Paradox Games V: Oh baby! I love you so---*heart attack*

[U n i t y]

Culture changes slowly, geopolitical realities change in an instant. Stellaris starts in 2200. That's almost 200 years in the future. 200 years in the past, America was basically a democratic oligarchy,

It still kinda is.

the idea of an European Union was laughable,

China wasn't really Chinese.

Don't talk to me or my empire ever again.

Pakistan? Ha, the idea of India was not even around!

This man would like to disagree with you.

While it took a very long time for the European concept of nationalism to reach Asia, the idea of "India" as a singular thing had been around for centuries. It was actually the Europeans who were slow on the uptake - they got it confused with Ethiopia up until the 1600s.

I am fine with Turkey because they're really odd, cultural from Central Asia, wants to join the EU, and religiously Sunni which is predominantly Arabic dominated.

Looks like you fell for the "turks are from central asia" meme.
Turkomans are from central asia, yes, but the Turkish have more in common with the Greeks and Arabs then they do with the ancient Turkomans from an ethnic standpoint.

If we're looking at geopolitical realities, than the EU should be a thing, not a Baltic Union or something like that.

#brexit[/quote]
lol.

I can't tell if you're being serious so I guess I will assume you are.

America is a unequal country yes, but oligarch's money can only go so far now and everyone can vote. 1816, you had to be like cheescake to vote, rich and white (along with owning a lot of land and being male, rich people just don't cut it.)

Giant French Empire does not equal European Union. Especially considering Europe destroyed France eventually.

She's not Chinese, she's Manchurian. I assume that's Dowager Ci- Xi, she is a Manchu, not Chinese. And she was around in 1900 when the Qing Empire had started accepting Chinese people. In 1816, if you were a Manchu, you enjoyed massive advantages over the Chinese.

Who is that? Based on my research, India was only united through conquest and held together through dynasty. There was no idea of a pan- national Indian state. Different ethnic groups, especially the north vs the south, constantly warred against each other, there were and are large differences between Indians.

There is a meme about that? From what I know, Turks are most similar to the people of Central Asia (as they migrated from there.) They share a similar language too. Yes, they assimilated many Greeks and soaked in a lot of Arabic influences of the majority of their genes are most similar to those from Central Asia.

Brexit is a fair point, also, UK is unlikely to remain in EU if it centralizes(please don't quote me on this) so us two didn't put UK in the EU.

Feel free to argue with me.

[The Jonathanian States]

Lads - Unity, Ben -
with all due respect I don't think the P'dox thread is the place for a deeper discusion into these subjects, as interesting as they may be.

[U n i t y]

Lads - Unity, Ben -
with all due respect I don't think the P'dox thread is the place for a deeper discusion into these subjects, as interesting as they may be.

We're discussing this to find names for planets Earth colonizes in Stellaris.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Lads - Unity, Ben -
with all due respect I don't think the P'dox thread is the place for a deeper discusion into these subjects, as interesting as they may be.

We're discussing this to find names for planets Earth colonizes in Stellaris.

New France, New Paris, New New Orelans, New Normandy.

For in the grim blue future of the 2200s, there is only France.

And New Russia.

[Western Pacific Territories]

Has anyone wondered what would happen if you took a German Empire colonizing/owning most of the Indonesia region and elected a socialist government?

About 300,000-400,000 nationalist rebels.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Has anyone wondered what would happen if you took a German Empire colonizing/owning most of the Indonesia region and elected a socialist government?

About 300,000-400,000 nationalist rebels.

Hehehe, such is life.

[Renoa]

We're discussing this to find names for planets Earth colonizes in Stellaris.

New France, New Paris, New New Orleans and if you misspell it again Imma cut you, New Normandy.

For in the grim blue future of the 2200s, there is only France.

And New Russia.

Why New New Orleans? Cleveland is a bigger city than New Orleans, and absolutely no one wants a New Cleveland.

[The Huskar Social Union]

New France, New Paris, New New Orleans and if you misspell it again Imma cut you, New Normandy.

For in the grim blue future of the 2200s, there is only France.

And New Russia.

Why New New Orleans? Cleveland is a bigger city than New Orleans, and absolutely no one wants a New Cleveland.

One is French.

The other is not.

Also that misspell was a harmless accident, try and cut me and i will end you.

[U n i t y]

Has anyone wondered what would happen if you took a German Empire colonizing/owning most of the Indonesia region and elected a socialist government?

About 300,000-400,000 nationalist rebels.

Electing different parties has no impact on revolt risk. It may raise or lower militancy per day but doesn't cause revolts.

[Western Pacific Territories]

Has anyone wondered what would happen if you took a German Empire colonizing/owning most of the Indonesia region and elected a socialist government?

About 300,000-400,000 nationalist rebels.

Electing different parties has no impact on revolt risk. It may raise or lower militancy per day but doesn't cause revolts.

I never had a revolt before this, and the only rebels that were a actual threat were either Jacobins or Reactionaries. There wasn't a nationalist rebel movement before I elected the socialists, then the exact day I elect them two massive rebellions occur.

