The Fallout Thread

[Alekseandrea]

Getting stuck in a gate almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.

Well... your not wrong.

On the other hand, it isn't like he would do something useful if he wasn't stuck in the gate.
He's more entertaining like this.

[Harbertia]

Well... your not wrong.

On the other hand, it isn't like he would do something useful if he wasn't stuck in the gate.
He's more entertaining like this.

I'd draw my gun but my arms are stuck as too are my legs- while a hindrance it would seem I am impervious to harm.

[Harbertia]

When you finally start to see Curie come to terms with Human emotion,
Side with the Institute
Hear her give a none negative analytical reaction to the Institute's victory
Visit Covenant
Take the SAFE test even after finding out that it's suppose to find Synths
Then have the town turn on you as if if 'technological bias' idientified you as Director of the Institute
Only to be killed not by the hostile inhabitants or turrets but by a Hostile Curie

ET TU CURIE?!

[Alekseandrea]

When you finally start to see Curie come to terms with Human emotion,
Side with the Institute
Hear her give a none negative analytical reaction to the Institute's victory
Visit Covenant
Take the SAFE test even after finding out that it's suppose to find Synths
Then have the town turn on you as if if 'technological bias' idientified you as Director of the Institute
Only to be killed not by the hostile inhabitants or turrets but by a Hostile Curie

ET TU CURIE?!

That's what happens without regular resets.
There are just to many memory leaks and all that.

If only someone spend a little more time testing...

[Gloriana Americana]

Getting stuck in a gate almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.

I see your gate glitch and raise you this wall glitch

[Gloriana Americana]

Well... your not wrong.

On the other hand, it isn't like he would do something useful if he wasn't stuck in the gate.
He's more entertaining like this.

*She

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

When you finally start to see Curie come to terms with Human emotion,
Side with the Institute
Hear her give a none negative analytical reaction to the Institute's victory
Visit Covenant
Take the SAFE test even after finding out that it's suppose to find Synths
Then have the town turn on you as if if 'technological bias' idientified you as Director of the Institute
Only to be killed not by the hostile inhabitants or turrets but by a Hostile Curie

ET TU CURIE?!

Wait what? I have never heard of Curie going hostile like that.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

This isn't a problem I'm having here on this thread, but with the fallout fandom in general.

That is, i'm sick of people hating on Bethesda and Fo4 and praising Obsidian and NV.

I'm enjoying both games, I like both games. Neither are perfect, but both are fun.

Fo4 has better gun play and alright lore, NV has ok gun play and great lore.

[Harbertia]

When you finally start to see Curie come to terms with Human emotion,
Side with the Institute
Hear her give a none negative analytical reaction to the Institute's victory
Visit Covenant
Take the SAFE test even after finding out that it's suppose to find Synths
Then have the town turn on you as if if 'technological bias' idientified you as Director of the Institute
Only to be killed not by the hostile inhabitants or turrets but by a Hostile Curie

ET TU CURIE?!

That's what happens without regular resets.
There are just to many memory leaks and all that.

If only someone spend a little more time testing...

Game testing?

[Harbertia]

When you finally start to see Curie come to terms with Human emotion,
Side with the Institute
Hear her give a none negative analytical reaction to the Institute's victory
Visit Covenant
Take the SAFE test even after finding out that it's suppose to find Synths
Then have the town turn on you as if if 'technological bias' idientified you as Director of the Institute
Only to be killed not by the hostile inhabitants or turrets but by a Hostile Curie

ET TU CURIE?!

Wait what? I have never heard of Curie going hostile like that.

I found out about this under notes regarding Covenant on the fallout wiki. I too have never experienced this. But I can imagine it thus "Et tu Curie?" . Story wise it doesn't make since unless Curie has some sever self preservation factor and wants Covenant to see her as Human- but that is a flawed plan. In short I think this is a bug. Covenant dislikes synths... So Curie going hostile because Covenant became hostile to the player (for just entering) is peculiar.

Edit: I know Curie dislikes the Sole Survivor taking the test. Perhaps who ever this happened to had low affinity with her... Though I have not heard of that making Curie hostile.

[Shadowwell]

This isn't a problem I'm having here on this thread, but with the fallout fandom in general.

That is, i'm sick of people hating on Bethesda and Fo4 and praising Obsidian and NV.

I'm enjoying both games, I like both games. Neither are perfect, but both are fun.

Fo4 has better gun play and alright lore, NV has ok gun play and great lore.

