Paradox Games V: Oh baby! I love you so---*heart attack*

[Herargon]

Special emphasis on the date.

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Officially going on my Castile Ironman run for A Protected Market and, hopefully, . . . I think it's called Master of India? I'm not going to bother fact checking that, you can tell my intention. This game is already diverging pretty heavily from my normal play, I was forced to accept France rivaling me despite working for and getting an alliance at game start. I've also somewhat resignedly made the decision to actively bring down France instead of hoping to go our separate ways and do Cold War-esque things to each other. It's going to be difficult, I struck at them when they were weakest and it was extremely noticeable when they picked up Elan right in the middle of the war. *sigh* France, I loved you. And you loved me. Why did you have to force this upon me?

Another point of divergence is picking up Religious second, instead of Expansion. It'll be more useful than ever before to take it so early because of the new colonization rules surrounding trade company zones, aside from its primary purpose of being the first step in going for a Theocracy.

Also, it's just too hilarious to see what I've done and see that we're still historical friends.

Portugal: 'You've completely annexed me save for a few shit islands, left me to die, and are oppressing my people in my former capital. Still love you, though.'

[Kalmarium]

I think it's time to make Mexico great again.

[Benomia 3]

I think it's time to make the Qing Dynasty of China great again.

[Kalmarium]

I'm thinkin' Arby's.

[Ifreann]

I think it's time to make the Qing Dynasty of China great again.

Proceed.

[Geisenfried]

The Baltic Union and Mediterranean should combine. Pakistan should be in India. Indonesia should have its own region with Malaysia and Singapore. Sub- Saharan Africa will have a bunch of highly varied names. Maybe call it the African Union. Combine Asia- Pacific with China to form one nation?

Remember, I'm not only looking at culture, but also at geopolitical realities. Pakistan is probably culturally closer to India... but let's face it, they've hated each other for years, up to the point where they have nuclear weapons specifically to counter each other. Not to mention there's basis for an Iran-Pakistan alliance as they're decently close. There's even grounds for a Turkey-Iran-Pakistan/Central Asia bloc, so I'm happy keeping them as is. Also keeps me from figuring out whether to give Turkey to Europe or the Middle East (answer: neither!)

That said, I had less grounds for splitting up Europe politically - they've definitely got some differences, but nothing near the rest, really. But basically trying to give a nod to both France's and Germany's historical importance, as well as giving a reason to use their different linguistic families. That said... now that's it's not the middle of the night my time, I've come to realize that any Romance names from the Mediterranean group are going to be similar to any non-native names from Hispanic Latin America, so I might just put Europe back together again and use Germanic ones instead, with a few French references because it's not Paradox without a little France.

It's not the African Union because I didn't want like 5 unions. Nation names are for flavor, it's the composition that counts. Sub-Saharan Africa could be split and focused many different ways, but at the same time I want them to have relative power to the rest of the national blocs, even counting economic improvement from now to Stellaris start date. I picked 'Confederation of the Congo' not because I feel Congo is particularly important (I'd probably lean towards putting things in South Africa, with Ethiopia or Nigeria being close behind were I developing them more) but because alliteration and I like how it rolls off the tongue. Maybe I'll make it the 'Confederation of the Congo and the Sub-Sahara' long-form just to clarify things.

India-Japan was originally thought out as an anti-China bloc of sorts, while giving a nod to their history, and giving a reason to use a bunch of fun different names. But I also want to give each their own limelight. Malaysia/Indonesia is definitely something to consider, but Japan/Korea on their own and India on its own is a little bit less... interesting, for lack of a better term. I mean maybe smash India + Southeast Asia, Malaysia, Indonesia and China with Japan/Korea could be considered, but I'd have to explain why China stopped hating the latter two and vice-versa.

[Benomia 3]

Went with the same start as I did Vietnam (cheesing enough so I can westernize 1840).

Proceeded to war to reunify China until I had reunified everybody so hard even Moscow was scared. "Reunify China" being a zero-infamy CB and Qing starting with enough jingoism to add wargoals is a really, really nice combination - I reunified all of China in three wars (Manchuria, Yunnan, and then Xinjiang, in that order).
Korea, Tibet, and Mongolia remained satellites.

I then began the long process of post-westernization modernization. The shit ton of events that add +7% Liberal to low/middle strata on average in one state helped to get a nice ~45% liberal upper house, which allowed me to push enough reforms to turn into a Semiconstitutional Monarchy. That slowed the ridiculous flood of immigrants that were leaving my shores (averaged around -5000 in 1842, but once I became semiconstitutional it dropped to -580 in 1843).

Also it turns out that China's ludicrous population means that I don't have to use NFs to promote craftsmen - they'll do it themselves. That means that within four years of westernizing I had one of the largest industrial economies period. I became a GP in '42 (replacing the Kebabomans), rising to #4 in the world by '44.

