ones who decide to blow off her skirt. Or look up the skirt. 95% of the time her butt isn't even in frame.

Again, designed by the people who made the game. Cause it's nothing but cheap eye candy like I said. They knew that, and threw in such things to get buys. If this game was SO great, they wouldn't have needed to do that.


Abserdia wrote:Because, again, people don't play it just to look up 2B's skirt. I know I certainly don't.

I guess you're a weird exception then. Cause all I ever see or hear about this game is "ASS!"

Abserdia wrote:So please, drop this idea that this game is all fanservice and no actual game.

Not an idea. A fact.

Jesus Christ Ameri, I respect you and all, but you seem so insufferable right now.
Have you seen any of the actual gameplay? Do you know anything about the story? Have you read any professional reviews? Have you seen anything other than fanart or a few gifs?
Do you have a friend that has finished or is playing the game? Have you played the original NieR?

Because this "fact" that it has no gameplay is so stupid I honestly can't believe it.
It has been positively received mostly for its combat and story. Especially for its story and characters. So please, just shut up. You clearly know nothing about it. Only one or two characters so far have given fanservice, 4 if you count some male bosses who are shirtless for one fight. And in that fight, it's all in a 2D angle at a bit of a distance, so you barely see anything.The most major eyecandy is received from the main character, and that accounts for maybe 20 whole seconds in actual cutscenes, give or take a few. And in those cutscenes it's usually focusing on either her face or some other character. The other character, the one that isn't the two bosses or the main character, can only be called "fanservice" because her shirt is ripped up a bit because she's been in almost endless combat for what seems to be multiple years.

You can't even call something a fact if you've never even played it. I mean, literally everything I've read about this game is raving about the combat and story with a few words given to the fanservice. Are you getting all your NieR knowledge from 2 Tumblr blogs or 4chan?
Because you are so misinformed that it's getting hard to bear. You need to actually know about this kind of stuff before making such harsh criticisms.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:13 pm

Abserdia wrote:Jesus Christ Ameri, I respect you and all, but you seem so insufferable right now.
Have you seen any of the actual gameplay? Do you know anything about the story? Have you read any professional reviews? Have you seen anything other than fanart or a few gifs?
Do you have a friend that has finished or is playing the game? Have you played the original NieR?

Because this "fact" that it has no gameplay is so stupid I honestly can't believe it.
It has been positively received mostly for its combat and story. Especially for its story and characters. So please, just shut up. You clearly know nothing about it. Only one or two characters so far have given fanservice, 4 if you count some male bosses who are shirtless for one fight. And in that fight, it's all in a 2D angle at a bit of a distance, so you barely see anything.The most major eyecandy is received from the main character, and that accounts for maybe 20 whole seconds in actual cutscenes, give or take a few. And in those cutscenes it's usually focusing on either her face or some other character. The other character, the one that isn't the two bosses or the main character, can only be called "fanservice" because her shirt is ripped up a bit because she's been in almost endless combat for what seems to be multiple years.

You can't even call something a fact if you've never even played it. I mean, literally everything I've read about this game is raving about the combat and story with a few words given to the fanservice. Are you getting all your NieR knowledge from 2 Tumblr blogs or 4chan?
Because you are so misinformed that it's getting hard to bear. You need to actually know about this kind of stuff before making such harsh criticisms.

Pictures speak more than words.
Image

And that picture is all I need to be confident in my assessment of this game. Which I will also use as my way of ending this little diatribe we're having.
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Postby Abserdia » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:28 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Abserdia wrote:Jesus Christ Ameri, I respect you and all, but you seem so insufferable right now.
Have you seen any of the actual gameplay? Do you know anything about the story? Have you read any professional reviews? Have you seen anything other than fanart or a few gifs?
Do you have a friend that has finished or is playing the game? Have you played the original NieR?

Because this "fact" that it has no gameplay is so stupid I honestly can't believe it.
It has been positively received mostly for its combat and story. Especially for its story and characters. So please, just shut up. You clearly know nothing about it. Only one or two characters so far have given fanservice, 4 if you count some male bosses who are shirtless for one fight. And in that fight, it's all in a 2D angle at a bit of a distance, so you barely see anything.The most major eyecandy is received from the main character, and that accounts for maybe 20 whole seconds in actual cutscenes, give or take a few. And in those cutscenes it's usually focusing on either her face or some other character. The other character, the one that isn't the two bosses or the main character, can only be called "fanservice" because her shirt is ripped up a bit because she's been in almost endless combat for what seems to be multiple years.