None of the Fallout games are perfect, but each have their strong points,
Fallout 4, has its share of problems, mostly relating to there being too much settlement stuff, and the fact that they made it so difficult for modders to actually mod the game, not including settlement related stuff, of course. Then there is the factions, the lore they changed, the creatures they changed, and other stuff.

Oblivion made a better fallout game, than Bethesda, using the same engine, of course NV, would be worse than fallout 4, in some aspects, considering there was half a decade between the two, and different engines.

NV is buggy and has glitches, there are numerous inconsistencies with some things, companions getting lost in walls and floors. One thing NV, definitely has on Fallout 4, is that it is more modder friendly.

[Alekseandrea]

That's what happens without regular resets.
There are just to many memory leaks and all that.

If only someone spend a little more time testing...

Game testing?

Do you want the Doylist or the Watsonian answer?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Wait what? I have never heard of Curie going hostile like that.

I found out about this under notes regarding Covenant on the fallout wiki. I too have never experienced this. But I can imagine it thus "Et tu Curie?" . Story wise it doesn't make since unless Curie has some sever self preservation factor and wants Covenant to see her as Human- but that is a flawed plan. In short I think this is a bug. Covenant dislikes synths... So Curie going hostile because Covenant became hostile to the player (for just entering) is peculiar.

Edit: I know Curie dislikes the Sole Survivor taking the test. Perhaps who ever this happened to had low affinity with her... Though I have not heard of that making Curie hostile.

As far as I know, Curie can not be turned hostile via low affinity.

It sounds like a bug.

I went to Covenant on my RR/Minuteman play though.

Deacon didn't like it when I entered Covenant, but liked when I wiped the compound of the face of the map.

I turned it in to a settlement with Cait.

This isn't a problem I'm having here on this thread, but with the fallout fandom in general.

That is, i'm sick of people hating on Bethesda and Fo4 and praising Obsidian and NV.

I'm enjoying both games, I like both games. Neither are perfect, but both are fun.

Fo4 has better gun play and alright lore, NV has ok gun play and great lore.

None of the Fallout games are perfect, but each have their strong points,
Fallout 4, has its share of problems, mostly relating to there being too much settlement stuff, and the fact that they made it so difficult for modders to actually mod the game, not including settlement related stuff, of course. Then there is the factions, the lore they changed, the creatures they changed, and other stuff.

Oblivion made a better fallout game, than Bethesda, using the same engine, of course NV, would be worse than fallout 4, in some aspects, considering there was half a decade between the two, and different engines.

NV is buggy and has glitches, there are numerous inconsistencies with some things, companions getting lost in walls and floors. One thing NV, definitely has on Fallout 4, is that it is more modder friendly.

I disagree, from personal experience installing mods with NV is more of a pain then installing mods for Fo4.

[Gloriana Americana]

This isn't a problem I'm having here on this thread, but with the fallout fandom in general.

That is, i'm sick of people hating on Bethesda and Fo4 and praising Obsidian and NV.

I'm enjoying both games, I like both games. Neither are perfect, but both are fun.

Fo4 has better gun play and alright lore, NV has ok gun play and great lore.

You can be sick of it all you want, much of the hate and praise respectively is well-deserved.

Bethesda cares more about making a profit than making a game, and it shows in both Fallout 3 and 4. They're not bad games, no, but they lack ambition, content, and quality. They're acceptable games, passable, and that's all they are. If you enjoy them, fine. Nothing wrong with enjoying and liking them, as far as games go they're pretty good. But as far as Fallout games go, they're subpar. Bethesda wants games that are fun and can sell, and why this itself isn't necessarily bad they feel the need to sacrifice everything else about the game to achieve this result. The result is a game that is fun to play, but ultimately mindless.

Obsidian proved that this didn't need to be the case with New Vegas, which is why in spite of the constant bugs, glitches, and crashes it is praised so highly. It is praised because it needs to be, so that Bethesda can realize what they're doing wrong and improve. But they won't, because they're too stubborn. If Bethesda could sit down and look at the criticisms it gets about Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 and take said criticism to heart while striving to improve, then they could make a game just as good - or possibly even better than - New Vegas.

Fallout is a great game.
Fallout 2 is a great game.
Fallout 3 is a good game.
Fallout: New Vegas is a great game.
Fallout 4 is a good game.

