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by Eol Sha » Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:55 pm

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by Lunas Legion » Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:09 am

by The Jonathanian States » Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:15 am

by Herargon » Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:16 am
How scifi alliances actually work.Ifreann wrote:That would certainly save the local regiment of American troops the trouble of plugging your head in ye olde shittere.

by Geisenfried » Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:16 am


by Herargon » Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:16 am
The Grey Wolf wrote:It'd be pretty cool if Stellaris had a feature where your civilization could have more than two genders (like in Bugis society).
How scifi alliances actually work.Ifreann wrote:That would certainly save the local regiment of American troops the trouble of plugging your head in ye olde shittere.

by Herargon » Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:18 am
How scifi alliances actually work.Ifreann wrote:That would certainly save the local regiment of American troops the trouble of plugging your head in ye olde shittere.

by Geisenfried » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:25 am
Geisenfried wrote:This might be a little odd, but I'm thinking about working on a backstory for a potential human run in Stellaris - while I'm excited about the multiple alien races, I also want to (eventually) get around to humanity, and given that, I want to build a background so that the story I build when colonizing, naming planets and ships and such all make logical sense.
At first I was thinking going Direct Democracy (Individualist/Xenophile/Materialist as ethos), and having 8 'nations' - of which I would use a name from each to create the names of the planets in the core sector. (5 base + 4 bonus from gov. type = 1 (Earth/Terra) + 8 'national' planets)
Union of Anglic States = America, Great Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand - use English names
European United Republics = European Union minus Britain, more or less - use 'Romance' names (Latin, French, etc.)
Slavo-Central Asian Federation = Russia and most of the former Soviet Union, plus Central Asia (Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan) - use Russian and Slavic names
Pan-Islamic ??? = Middle East and North Africa - use Arabic names - As for what it would be, exactly, don't really want to make this a Caliphate - way too cliched, but also want to preserve the uniqueness
Confederation of the Congo = Sub-Saharan Africa - use Swahili or Zulu names
League of Latin Nations = Latin America - use Hispanic names
People's Protectorate of the Orient = China and Southeast Asia - use Chinese names
Indo-Pacific Commonwealth = India, Indonesia, the Phillippines, Korea and Japan - use Buddhist terms, Indian and Japanese names
However, leaving it at 8 makes for some uncomfortably squashed nations, notably Iran/Persia subsumed by Russia in the SCAF and India/Japan having to share the spotlight. I could put Iran and co. with the Pan-Islamic front, but that's ignoring like centuries of Shia/Sunni conflict. Nor would Direct Democracy really reflect such a government - it's more just using the bonus to get planets so each is represented in the 'core' worlds. Instead, I might be better off splitting some of the nations up, going with like Indirect Democracy, having like 10 or 12 nations and just trying to spread the love around with names, even if some of them get shoved into sectors.
UAS - more or less unchanged - maybe reintegrate Britain into one of the European states, maybe split America to be special cause 'murica! But the names are all English either way, so...
EUR - maybe split into Mediterranean (France, Spain, Italy etc.) and Baltic (Germany and Scandinavia) centered nations, add some Germanic names to the mix?
SCAF - turn into Slavic Eurasian Federation (SEF) for former Soviet Union and give Iran, Pakistan their own nation, maybe include Turkey and the Muslim Caucasus. Turko-Persian something or other?
PI? - more or less the same, I think, just to keep the flavor from getting too diluted
CotC - could probably focus on Nigeria, Ethiopia or South Africa as well if I wanted to, but I think to keep things simple, more or less the same
LLN - more or less the same, though maybe break into Mexico/Central America + Columbia and the Andes and Brazil + some others and have Hispanic/Lusophone split
PPO - more or less the same, China's really important, and while not trying to insult Thailand/Vietnam and co., they're small enough not to really match any other big split
IPC - definitely cut into India + extras and Japan + extras, though not really sure where. Would have to fiddle with names. And despite how cool Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere sounds, way too loaded with history
Another idea involves the fact that apparently Individualist/Militarist leads to the Democratic Crusader AI behavior type, and would make things fun using them as an AI nation in other games. It also brings the potential of having a Military Republic and something like having a pan-Earth expeditionary force being founded for the sake of space exploration after FTL travel and then sort of subsuming the international government upon the discovery of aliens and the necessity of a united human front. Would replace either Xenophile or Materialist with Militarist ethos, probably Materialist. Otherwise I think they'd end up Federation Builders, which is still relatively decent representation of humanity imho.
by U n i t y » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:53 am