You can't even call something a fact if you've never even played it. I mean, literally everything I've read about this game is raving about the combat and story with a few words given to the fanservice. Are you getting all your NieR knowledge from 2 Tumblr blogs or 4chan?
Because you are so misinformed that it's getting hard to bear. You need to actually know about this kind of stuff before making such harsh criticisms.

Pictures speak more than words.
Image

And that picture is all I need to be confident in my assessment of this game. Which I will also use as my way of ending this little diatribe we're having.

I always hated that phrase. It just encourages people to use one picture as evidence while ignoring everything else. It's just the opposite of "Never judge a book by its cover."

So, sure. Stay ignorant. I'll be here enjoying this amazing game that you are trying so hard to dislike just because of a single, 3 second gif with no dialogue.
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Postby Altito Asmoro » Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:14 pm

Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Isn't that pretty much every game? You gotta do the dull crap before the fun starts.


You mean as in every game in the series or just every game in general?


In general.
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Postby Uiiop » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:54 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Abserdia wrote:Jesus Christ Ameri, I respect you and all, but you seem so insufferable right now.
Have you seen any of the actual gameplay? Do you know anything about the story? Have you read any professional reviews? Have you seen anything other than fanart or a few gifs?
Do you have a friend that has finished or is playing the game? Have you played the original NieR?

Because this "fact" that it has no gameplay is so stupid I honestly can't believe it.
It has been positively received mostly for its combat and story. Especially for its story and characters. So please, just shut up. You clearly know nothing about it. Only one or two characters so far have given fanservice, 4 if you count some male bosses who are shirtless for one fight. And in that fight, it's all in a 2D angle at a bit of a distance, so you barely see anything.The most major eyecandy is received from the main character, and that accounts for maybe 20 whole seconds in actual cutscenes, give or take a few. And in those cutscenes it's usually focusing on either her face or some other character. The other character, the one that isn't the two bosses or the main character, can only be called "fanservice" because her shirt is ripped up a bit because she's been in almost endless combat for what seems to be multiple years.

You can't even call something a fact if you've never even played it. I mean, literally everything I've read about this game is raving about the combat and story with a few words given to the fanservice. Are you getting all your NieR knowledge from 2 Tumblr blogs or 4chan?
Because you are so misinformed that it's getting hard to bear. You need to actually know about this kind of stuff before making such harsh criticisms.

Pictures speak more than words.
Image

And that picture is all I need to be confident in my assessment of this game. Which I will also use as my way of ending this little diatribe we're having.

Because something can't have gameplay, plot, whatever and dumb Fanservice at the same time...Right? /s
Cmon you have given no argument to prove what you're saying and you're actually the only one in the internet I've that goes "It's all just fanservice". So if "All i seen and heard" counts for something the evidence is actually against you.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:18 pm

Uiiop wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Pictures speak more than words.
Image

And that picture is all I need to be confident in my assessment of this game. Which I will also use as my way of ending this little diatribe we're having.

Because something can't have gameplay, plot, whatever and dumb Fanservice at the same time...Right? /s
Cmon you have given no argument to prove what you're saying and you're actually the only one in the internet I've that goes "It's all just fanservice". So if "All i seen and heard" counts for something the evidence is actually against you.

You're talking to Ameri. I've bashed my head against that wall enough times to know that there's no point. Ignore him when he's slamming stuff you like, and give something a shot when he says that it's good.
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Postby The Rebel Alliances » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:44 pm

Philjia wrote:I finally got Fire Emblem Fates: Conquest. This is my first playthrough of Fates, and I'm enjoying it quite a lot so far. I don't think it's quite up to the standard of Awakening, which I really adore, but good nonetheless.


I got Fates: Birthright but purchased the Conquest and Revelation storylines. It was my first Fire Emblem Game and...it was amazing. I dropped so far 100+ hrs and am still playing it just on a harder difficulty. I do plan for my current playthrough to be my last for a while and it's nearly over. The game single handedly made me a fan of the series and the Conquest story is my favorite.

I have just acquired Awakening a couple days ago so it's too soon to judge but it has a high bar to surpass in my opinion.

Other recent additions to my gaming library include Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn for the Wii and Dragon Ball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 3(which I am doing a review on) and Naruto Clash of Ninja Revolution 3 also for the Wii.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:51 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:You're talking to Ameri. I've bashed my head against that wall enough times to know that there's no point. Ignore him when he's slamming stuff you like, and give something a shot when he says that it's good.

