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Favorite Wagame title?

European Escalation (EE)
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15%
AirLand Battle (ALB)
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Red Dragon (RD)
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Postby Erquin » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:04 pm

Now the thing with towed guns is that:

1. Lower profile equals more stealth.

2. Although you would have to pick up and turn the thing around, I do believe it should compensate for having more ammo and bigger barrages.

3. Cheaper than SPGs which are usually (For a common SPG, like the Gvozdika and Akatsia) 55-60 points and very fragile, usually towed by trucks or tracked tractors that are unarmed and can be used to carry infantry, if you see that to be fit.

4. No need to worry about the insane turret turn rate of the likes of the ZSU-23-4! The ZU-23 is handcranked, so the thing will probably be more of a last line of defence or just sometime to plop down as a way to deter helicopter assualts and planes.

5 (Optional). Emplacement system allows AA weaponry or towed weaponry in general to 'dig in' and become immobile and have time to get out of digging in and digging in. This will make a graphic of a little hole in the ground or sandbags, whatever around the artillery piece. However, this graphic will be noticeable even without troops or recon on it, like in forests, some trees would be removed and there would be the graphic. The only thing is that once the towed guns leave, a semi long timer goes and if the position is not modified in time, it will disappear.

5.5 (Optional). For towed weaponry to dig in like described, engineering vehicles have to be brought up. There can be engineering teams of infantry that are slower at doing their job, but are stealthier and can be transported in fast trucks or atleast semi faster troop transports like BTRs and LAVs.

6. Some towed weaponry, like the ZPU-2, should be able to be brought along without a towing vehicle, so that infantry in remote parts can have extra fire power. However, most of these weapons will be lighter weapons.
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Postby Husseinarti » Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:18 am

Erquin wrote:Now the thing with towed guns is that:

1. Lower profile equals more stealth.


Erquin wrote:2. Although you would have to pick up and turn the thing around, I do believe it should compensate for having more ammo and bigger barrages.


Also the fact that it would take minutes, a relatively long time in wargame, to pick up and move the guns in general. Only smaller 105mm systems and the newest 155mm artillery systems like the M777 can do this.

Erquin wrote:4. No need to worry about the insane turret turn rate of the likes of the ZSU-23-4! The ZU-23 is handcranked, so the thing will probably be more of a last line of defence or just sometime to plop down as a way to deter helicopter assualts and planes.


The ZU-23-2 has a very smooth and fast turn rate even for a towed piece, and the ZU-23Ms have electric drives to traverse the guns. It takes roughly 1 minute to set and prepare a ZU-23-2 to fire. It can engage a multitude of fast moving aircraft like the MiG-21s that its been shooting down in Syria. It'll be super annoying.

Erquin wrote:5 (Optional). Emplacement system allows AA weaponry or towed weaponry in general to 'dig in' and become immobile and have time to get out of digging in and digging in. This will make a graphic of a little hole in the ground or sandbags, whatever around the artillery piece. However, this graphic will be noticeable even without troops or recon on it, like in forests, some trees would be removed and there would be the graphic. The only thing is that once the towed guns leave, a semi long timer goes and if the position is not modified in time, it will disappear.


The biggest issue is that wargame hates time. If you think you have time for something, you are wrong and bad and bad and wrong.

Erquin wrote:5.5 (Optional). For towed weaponry to dig in like described, engineering vehicles have to be brought up. There can be engineering teams of infantry that are slower at doing their job, but are stealthier and can be transported in fast trucks or atleast semi faster troop transports like BTRs and LAVs.


Artillerymen dig their own firing positions without needing engineers. :/

Erquin wrote:6. Some towed weaponry, like the ZPU-2, should be able to be brought along without a towing vehicle, so that infantry in remote parts can have extra fire power. However, most of these weapons will be lighter weapons.


That would take 4ever to get them anywhere.
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Postby New Antonalia » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:21 am

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I still wish they would add static defenses, tank traps, barbed wire, and mines for both land and sea.

Yeah, though then they'd have to code and develop minesweepers, engineers, etc.
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Postby Erquin » Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:04 pm

Awww...

I still would love to see towed guns.
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Postby Eisen Choras » Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:19 pm

New Antonalia wrote:
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I still wish they would add static defenses, tank traps, barbed wire, and mines for both land and sea.

Yeah, though then they'd have to code and develop minesweepers, engineers, etc.


Would so love that for a DLC though. I mean, static SAM turrets, HMG, or ATGM would be a game changer and alternate the way people play.
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Postby Achesia » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:36 pm

Imagine my disappointment when the wargame DLCs are only on 10% off for the steam autumn sale :/

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Postby Husseinarti » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:28 pm

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Its just a slightly worse Rafale, and can prob hold its own against one.

Su-27s move over the Yugos have either the second best or the best fighter now.
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Postby Achesia » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:13 pm

Husseinarti wrote:(Image)

Its just a slightly worse Rafale, and can prob hold its own against one.

Su-27s move over the Yugos have either the second best or the best fighter now.


The DLC creep is real.

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Postby Achesia » Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:41 am

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Postby Nova Sylva » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:10 pm

Husseinarti wrote:(Image)

Its just a slightly worse Rafale, and can prob hold its own against one.

Su-27s move over the Yugos have either the second best or the best fighter now.