\Geisenfried wrote:Geisenfried wrote:This might be a little odd, but I'm thinking about working on a backstory for a potential human run in Stellaris - while I'm excited about the multiple alien races, I also want to (eventually) get around to humanity, and given that, I want to build a background so that the story I build when colonizing, naming planets and ships and such all make logical sense.
At first I was thinking going Direct Democracy (Individualist/Xenophile/Materialist as ethos), and having 8 'nations' - of which I would use a name from each to create the names of the planets in the core sector. (5 base + 4 bonus from gov. type = 1 (Earth/Terra) + 8 'national' planets)
Union of Anglic States = America, Great Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand - use English names
European United Republics = European Union minus Britain, more or less - use 'Romance' names (Latin, French, etc.)
Slavo-Central Asian Federation = Russia and most of the former Soviet Union, plus Central Asia (Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan) - use Russian and Slavic names
Pan-Islamic ??? = Middle East and North Africa - use Arabic names - As for what it would be, exactly, don't really want to make this a Caliphate - way too cliched, but also want to preserve the uniqueness
Confederation of the Congo = Sub-Saharan Africa - use Swahili or Zulu names
League of Latin Nations = Latin America - use Hispanic names
People's Protectorate of the Orient = China and Southeast Asia - use Chinese names
Indo-Pacific Commonwealth = India, Indonesia, the Phillippines, Korea and Japan - use Buddhist terms, Indian and Japanese names
However, leaving it at 8 makes for some uncomfortably squashed nations, notably Iran/Persia subsumed by Russia in the SCAF and India/Japan having to share the spotlight. I could put Iran and co. with the Pan-Islamic front, but that's ignoring like centuries of Shia/Sunni conflict. Nor would Direct Democracy really reflect such a government - it's more just using the bonus to get planets so each is represented in the 'core' worlds. Instead, I might be better off splitting some of the nations up, going with like Indirect Democracy, having like 10 or 12 nations and just trying to spread the love around with names, even if some of them get shoved into sectors.
UAS - more or less unchanged - maybe reintegrate Britain into one of the European states, maybe split America to be special cause 'murica! But the names are all English either way, so...
EUR - maybe split into Mediterranean (France, Spain, Italy etc.) and Baltic (Germany and Scandinavia) centered nations, add some Germanic names to the mix?
SCAF - turn into Slavic Eurasian Federation (SEF) for former Soviet Union and give Iran, Pakistan their own nation, maybe include Turkey and the Muslim Caucasus. Turko-Persian something or other?
PI? - more or less the same, I think, just to keep the flavor from getting too diluted
CotC - could probably focus on Nigeria, Ethiopia or South Africa as well if I wanted to, but I think to keep things simple, more or less the same
LLN - more or less the same, though maybe break into Mexico/Central America + Columbia and the Andes and Brazil + some others and have Hispanic/Lusophone split
PPO - more or less the same, China's really important, and while not trying to insult Thailand/Vietnam and co., they're small enough not to really match any other big split
IPC - definitely cut into India + extras and Japan + extras, though not really sure where. Would have to fiddle with names. And despite how cool Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere sounds, way too loaded with history
Another idea involves the fact that apparently Individualist/Militarist leads to the Democratic Crusader AI behavior type, and would make things fun using them as an AI nation in other games. It also brings the potential of having a Military Republic and something like having a pan-Earth expeditionary force being founded for the sake of space exploration after FTL travel and then sort of subsuming the international government upon the discovery of aliens and the necessity of a united human front. Would replace either Xenophile or Materialist with Militarist ethos, probably Materialist. Otherwise I think they'd end up Federation Builders, which is still relatively decent representation of humanity imho.
Building on this, split up to 11 nations so far and fiddled with names.
Anglosphere Union - America, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand - English names
Baltic Nations Pact - Germany, the Netherlands, Austria, former Czechoslovakia, Poland, Scandinavia and the Baltic States - Germanic names
United Mediterranean Front - France, Belgium, Italy, Iberia, Hungary, northern ex-Yugoslavia - Romance names
Slavic-Eurasian Federation - Russia and most of the former Soviet Union, southern ex-Yugoslavia, Albania, Greece, Bulgaria and Romania - Russian names
Pan-Arabic Islamic States - Arabia, the Gulf States and North Africa - Arabic names
Turko-Persian Alliance - Turkey, Azerbaijan, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan - Turkish & Persian names
Confederation of the Congo - Sub-Saharan Africa - Swahili & Zulu names
League of Latin Republics - Latin America and Brazil - Hispanic & Lusophone names
People's Protectorate of the Orient - China and Indochina - Chinese names
Indian Ocean Coalition - India, Bangladesh, the Himalayan nations and Indonesia - primarily Indian names
Asia-Pacific Commonwealth - Japan, Korea, the Philippines, Malaysia and Singapore - primarily Japanese names
Not entirely perfect, but better than it was. However, compulsion makes me want a nice even 12 than the odd 11, so taking ideas on where I should split out a 12th to form my Earth Federation (and any other ideas for naming languages).