Yup.
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Postby Immoren » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:56 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Because something can't have gameplay, plot, whatever and dumb Fanservice at the same time...Right? /s
Cmon you have given no argument to prove what you're saying and you're actually the only one in the internet I've that goes "It's all just fanservice". So if "All i seen and heard" counts for something the evidence is actually against you.

You're talking to Ameri. I've bashed my head against that wall enough times to know that there's no point. Ignore him when he's slamming stuff you like, and give something a shot when he says that it's good.


When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*




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Postby Ameriganastan » Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:16 am

Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*

Ooh, I like that. That's going in the sig.
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Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity

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Postby Philjia » Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:14 am

The Rebel Alliances wrote:
Philjia wrote:I finally got Fire Emblem Fates: Conquest. This is my first playthrough of Fates, and I'm enjoying it quite a lot so far. I don't think it's quite up to the standard of Awakening, which I really adore, but good nonetheless.


I got Fates: Birthright but purchased the Conquest and Revelation storylines. It was my first Fire Emblem Game and...it was amazing. I dropped so far 100+ hrs and am still playing it just on a harder difficulty. I do plan for my current playthrough to be my last for a while and it's nearly over. The game single handedly made me a fan of the series and the Conquest story is my favorite.

I have just acquired Awakening a couple days ago so it's too soon to judge but it has a high bar to surpass in my opinion.

Other recent additions to my gaming library include Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn for the Wii and Dragon Ball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 3(which I am doing a review on) and Naruto Clash of Ninja Revolution 3 also for the Wii.


My experience with Awakening was downloading the demo out of curiosity and immediately being totally smitten with it. The plot starts to drunkenly meander after the first story arc, but by that point I couldn't care less as I was so in love with the characters.

Also you should note that Radiant Dawn is a sequel to a GameCube title called Path of Radiance.
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Postby The Rebel Alliances » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:49 am

Philjia wrote:
The Rebel Alliances wrote:
I got Fates: Birthright but purchased the Conquest and Revelation storylines. It was my first Fire Emblem Game and...it was amazing. I dropped so far 100+ hrs and am still playing it just on a harder difficulty. I do plan for my current playthrough to be my last for a while and it's nearly over. The game single handedly made me a fan of the series and the Conquest story is my favorite.

I have just acquired Awakening a couple days ago so it's too soon to judge but it has a high bar to surpass in my opinion.

Other recent additions to my gaming library include Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn for the Wii and Dragon Ball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 3(which I am doing a review on) and Naruto Clash of Ninja Revolution 3 also for the Wii.


My experience with Awakening was downloading the demo out of curiosity and immediately being totally smitten with it. The plot starts to drunkenly meander after the first story arc, but by that point I couldn't care less as I was so in love with the characters.

Also you should note that Radiant Dawn is a sequel to a GameCube title called Path of Radiance.


Wait, there was a Gamecube title? Gonna take a guess and say that finding that game is going to be like finding Latias in gen 3.
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Remnant Architects are pretty cool, i like the design, can be an utter bastard to fight sometimes though, but still enjoyable.
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Postby Abserdia » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:32 am

Finished Ending A of NieR: Automata, aka:
flowers for m[A]chines

It made me feel bad.
I don't know what to expect with the next routes.

Welp, time to get on with it then.
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Postby Philjia » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:54 am

The Rebel Alliances wrote:
Philjia wrote:
My experience with Awakening was downloading the demo out of curiosity and immediately being totally smitten with it. The plot starts to drunkenly meander after the first story arc, but by that point I couldn't care less as I was so in love with the characters.

Also you should note that Radiant Dawn is a sequel to a GameCube title called Path of Radiance.


Wait, there was a Gamecube title? Gonna take a guess and say that finding that game is going to be like finding Latias in gen 3.

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Postby Cisairse » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:18 pm

Czechanada wrote:
Abserdia wrote:Then they never got to the second half of the game, which is where it shines. The 3 main characters are all amazing, and the girl who gives you most of the fan service actually has an explanation as to why she wears her revealing clothes. It's an important part of her story that is revealed only in the second play through.

...You're just missing out on what may be called the best story on this generation of consoles. Or the best story of the last generation of consoles.


That's a contradictory argument to be making; Stories can only be classified as the best if the entire story is good.

For example, the novels Lolita and Ulysses are masterpieces because their stories are great from start to finish, and form a meaningful and collective whole.

No one in literary criticism has ever said: "Yeah, that book's second half is great; It's worth it to slog through." Why shouldn't we have the same expectations of video games?


I've always heard people say that about To Kill a Mockingbird.