For your interest, I have 104 million POPs as of 1844 (three times that of the U.K. including India).

Also my westernization apparently crashed the world's market with no survivors. I currently produce over 99% of the world's tea, 98% of the world's silk, 83% of the world's cotton, 81% of the world's coal, 80% of the world's iron, 72% of the world's wood, 68% of the world's steamer convoys, 61% of the world's luxury clothes, 60% of the world's paper, 57% of the world's tropical wood, and 52% of the world's grain. And that's only including the goods that I have over half the market on.



TLDR:
>我崩潰這個市場
>同
>沒有
>倖存者

[Bojikami]

I think it's time to make the Qing Dynasty of China great again.

Never! China for the Chinese! Build the wall!

[Anywhere Else But Here]

I think I somehow managed to inherit a tyranny penalty from one of my viceroys. Which is total bullshit.

[Geisenfried]

Vicky China is craaaazy strong, which is why it's (supposed to, at least) to have all sorts of barriers to actually be able to bring it's power to bear.

[Benomia 3]

Vicky China is craaaazy strong, which is why it's (supposed to, at least) to have all sorts of barriers to actually be able to bring it's power to bear.

So I see. I have 0.6 militancy but a list of rebels and movements larger than the Romance of the Three Kingdoms.

[The Jonathanian States]

Also my westernization apparently crashed the world's market with no survivors. I currently produce over 99% of the world's tea, 98% of the world's silk, 83% of the world's cotton, 81% of the world's coal, 80% of the world's iron, 72% of the world's wood, 68% of the world's steamer convoys, 61% of the world's luxury clothes, 60% of the world's paper, 57% of the world's tropical wood, and 52% of the world's grain. And that's only including the goods that I have over half the market on.

I believe that happens normally once there's a unified westernized china but especially if it does so early.

TLDR:
>我崩潰這個市場
>同
>沒有
>倖存者

Inglez, Compadre?

[Western Pacific Territories]

>1871
>form germany
>elect socialists into power
>200,000 nationalist rebels spawn

I'M CRASHING THIS EUROPE, WITH NO SURVIVORS!

[Benomia 3]

Heavenly Kingdom trying to come fuck me up
we each have 200+ brigades
this is gonna be fun

long live qina

[Benomia 3]

Became a Constitutional Monarchy, crushed the Taiping Rebellion. Took almost four years but I did it.

About seven million POPs died in the war, which I guess means twenty-eight million people, which is actually a lot less than IRL so I guess I did good.

That being said, the "Mandate of Heaven Restored!" event that fires after the rebellion ends absolutely murdered the idea of liberalism in China, which means it looks like I'm done with reforms for awhile.

However it's no matter, as I have passed every single Political Reform except the last reform in Voting Systems and Political Parties ('Proportional Representation' and 'Secret Ballots,' respectively) as well as maxing out Press Rights and Political Rights.

Also, the Junjichu Part (Conservative party in Qing) is State Capitalist, which means I am totally okay with remaining conservative until socialism debuts.

這裡是你無法理解
我怎麼能只
殺了人…

[Shaggai]

Became a Constitutional Monarchy, crushed the Taiping Rebellion. Took almost four years but I did it.

About seven million POPs died in the war, which I guess means twenty-eight million people, which is actually a lot less than IRL so I guess I did good.

That being said, the "Mandate of Heaven Restored!" event that fires after the rebellion ends absolutely murdered the idea of liberalism in China, which means it looks like I'm done with reforms for awhile.

However it's no matter, as I have passed every single Political Reform except the last reform in Voting Systems and Political Parties ('Proportional Representation' and 'Secret Ballots,' respectively) as well as maxing out Press Rights and Political Rights.

Also, the Junjichu Part (Conservative party in Qing) is State Capitalist, which means I am totally okay with remaining conservative until socialism debuts.

這裡是你無法理解
我怎麼能只
殺了人…

Younger Brother of Jesus Christ that's a lot of dead people.

[U n i t y]

Became a Constitutional Monarchy, crushed the Taiping Rebellion. Took almost four years but I did it.

About seven million POPs died in the war, which I guess means twenty-eight million people, which is actually a lot less than IRL so I guess I did good.

That being said, the "Mandate of Heaven Restored!" event that fires after the rebellion ends absolutely murdered the idea of liberalism in China, which means it looks like I'm done with reforms for awhile.

However it's no matter, as I have passed every single Political Reform except the last reform in Voting Systems and Political Parties ('Proportional Representation' and 'Secret Ballots,' respectively) as well as maxing out Press Rights and Political Rights.

Also, the Junjichu Part (Conservative party in Qing) is State Capitalist, which means I am totally okay with remaining conservative until socialism debuts.