by Benomia 3 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:52 am

by Benomia 3 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:03 am
Benomia 3 wrote:
Well this all sorted itself out in the end, as Ohio, Indiana, Wisconsin, and Illinois all eventually seceded from the PRA and joined me (the FSA).
And then New England declared independence and became my closest ally.
And then all hell broke loose. The CSA rose up with control over Georgia, Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, and Missisipi, and then declared war for the rest of their cores. But between them starting the war and winning it, an international crisis forced the PRA to release "Rio Grande" - which ended up including all of modern-day Texas. The CSA won the war and annexed everything else south of Maryland (including Tuscon and Kansas, as the Colorado Republic had been annexed by that point).
The PRA then annexed the Dakota Republic, but shortly afterward California declared independence - as an Absolute Monarchy. They almost immediately fell to Jacobins though, and are now a republic like almost everyone else.
So then the PRA was just the western half of the Midwest plus Alaska and Maryland. Deseret was still their puppet state at that point.
THEN Jacobins finally broke them. They turned back into a Republic, Deseret broke free, and I declared war for my core (Maryland). I promptly trashed them with my hugely industrialized army and took back D.C. This meant that they were now entirely landlocked outside of Alaska.
And then Alaska declared independence. I don't even know why. They were back to being the USA, a republic, at that point, but Alaska bailed on them anyway. Which was great for me because it meant that the USA was now landlocked. They lost GP status to me soon after that.
The CSA then went to war with Deseret and annex Arizona, so now the CSA owns two full exclaves (Arizona and Kansas).
Also the rest of the world is going to shit, too. Back when the PRA was unified I cheesed a couple wars to install communism in Britain, Russia, France, and Austria. Canada declared independence (that's the greenish Canada you see on the map), and Jacobins eventually broke them back to a stock Republic. However, it survived everywhere else. Prussia apparently decided that it was the new protector of the old world order and went to war with the Soviet Union over Poland, which it won within a year, so now Prussia commands this massive bloc stretching from the Netherlands to Poland and containing more or less everything in between. Yeah it's like 1888 now but they only need Saxony to form the NGF, and considering the ridiculous levels of immigration coming from France, Austria, and the USSR I can't imagine Prussia would lose the wars of unification.
Italy was unified as a Proletarian Dictatorship under France, but doesn't actually control Rome or any of the Two Sicilies so I don't know why France even bothered.
Japan westernized and got GP status (took it from Spain - the GPs now at this point are Britain|France|FSA|Prussia|Soviet Union|Japan|Austria|Two Sicilies, but TS is about to lose it to the CSA) and together with Prussia beat up on the Soviet Union again and again and again.
The Taiping Rebellion lasted over twenty years, which wrecked China's economy so much Japan didn't even bother annexing anything north of Korea.
The end result is that the global Communist domination of Earth lasted about fifteen years before everything went to shit. France, Austria, and the Soviet Union are the only remaining communist GPs, and they all hate each other with a passion so there's basically no chance of a bloc forming. The USSR lost a war to fucking Kokand for crying out loud.
Meanwhile in America the country has splintered enough that there's now a healthy balance of large and dominant protoempires (FSA, CSA, USA) with smaller but economically powerful (and thus un-puppetable) secondary powers (New England, California).
And Deseret. Not sure why we let him stay around, but whatever.



by Herargon » Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:24 am
Benomia 3 wrote:Benomia 3 wrote:
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Here's an up-to-date map. It's October 1891.
EDIT:
And in 1893 the NGF finally unified, after a horrific war against both Austria and the Soviet Union.
They ended up taking Baden and Lithuania as well as sphering Saxony. They're obviously still a Constitutional Monarchy - surrounded on all sides by communists.
)How scifi alliances actually work.Ifreann wrote:That would certainly save the local regiment of American troops the trouble of plugging your head in ye olde shittere.

by Benomia 3 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:57 am
Herargon wrote:Benomia 3 wrote:
Here's an up-to-date map. It's October 1891.
EDIT:
And in 1893 the NGF finally unified, after a horrific war against both Austria and the Soviet Union.
They ended up taking Baden and Lithuania as well as sphering Saxony. They're obviously still a Constitutional Monarchy - surrounded on all sides by communists.
(snipped and spoilered so there's not too much text or pictures)
Holy. What's that giant brown country in the north of the Americas? Minnesota?

by The Huskar Social Union » Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:16 am

by Benomia 3 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:19 am

by The Huskar Social Union » Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:21 am
Cool stuff also france being france it seems, thanks.Benomia 3 wrote:The Huskar Social Union wrote:Which nations in europe are communist or socialist led? You mentioned NGF was surrounded by them.
At the time, it was France, the Soviet Union, Austria, and Italy. For a short time the United Kingdom was also on that list.
Italy eventually annexed Rome and became a GP as a constitutional monarchy. France got destroyed by rebels (eventually becoming a Presidential Dictatorship after about six regime changes) and Austria got broken by Jacobins after also losing to Czech and Banat nationalists, so now it's only the Soviet Union - and they're getting hammered by Militant Socialists right now, so I expect the Bolsheviks to lose power shortly.

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by The Jonathanian States » Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:38 pm
Bralia wrote:Also, it's just too hilarious to see what I've done and see that we're still historical friends.
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