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Postby New haven america » Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:15 pm

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My experience with Awakening was downloading the demo out of curiosity and immediately being totally smitten with it. The plot starts to drunkenly meander after the first story arc, but by that point I couldn't care less as I was so in love with the characters.

Also you should note that Radiant Dawn is a sequel to a GameCube title called Path of Radiance.


Wait, there was a Gamecube title? Gonna take a guess and say that finding that game is going to be like finding Latias in gen 3.

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Postby New haven america » Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:20 pm

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That's a contradictory argument to be making; Stories can only be classified as the best if the entire story is good.

For example, the novels Lolita and Ulysses are masterpieces because their stories are great from start to finish, and form a meaningful and collective whole.

No one in literary criticism has ever said: "Yeah, that book's second half is great; It's worth it to slog through." Why shouldn't we have the same expectations of video games?


I've always heard people say that about To Kill a Mockingbird.

There's also a writing style called "Slow Burn" where the story usually starts off slow (Spending that time building the world and characters), and then picks up around the last half, quarter, etc... of the story. (Schindler's List is a good example)
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Postby Onekawa-Nukanor » Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:41 pm

New haven america wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
I've always heard people say that about To Kill a Mockingbird.

There's also a writing style called "Slow Burn" where the story usually starts off slow (Spending that time building the world and characters), and then picks up around the last half, quarter, etc... of the story. (Schindler's List is a good example)


I feel like that might be a difference in which the first part is slow and gradually builds up and then at the end pays off making for an overall fantastic experience because the slow burn helped to lay a great foundation for the story

The problem is when the slow burn doesn't add anything to the experience because it's poorly written, unessecarily drawn out etc but has a superior second half that's excellent. This makes the first part seem like a waste in comparison and have you wonder why the first half is so bad if the second is excellent.

In relation to games this can be a big deal. No one wants to waste time playing a game. I feel like the Monster Hunter series has a bad reputation for doing this, since it seems the first part of the game is mind numbing busy work and acts as a tutorial that goes on for hours. I've heard Final Fantasy 13 did this and had a boring and really drawn out dozen hours, but I haven't played that so I can't say with much authority that is.

Regardless of how excellent the latter parts of a game might be, that doesn't excuse the poor first half of anything, and even emphasises how it doesn't compare to the game later on since it leaves you thinking 'how can they bugger it up so bad?'.

There is nothing wrong with slow burn games, and often this slow burn can result and add to an amazing experience. But slow burn shouldn't be confused with poor pacing, filler content etc. Slow burn is often good, the latter is terrible.
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Postby Abserdia » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:37 pm

Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:
New haven america wrote:There's also a writing style called "Slow Burn" where the story usually starts off slow (Spending that time building the world and characters), and then picks up around the last half, quarter, etc... of the story. (Schindler's List is a good example)


I feel like that might be a difference in which the first part is slow and gradually builds up and then at the end pays off making for an overall fantastic experience because the slow burn helped to lay a great foundation for the story

The problem is when the slow burn doesn't add anything to the experience because it's poorly written, unessecarily drawn out etc but has a superior second half that's excellent. This makes the first part seem like a waste in comparison and have you wonder why the first half is so bad if the second is excellent.

In relation to games this can be a big deal. No one wants to waste time playing a game. I feel like the Monster Hunter series has a bad reputation for doing this, since it seems the first part of the game is mind numbing busy work and acts as a tutorial that goes on for hours. I've heard Final Fantasy 13 did this and had a boring and really drawn out dozen hours, but I haven't played that so I can't say with much authority that is.

Regardless of how excellent the latter parts of a game might be, that doesn't excuse the poor first half of anything, and even emphasises how it doesn't compare to the game later on since it leaves you thinking 'how can they bugger it up so bad?'.

There is nothing wrong with slow burn games, and often this slow burn can result and add to an amazing experience. But slow burn shouldn't be confused with poor pacing, filler content etc. Slow burn is often good, the latter is terrible.

Whether or not NieR fits into the former or latter category is very subjective, but I still think it's a great story even if the first half is a bad "slow burn."

Also, most of the game takes place in the second half, since you'll be playing the first half only once and the second 2 times, 4 if you go in without a guide and/or common sense. Granted, the second time playing is much easier and you'll decimate most enemies, but it's still a rather solid chunk of gametime compared to the start of the game, especially with the short novel you have to read at the beginning of Ending B.

By the way, if you do plan on playing the original NieR...

Use a guide. It isn't hard or anything. You just don't want to play through the entire game all over again just to get the final endings.
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