這裡是你無法理解
我怎麼能只
殺了人…

\
Just do event 18090 to pass reforms. I mean, its just a game!

What do you mean seven million? If you mean soldiers, A. Only adult males who aren't too old can be soldiers so no times four this time for pop B. Its counting casualties, not deaths.

I love playing as China because well, China, but it crashes the economy so fast .

Qina? Do you mean ZhongGuo, the Middle Kingdom? Also, please stop writing in traditional Chinese. That script hurts me, please write in Simplified Chinese.

[Ifreann]

Became a Constitutional Monarchy, crushed the Taiping Rebellion. Took almost four years but I did it.

About seven million POPs died in the war, which I guess means twenty-eight million people, which is actually a lot less than IRL so I guess I did good.

That being said, the "Mandate of Heaven Restored!" event that fires after the rebellion ends absolutely murdered the idea of liberalism in China, which means it looks like I'm done with reforms for awhile.

However it's no matter, as I have passed every single Political Reform except the last reform in Voting Systems and Political Parties ('Proportional Representation' and 'Secret Ballots,' respectively) as well as maxing out Press Rights and Political Rights.

Also, the Junjichu Part (Conservative party in Qing) is State Capitalist, which means I am totally okay with remaining conservative until socialism debuts.

這裡是你無法理解
我怎麼能只
殺了人…

Younger Brother of Jesus Christ that's a lot of dead people.

Don't worry, China has plenty more.

[U n i t y]

The Baltic Union and Mediterranean should combine. Pakistan should be in India. Indonesia should have its own region with Malaysia and Singapore. Sub- Saharan Africa will have a bunch of highly varied names. Maybe call it the African Union. Combine Asia- Pacific with China to form one nation?

Remember, I'm not only looking at culture, but also at geopolitical realities. Pakistan is probably culturally closer to India... but let's face it, they've hated each other for years, up to the point where they have nuclear weapons specifically to counter each other. Not to mention there's basis for an Iran-Pakistan alliance as they're decently close. There's even grounds for a Turkey-Iran-Pakistan/Central Asia bloc, so I'm happy keeping them as is. Also keeps me from figuring out whether to give Turkey to Europe or the Middle East (answer: neither!)

That said, I had less grounds for splitting up Europe politically - they've definitely got some differences, but nothing near the rest, really. But basically trying to give a nod to both France's and Germany's historical importance, as well as giving a reason to use their different linguistic families. That said... now that's it's not the middle of the night my time, I've come to realize that any Romance names from the Mediterranean group are going to be similar to any non-native names from Hispanic Latin America, so I might just put Europe back together again and use Germanic ones instead, with a few French references because it's not Paradox without a little France.

It's not the African Union because I didn't want like 5 unions. Nation names are for flavor, it's the composition that counts. Sub-Saharan Africa could be split and focused many different ways, but at the same time I want them to have relative power to the rest of the national blocs, even counting economic improvement from now to Stellaris start date. I picked 'Confederation of the Congo' not because I feel Congo is particularly important (I'd probably lean towards putting things in South Africa, with Ethiopia or Nigeria being close behind were I developing them more) but because alliteration and I like how it rolls off the tongue. Maybe I'll make it the 'Confederation of the Congo and the Sub-Sahara' long-form just to clarify things.

India-Japan was originally thought out as an anti-China bloc of sorts, while giving a nod to their history, and giving a reason to use a bunch of fun different names. But I also want to give each their own limelight. Malaysia/Indonesia is definitely something to consider, but Japan/Korea on their own and India on its own is a little bit less... interesting, for lack of a better term. I mean maybe smash India + Southeast Asia, Malaysia, Indonesia and China with Japan/Korea could be considered, but I'd have to explain why China stopped hating the latter two and vice-versa.

Culture changes slowly, geopolitical realities change in an instant. Stellaris starts in 2200. That's almost 200 years in the future. 200 years in the past, America was basically a democratic oligarchy, the idea of an European Union was laughable, Communism was not yet invented, and China wasn't really Chinese. Pakistan? Ha, the idea of India was not even around!

I am fine with Turkey because they're really odd, cultural from Central Asia, wants to join the EU, and religiously Sunni which is predominantly Arabic dominated.

If we're looking at geopolitical realities, than the EU should be a thing, not a Baltic Union or something like that.

Okay, but get rid of Congo. Do the Confederation of Sub- Saharan Africa or something. Congo is a small part of Sub- Saharan Africa. The Niger region and South Africa are also important.

Okay, idea. Japan- Korea- China. Culturally, linguistically, and geographically similar. India and Indo- China because fun. Malaysia, Indonesia with a few other nations.

[Kalmarium]

Like an idiot I just realized that Stellaris comes out the last day of the semester for me.