[Renoa]

Why New New Orleans? Cleveland is a bigger city than New Orleans, and absolutely no one wants a New Cleveland.

One is French.

The other is not.

Also that misspell was a harmless accident, try and cut me and i will end you.

Why not another French city that doesn't have a dumpy mid-sized American city already named after it? Why doesn't Bordeaux get any love?

[U n i t y]

Electing different parties has no impact on revolt risk. It may raise or lower militancy per day but doesn't cause revolts.

I never had a revolt before this, and the only rebels that were a actual threat were either Jacobins or Reactionaries. There wasn't a nationalist rebel movement before I elected the socialists, then the exact day I elect them two massive rebellions occur.

Its not a game mechanic and never has been.

Must be pure luck, are you sure you never saw them before?

[Herargon]

One is French.

The other is not.

Also that misspell was a harmless accident, try and cut me and i will end you.

Why not another French city that doesn't have a dumpy mid-sized American city already named after it? Why doesn't Bordeaux get any love?

Or Marseille, it's a nice city as well. Toulouse and Dijon pop up into my mind too.

[Herargon]

I think that if we're going to make conditions to be able to convert a game of HOI3 or HOI4 into Stellaris, there should be three conditions on which you could do that. My idea is as following:

The first one is obviously, needing to have one tagged the world. Which means: having conquered literally everything in the world. You then become either a pre-FTL civilisation, or a FTL civilisation. That depends on the following things:

• If you haven't completed all techs, you will become a Machine Age (thus Industrial) Primitive Civilisation. (let's call a primitive civilisation a pricion or a PC, anyways).

• If you have completed and researched most techs (including the nukes) but not all techs however, you can become an Atomic Age Civilisation.

There is a slight (small) chance of your civilisation ending early in Stellaris whilst being in the Atomic Age, due to nuking yourself - which can happen through events.

• If you have completed and researched all techs, including the nukes, you will either become an Atomic Age civilisation (well, the last era before FTL, but I'm not sure if Atomic is that last era), or a FTL civilisation.

There is a small chance you will be an Atomic Age Civilisation. Maybe like 16%, whilst the other 84% is the chance of becoming a FTL civilisation.

Through technology purely, and having dominance.
Your technology or culture group (Germanic, Slavic, etc.), Religious group (for the sake of simplicity, banter, and good working game mechanics, let's just put Atheism and Agnosticism in that group as well), needs to be the most dominant one.

You need to:

• Have the most advanced technology of all nations (not necessarily to research everything, just be the most advanced), AND have the most present culture and religious group,

OR:

• Have researched every technology and have the most present culture and religious group.

OR:

• Needs to have no other culture AND/or religion in the world aside from your own dominant one.

Political leaning. This can be done in two ways as well.

You need to either,

• Have won the Second World War (if you have a WW1 mod: WW1 as well needs to have been won by you!), AND
have the most countries lean to your side, compared within all three sides (Axis, Liberty?, Comintern).
Thus you need to have more countries on your side than there is on the side of each other two (seen separate).

OR:

• Have all independent countries lean to your own political leaning.

If you win it like way 2) or 3), depending on how far your technology is like according to 1), you will either become a primitive Atomic or Machine Civilisation, or a FTL Civilisation.

[Western Pacific Territories]

>mfw German Communists rise up against their German, Communist government.

"Quick! Our comrades of the government have become the bourgeois! We must overthrow them!"

[Kalmarium]

We're discussing this to find names for planets Earth colonizes in Stellaris.

New France, New Paris, New New Orelans, New Normandy.

For in the grim blue future of the 2200s, there is only France.

And New Russia.

Russia would be a scattering of territories on everyone else's planets.

[Benomia 3]

"Quick! Our comrades of the government have become the bourgeois! We must overthrow them!"

This literally describes Trotskyism.

[Western Pacific Territories]

"Quick! Our comrades of the government have become the bourgeois! We must overthrow them!"

This literally describes Trotskyism.

TBH though I'm fairly certain my government is following Stalinism, though with all the communist ideologies out there I have no clue. Features of my government include Planned Economy and Atheism.

[U n i t y]

I think that if we're going to make conditions to be able to convert a game of HOI3 or HOI4 into Stellaris, there should be three conditions on which you could do that. My idea is as following:

1) The first one is obviously, needing to have one tagged the world. Which means: having conquered literally everything in the world. You then become either a pre-FTL civilisation, or a FTL civilisation. That depends on the following things:

• If you haven't completed all techs, you will become a Machine Age (thus Industrial) Primitive Civilisation. (let's call a primitive civilisation a pricion or a PC, anyways).

• If you have completed and researched most techs (including the nukes) but not all techs however, you can become an Atomic Age Civilisation.

There is a slight (small) chance of your civilisation ending early in Stellaris whilst being in the Atomic Age, due to nuking yourself - which can happen through events.

• If you have completed and researched all techs, including the nukes, you will either become an Atomic Age civilisation (well, the last era before FTL, but I'm not sure if Atomic is that last era), or a FTL civilisation.