Yes, but what's the availibility like? I think with both the PU and Raf you can get two at trained (?) or one at elite. That might change with Finland.

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Postby Gorbatov » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:55 pm

They should really give REDFOR ballistic missiles, like the Frog series of missiles. Also the Soviets should also get the 2S5 Giatsint-S, since the Suomi already have their variant.
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Postby Erquin » Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:09 pm

Gorbatov wrote:They should really give REDFOR ballistic missiles, like the Frog series of missiles. Also the Soviets should also get the 2S5 Giatsint-S, since the Suomi already have their variant.

Yeah, they should.

If the frickin Netherlands gets a ballistic missile, why doesnt the Soviet Union get one? Or the united states? Just make them insanely expensive to buy and resupply.
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Postby Gorbatov » Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:40 pm

I believe that the next nation they should do is possibly is the Federation of Arab Republics, or individual nations of Syria and Egypt to counter Israel.
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Postby Husseinarti » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:54 pm

They'd just be even worse versions of pact nations with even less unique equipment.
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Postby Achesia » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:59 pm

Gorbatov wrote:I believe that the next nation they should do is possibly is the Federation of Arab Republics, or individual nations of Syria and Egypt to counter Israel.


I love that idea but I'd rather them come out with a modern wargame to play as a modern version of these nations.

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Postby Autonomous Eastern Ukraine » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:03 pm

Any general advice on how to get gud at this game? I like Redfor (mainly East Germany, USSR and Poland) but I have no idea what I'm doing (despite playing a some of the campaigns in Airland battle and Red Dragon).
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:04 pm

Gorbatov wrote:I believe that the next nation they should do is possibly is the Federation of Arab Republics, or individual nations of Syria and Egypt to counter Israel.


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Postby Husseinarti » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:17 pm

Autonomous Eastern Ukraine wrote:Any general advice on how to get gud at this game? I like Redfor (mainly East Germany, USSR and Poland) but I have no idea what I'm doing (despite playing a some of the campaigns in Airland battle and Red Dragon).


understanding of the limitations of your units well.

Getting a rough concept of the capabilities and inabilities of potential OPFOR/BLUFOR units.

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Postby Gorbatov » Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:43 pm

Some people in Reddit says to add South Africa and Iran.
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Postby Achesia » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:38 pm

Gorbatov wrote:Some people in Reddit says to add South Africa and Iran.


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Postby Husseinarti » Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:59 pm

tbh if we get syrians we'd get panzer ivs and h38s.

So, by that we'd finally have enough to make kinda ww2 mods.
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Postby Gorbatov » Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:48 pm

Husseinarti wrote:tbh if we get syrians we'd get panzer ivs and h38s.

So, by that we'd finally have enough to make kinda ww2 mods.

Also the Egyptians have the IS-3.
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Postby Autonomous Eastern Ukraine » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:54 am

Husseinarti wrote:
Autonomous Eastern Ukraine wrote:Any general advice on how to get gud at this game? I like Redfor (mainly East Germany, USSR and Poland) but I have no idea what I'm doing (despite playing a some of the campaigns in Airland battle and Red Dragon).


understanding of the limitations of your units well.

Getting a rough concept of the capabilities and inabilities of potential OPFOR/BLUFOR units.

SEAD is love, artillery is life. Supply is a bitch to maintain.

So I had the right idea in spamming Strelas and BM-21s?
And yeah I realized it's suicidal to send units unsupported (mainly through having my T-72s get air striked and my garrisoned infantry pummeled by Leopards).
My only problem is I have no idea how to navy but I never play sea maps anyway. Oh and I sometimes forget some of my units are on the field (I'm used to RTS games like CoH and MOWAS).
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Postby Achesia » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:27 am

Autonomous Eastern Ukraine wrote:
Husseinarti wrote:
understanding of the limitations of your units well.

Getting a rough concept of the capabilities and inabilities of potential OPFOR/BLUFOR units.

SEAD is love, artillery is life. Supply is a bitch to maintain.

So I had the right idea in spamming Strelas and BM-21s?
And yeah I realized it's suicidal to send units unsupported (mainly through having my T-72s get air striked and my garrisoned infantry pummeled by Leopards).
My only problem is I have no idea how to navy but I never play sea maps anyway. Oh and I sometimes forget some of my units are on the field (I'm used to RTS games like CoH and MOWAS).


Well navy in red dragon is absolute cancer, so I don't think many play it.

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Postby Husseinarti » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:04 am

Autonomous Eastern Ukraine wrote:
Husseinarti wrote:
understanding of the limitations of your units well.

Getting a rough concept of the capabilities and inabilities of potential OPFOR/BLUFOR units.

SEAD is love, artillery is life. Supply is a bitch to maintain.

So I had the right idea in spamming Strelas and BM-21s?
And yeah I realized it's suicidal to send units unsupported (mainly through having my T-72s get air striked and my garrisoned infantry pummeled by Leopards).
My only problem is I have no idea how to navy but I never play sea maps anyway. Oh and I sometimes forget some of my units are on the field (I'm used to RTS games like CoH and MOWAS).


High level air defense is cool, super long range stuff is able to let you cover troops without getting your ada into the shit.

Also BM-21s are cool, but don't have the accuracy to cover advancing units with highly accurate artillery fire.

Also mortars.
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