[Imperial--japan]

Vlad von Carstein was assassinated?

Eh, to be fair, Sylvania got DoW'd by everyone in the empire at start.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

Going to do an AAR soon for the After the End.

Decided to play as the Americanist patricians, and see how long my dynasty can hold power, and the presidency. Something along the lines of Oligarchs of Chesapeake.

[Renoa]

So remmber that Neo Aztec Horselord?

Well his grandson has become the prophet of Consumerism.

The prophet of Consumerism in my Guyana game is an Angeleno named Frank.

Frank Davis.

[Geisenfried]

Remember, I'm not only looking at culture, but also at geopolitical realities. Pakistan is probably culturally closer to India... but let's face it, they've hated each other for years, up to the point where they have nuclear weapons specifically to counter each other. Not to mention there's basis for an Iran-Pakistan alliance as they're decently close. There's even grounds for a Turkey-Iran-Pakistan/Central Asia bloc, so I'm happy keeping them as is. Also keeps me from figuring out whether to give Turkey to Europe or the Middle East (answer: neither!)

That said, I had less grounds for splitting up Europe politically - they've definitely got some differences, but nothing near the rest, really. But basically trying to give a nod to both France's and Germany's historical importance, as well as giving a reason to use their different linguistic families. That said... now that's it's not the middle of the night my time, I've come to realize that any Romance names from the Mediterranean group are going to be similar to any non-native names from Hispanic Latin America, so I might just put Europe back together again and use Germanic ones instead, with a few French references because it's not Paradox without a little France.

It's not the African Union because I didn't want like 5 unions. Nation names are for flavor, it's the composition that counts. Sub-Saharan Africa could be split and focused many different ways, but at the same time I want them to have relative power to the rest of the national blocs, even counting economic improvement from now to Stellaris start date. I picked 'Confederation of the Congo' not because I feel Congo is particularly important (I'd probably lean towards putting things in South Africa, with Ethiopia or Nigeria being close behind were I developing them more) but because alliteration and I like how it rolls off the tongue. Maybe I'll make it the 'Confederation of the Congo and the Sub-Sahara' long-form just to clarify things.

India-Japan was originally thought out as an anti-China bloc of sorts, while giving a nod to their history, and giving a reason to use a bunch of fun different names. But I also want to give each their own limelight. Malaysia/Indonesia is definitely something to consider, but Japan/Korea on their own and India on its own is a little bit less... interesting, for lack of a better term. I mean maybe smash India + Southeast Asia, Malaysia, Indonesia and China with Japan/Korea could be considered, but I'd have to explain why China stopped hating the latter two and vice-versa.

Culture changes slowly, geopolitical realities change in an instant. Stellaris starts in 2200. That's almost 200 years in the future. 200 years in the past, America was basically a democratic oligarchy, the idea of an European Union was laughable, Communism was not yet invented, and China wasn't really Chinese. Pakistan? Ha, the idea of India was not even around!

I am fine with Turkey because they're really odd, cultural from Central Asia, wants to join the EU, and religiously Sunni which is predominantly Arabic dominated.

If we're looking at geopolitical realities, than the EU should be a thing, not a Baltic Union or something like that.

Okay, but get rid of Congo. Do the Confederation of Sub- Saharan Africa or something. Congo is a small part of Sub- Saharan Africa. The Niger region and South Africa are also important.

Okay, idea. Japan- Korea- China. Culturally, linguistically, and geographically similar. India and Indo- China because fun. Malaysia, Indonesia with a few other nations.

Eh, true. Still, I'm happy with Central Asia bloc (in fact, probably might expand it, give it some of the old Soviet Central Asian states, to counteract that Russia has most of Eastern Europe). Kazakhstan's staying with the Russians though, Baikonur's important since we're talking about spaaaace.

Like I said, will probably remerge EU and focus on Germanic influences to counterbalance that Latin America has Hispanic/Romance roots that would be very similar if I focused on the France/Spain/Italy side of the equation.

Whether is the Confederation of the Congo, the Sub-Saharan Confederacy or *random clicking noises*, the point isn't the name but the concept of an African nation from which I can pull ideas for names and terminologies. We can at least agree on that, right?

Culturally speaking, yeah, it wouldn't be too terrible to smoosh China, Korea and Japan together, but still, I dunno. Indonesia/Malaysia/Singapore/Philippines could be put together culturally, but they don't seem to have as much 'oomph' as some of the other nation combos. A united ASEAN might work but that leaves India by itself, so... why not add them in the party as well? That's what I was thinking.

[The Jonathanian States]

Going to do an AAR soon for the After the End.

Decided to play as the Americanist patricians, and see how long my dynasty can hold power, and the presidency. Something along the lines of Oligarchs of Chesapeake.

Good luck.