Bethesda won't make a game past acceptable quality. Not because they can't, but because they refuse to try. There are a lot of things wrong with Fallout 3 and 4 that could have been easily corrected if an effort had been made to realize this. Bethesda chose to ignore it in favor of $$$. This is why they keep releasing Skyrim, which while fun is also plagued with a lot of quality problems. So long has Bethesda continues to ignore the problems in their games, they will be criticized very harshly and will deserve much of it.

People praise Obsidian because they put in effort, people criticize Bethesda because they don't. If Bethesda could understand that it can make both great games and a lot of money, there would be less criticism. The fact is their games are lazy, which is putting them on the same path that Activision went down with Call of Duty. Eventually more people are going to get tired of it until they hate FO as much as they do CoD.

Bethesda is ruining Fallout by being stagnant and apathetic, and if they don't change they're going to lose customers.

[Shadowwell]

I found out about this under notes regarding Covenant on the fallout wiki. I too have never experienced this. But I can imagine it thus "Et tu Curie?" . Story wise it doesn't make since unless Curie has some sever self preservation factor and wants Covenant to see her as Human- but that is a flawed plan. In short I think this is a bug. Covenant dislikes synths... So Curie going hostile because Covenant became hostile to the player (for just entering) is peculiar.

Edit: I know Curie dislikes the Sole Survivor taking the test. Perhaps who ever this happened to had low affinity with her... Though I have not heard of that making Curie hostile.

As far as I know, Curie can not be turned hostile via low affinity.

It sounds like a bug.

I went to Covenant on my RR/Minuteman play though.

Deacon didn't like it when I entered Covenant, but liked when I wiped the compound of the face of the map.

I turned it in to a settlement with Cait.

None of the Fallout games are perfect, but each have their strong points,
Fallout 4, has its share of problems, mostly relating to there being too much settlement stuff, and the fact that they made it so difficult for modders to actually mod the game, not including settlement related stuff, of course. Then there is the factions, the lore they changed, the creatures they changed, and other stuff.

Oblivion made a better fallout game, than Bethesda, using the same engine, of course NV, would be worse than fallout 4, in some aspects, considering there was half a decade between the two, and different engines.

NV is buggy and has glitches, there are numerous inconsistencies with some things, companions getting lost in walls and floors. One thing NV, definitely has on Fallout 4, is that it is more modder friendly.

I disagree, from personal experience installing mods with NV is more of a pain then installing mods for Fo4.

By Modder, i was meaning, those that make the mods, not users of the mods.

The dialogue system in fallout 4 makes it nearly impossible to make mods that add conttent, that are immersive, there are work arounds though, not to mention the strangeness of the perk and specials system.

Making of the mods for nv, is easier and stuff than it is for fallout 4.

Though, another thing to take into acvount is that people have had nv and that sytem for longer than fo 4 generally speaking of course.

[Maichuko]

I was recently thinking about if they made a fallout game in Alaska, but then I realized that it would be very difficult to justify adding super mutants, or the Brotherhood of steel so they probably wouldn't do it.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

This isn't a problem I'm having here on this thread, but with the fallout fandom in general.

That is, i'm sick of people hating on Bethesda and Fo4 and praising Obsidian and NV.

I'm enjoying both games, I like both games. Neither are perfect, but both are fun.

Fo4 has better gun play and alright lore, NV has ok gun play and great lore.

You can be sick of it all you want, much of the hate and praise respectively is well-deserved.

Bethesda cares more about making a profit than making a game, and it shows in both Fallout 3 and 4. They're not bad games, no, but they lack ambition, content, and quality. They're acceptable games, passable, and that's all they are. If you enjoy them, fine. Nothing wrong with enjoying and liking them, as far as games go they're pretty good. But as far as Fallout games go, they're subpar. Bethesda wants games that are fun and can sell, and why this itself isn't necessarily bad they feel the need to sacrifice everything else about the game to achieve this result. The result is a game that is fun to play, but ultimately mindless.

Obsidian proved that this didn't need to be the case with New Vegas, which is why in spite of the constant bugs, glitches, and crashes it is praised so highly. It is praised because it needs to be, so that Bethesda can realize what they're doing wrong and improve. But they won't, because they're too stubborn. If Bethesda could sit down and look at the criticisms it gets about Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 and take said criticism to heart while striving to improve, then they could make a game just as good - or possibly even better than - New Vegas.

Fallout is a great game.
Fallout 2 is a great game.
Fallout 3 is a good game.
Fallout: New Vegas is a great game.
Fallout 4 is a good game.