There is a small chance you will be an Atomic Age Civilisation. Maybe like 16%, whilst the other 84% is the chance of becoming a FTL civilisation.


2) Through technology purely, and having dominance.
Your technology or culture group (Germanic, Slavic, etc.), Religious group (for the sake of simplicity, banter, and good working game mechanics, let's just put Atheism and Agnosticism in that group as well), needs to be the most dominant one.

You need to:

• Have the most advanced technology of all nations (not necessarily to research everything, just be the most advanced), AND have the most present culture and religious group,

OR:

• Have researched every technology and have the most present culture and religious group. Basically, genocide.

OR:

• Needs to have no other culture AND/or religion in the world aside from your own dominant one.
Massssss geno-/culturocide.


3) Political leaning. This can be done in two ways as well.

You need to either,

• Have won the Second World War (if you have a WW1 mod: WW1 as well needs to have been won by you!), AND
have the most countries lean to your side, compared within all three sides (Axis, Liberty?, Comintern).
Thus you need to have more countries on your side than there is on the side of each other two (seen separate).

OR:

• Have all independent countries lean to your own political leaning.

----

If you win it like way 2) or 3), depending on how far your technology is like according to 1), you will either become a primitive Atomic or Machine Civilisation, or a FTL Civilisation.

The thing is, the machine age is 1890, not 1950. Also, Stellaris begins almost 200 years after right now, not after 1951 so it is impossible to know if your empire would've survived. Also, 2200 was chosen because it is somewhat likely humanity will have achieved FTL travel then so starting as a pre- FTL civilization will be unrealistic. Also, you can't play as a pre- FTL species at the moment.

[Benomia 3]

This literally describes Trotskyism.

TBH though I'm fairly certain my government is following Stalinism, though with all the communist ideologies out there I have no clue. Features of my government include Planned Economy and Atheism.

If it's Victoria II, it more or less means you're just following a more dogmatic version of proletarian dictatorshipdom, which is in and of itself nonsectarian (it was part of Engels's original post-revolutionary planset, but not really expanded upon by anybody else) and also not actually unique to communism (the idea of a benevolent dictatorship that favors the lower social strata is by no means exclusive to one political ideology).

The sects only really start to differentiate when you get into what happens after the dictatorship of the proletariat.

[Benomia 3]

Also, you can't play as a pre- FTL species at the moment.

Technically you can't play as any species at the moment.

[Roma Byzantina]

TBH though I'm fairly certain my government is following Stalinism, though with all the communist ideologies out there I have no clue. Features of my government include Planned Economy and Atheism.

If it's Victoria II, it more or less means you're just following a more dogmatic version of proletarian dictatorshipdom, which is in and of itself nonsectarian (it was part of Engels's original post-revolutionary planset, but not really expanded upon by anybody else) and also not actually unique to communism (the idea of a benevolent dictatorship that favors the lower social strata is by no means exclusive to one political ideology).

The sects only really start to differentiate when you get into what happens after the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Communism is pretty interesting in Vicky 2. CBs for spreading Communism, Five-year plans, purges, Relations events with capitalist and communist nations. Its definitely able to represent all sectors of the system.

[Herargon]

Also, you can't play as a pre- FTL species at the moment.

Technically you can't play as any species at the moment.

Technically, you are playing as one species right now. In real life.

[Benomia 3]

Technically you can't play as any species at the moment.

Technically, you are playing as one species right now. In real life.

>implying

If it's Victoria II, it more or less means you're just following a more dogmatic version of proletarian dictatorshipdom, which is in and of itself nonsectarian (it was part of Engels's original post-revolutionary planset, but not really expanded upon by anybody else) and also not actually unique to communism (the idea of a benevolent dictatorship that favors the lower social strata is by no means exclusive to one political ideology).

The sects only really start to differentiate when you get into what happens after the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Communism is pretty interesting in Vicky 2. CBs for spreading Communism, Five-year plans, purges, Relations events with capitalist and communist nations. Its definitely able to represent all sectors of the system.

I imagine it definitely would be fun if you were in a position to seriously project your power. My only foray with it so far as been as America, and that was both remarkably short and quite distanced away from being able to realistically bring the world to my new socialist worldview.

When I get back to my Qing game I'm hoping to eventually be able to implement Fullcommunism from Beijing and eventually spread my barbeque-flavored Chinese democracy to the rest of the world. It'll take awhile but I'm sure I'll be able to pull it off.

[Western Pacific Territories]

If it's Victoria II, it more or less means you're just following a more dogmatic version of proletarian dictatorshipdom, which is in and of itself nonsectarian (it was part of Engels's original post-revolutionary planset, but not really expanded upon by anybody else) and also not actually unique to communism (the idea of a benevolent dictatorship that favors the lower social strata is by no means exclusive to one political ideology).

The sects only really start to differentiate when you get into what happens after the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Communism is pretty interesting in Vicky 2. CBs for spreading Communism, Five-year plans, purges, Relations events with capitalist and communist nations. Its definitely able to represent all sectors of the system.

Really?

I guess it's time to spread communism to Russia.