Bethesda won't make a game past acceptable quality. Not because they can't, but because they refuse to try. There are a lot of things wrong with Fallout 3 and 4 that could have been easily corrected if an effort had been made to realize this. Bethesda chose to ignore it in favor of $$$. This is why they keep releasing Skyrim, which while fun is also plagued with a lot of quality problems. So long has Bethesda continues to ignore the problems in their games, they will be criticized very harshly and will deserve much of it.

People praise Obsidian because they put in effort, people criticize Bethesda because they don't. If Bethesda could understand that it can make both great games and a lot of money, there would be less criticism. The fact is their games are lazy, which is putting them on the same path that Activision went down with Call of Duty. Eventually more people are going to get tired of it until they hate FO as much as they do CoD.

Bethesda is ruining Fallout by being stagnant and apathetic, and if they don't change they're going to lose customers.

It isn't. People way way way overate New Vegas. It's a good game, but people make it out to be something that it is near perfect.

Especially when the typical "criticism" of fallout 4 is the following:

"I would rather have no more Fallout than the actual pile of shit that was Fallout 4. If I gave you human feces filled with fucking aids to you for dinner as opposed to a nice pizza pie would your logic still be 'be grateful'?"

Fallout 4 did not deserve this vitriol.


Lazy? Nah. Any game that people can put in 200+ hours in and not see all the content is not "lazy".

Both games have clear effort put into them.

[Maichuko]

I was surprised to see that

Doctor Li has joined the Institute

Makes me wish that the survivors of the Enclave had allied with the Institute. imagine an XO-1 armored Enclave veteran leading a squad of Synths into battle.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I was surprised to see that

Doctor Li has joined the Institute

Makes me wish that the survivors of the Enclave had allied with the Institute. imagine an XO-1 armored Enclave veteran leading a squad of Synths into battle.

Only if that Enclave vet is Arch Dornan.

[Versail]

I was surprised to see that

Doctor Li has joined the Institute

Makes me wish that the survivors of the Enclave had allied with the Institute. imagine an XO-1 armored Enclave veteran leading a squad of Synths into battle.

Only if that Enclave vet is Arch Dornan.

Would he still be in the field though?
I mean he would be around 70-90 years old.

[Shadowwell]

Only if that Enclave vet is Arch Dornan.

Would he still be in the field though?
I mean he would be around 70-90 years old.

"OH, you say you're too old, Get cybernetic Replacements, Moron."
That would be Mr. Dornans reaction to that, i think.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Only if that Enclave vet is Arch Dornan.

Would he still be in the field though?
I mean he would be around 70-90 years old.

Give him the same stuff as Kellogg.

[Versail]

Would he still be in the field though?
I mean he would be around 70-90 years old.

"OH, you say you're too old, Get cybernetic Replacements, Moron."
That would be Mr. Dornans reaction to that, i think.

I forgot those existed.

[Sevvania]

It is

It isn't

It's almost as if it's all a matter of personal opinion o:

[Gloriana Americana]

People way way way overate New Vegas. It's a good game, but people make it out to be something that it is near perfect.

Dude, you've only gotten to the Mojave Outpost so far. You have yet to even experience the game in all it's glory.

Especially when the typical "criticism" of fallout 4 is the following:

"I would rather have no more Fallout than the actual pile of shit that was Fallout 4. If I gave you human feces filled with fucking aids to you for dinner as opposed to a nice pizza pie would your logic still be 'be grateful'?"

Fallout 4 did not deserve this vitriol.

That's not criticism, that's bitching. Don't draw any conclusion about anything from a YouTube comment, please. YouTube comments are a special kind of brain dead.

Lazy? Nah. Any game that people can put in 200+ hours in and not see all the content is not "lazy".

Giving players things to do isn't hard. Skyrim has quite a lot to do, and yet much of it is very boring and repetitive and gets old fast. Just because you can do a lot of stuff in the game doesn't mean it wasn't lazily made.

Both games have clear effort put into them.

You know what, you're right. I misspoke earlier. Fallout 4 does have effort put into, but not where it counts. It's not a cash-grab in the true sense of the world, but it's very existence and development was motivated solely by money and not by any love of storytelling or game designing. Bethesda, however, is smarter than EA and Paradox and doesn't chop everything up and sell it to you in bits and pieces.

The result is a finished game that feels hollow, as it lacks any real soul put into it.