The Fallout Thread

[Benuty]

I mainly keep Vulpes alive so I can waltz into the camp with Lilly, and EDE to massacre them all together.

[The Flutterlands]

Can I have some help?

[Yes Im Biop]

Can I have some help?

Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling

[The Flutterlands]

Can I have some help?

Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling

Going to try that. I think my games might just hate me. :/

[Yes Im Biop]

Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling

Going to try that. I think my games might just hate me. :/

Fallout games are known to do that

[Gloriana Americana]

I mainly keep Vulpes alive so I can waltz into the camp with Lilly, and EDE to massacre them all together.

No, no, no you go in with Boone because it gives him points toward his quest when you kill Caesar.

[Yes Im Biop]

Hn, I just found a terminal In Med Tek that says they sell Fixer,,,,but then why isnt Fixer in F4?

[Gloriana Americana]

Hn, I just found a terminal In Med Tek that says they sell Fixer,,,,but then why isnt Fixer in F4?

Probably because there was barely any in New Vegas. I mean really, there are hardly any merchants that sell them and only certain places they spawn. Possibly the most uncommon chem in the entire game.

[Yes Im Biop]

Man I though cook cook was a sick bastard first, turns put he likes em young *shudder*

[Gloriana Americana]

Man I though cook cook was a sick bastard first, turns put he likes em young *shudder*

Doing The Coyotes, eh? I enjoyed confronting and killing those pricks.

Selling slaves to Fiends is one thing, but selling slaves to Cook-Cook? Caesar himself would cringe.

[Prusslandia]

I agree that the NCR would be overextended if it expanded into Legion territory, but I highly doubt the Legion army would stay together at all without Caesar and Lanius.

It wouldn't. Hell, Lanius at the helm would probably drive the Legion into civil war if someone like Vulpes was still around. If they were both dead, then it would probably fracture into a bunch of petty raiding bands constantly fighting each other. The NCR wouldn't have a problem stomping them out, especially as they deal with slave armies revolting and disillusioned Legionaries breaking away. Caesar's Legion and all it's territory would just devolve into one big blood fest with no clearly defined borders or politics, it'd just be every Centurion fighting each other for supremacy to the point they'd be too weak and too unwilling to fight off an NCR incursion. Raiders and tribes would slowly eat away at their territory until the wasn't anything left outside of Arizona.

The Legion can't hold together unless Caesar himself is alive, and since he's not immortal, it will fracture no matter what. The only reason the NCR's had so much trouble with the Legion is because of poor tactics and strategy, take away the Legion's organization and unity and you have something even more pathetic than the Fiends (who are only having so much luck against NCR due to Legion intel and Khan chems and the NCR's garrison at McCarran being undermanned). They'll be stomped because they'll be too busy fighting each other to stave off an outside incursion. These aren't the Greek City-States we're talking about, more like the Italian City-States. They have no loyalty to one another or any reason to fight together and so will turn on each other if it benefits them. Hell, some might even align with the NCR instead of fighting them, most likely disillusioned Legionaries and revolting slave armies.

NCR wouldn't have a problem in Legion territory so long as Caesar is dead, even less so if Lanius and Vulpes are too.

I'm not saying the Legion would survive. I'm just saying that, with its passing, you still have men who are heavily trained in decentralized warfare. They'll splinter and infight, but the survivors will be incredibly lethal veterans, who are, more likely than not, going to end up waging a guerilla war against the NCR. It'll be the Mojave all over again, except this time there is no reason for the NCR public to support such a measure against a collapsed enemy.

[Yes Im Biop]

Man I though cook cook was a sick bastard first, turns put he likes em young *shudder*

Doing The Coyotes, eh? I enjoyed confronting and killing those pricks.

Selling slaves to Fiends is one thing, but selling slaves to Cook-Cook? Caesar himself would cringe.

I slow Purified that motherfucker, jesus christ Obsidian liked it darm. I miss it

[Gloriana Americana]

It wouldn't. Hell, Lanius at the helm would probably drive the Legion into civil war if someone like Vulpes was still around. If they were both dead, then it would probably fracture into a bunch of petty raiding bands constantly fighting each other. The NCR wouldn't have a problem stomping them out, especially as they deal with slave armies revolting and disillusioned Legionaries breaking away. Caesar's Legion and all it's territory would just devolve into one big blood fest with no clearly defined borders or politics, it'd just be every Centurion fighting each other for supremacy to the point they'd be too weak and too unwilling to fight off an NCR incursion. Raiders and tribes would slowly eat away at their territory until the wasn't anything left outside of Arizona.

The Legion can't hold together unless Caesar himself is alive, and since he's not immortal, it will fracture no matter what. The only reason the NCR's had so much trouble with the Legion is because of poor tactics and strategy, take away the Legion's organization and unity and you have something even more pathetic than the Fiends (who are only having so much luck against NCR due to Legion intel and Khan chems and the NCR's garrison at McCarran being undermanned). They'll be stomped because they'll be too busy fighting each other to stave off an outside incursion. These aren't the Greek City-States we're talking about, more like the Italian City-States. They have no loyalty to one another or any reason to fight together and so will turn on each other if it benefits them. Hell, some might even align with the NCR instead of fighting them, most likely disillusioned Legionaries and revolting slave armies.

NCR wouldn't have a problem in Legion territory so long as Caesar is dead, even less so if Lanius and Vulpes are too.

I'm not saying the Legion would survive. I'm just saying that, with its passing, you still have men who are heavily trained in decentralized warfare. They'll splinter and infight, but the survivors will be incredibly lethal veterans, who are, more likely than not, going to end up waging a guerilla war against the NCR. It'll be the Mojave all over again, except this time there is no reason for the NCR public to support such a measure against a collapsed enemy.

They'd be too busy fighting each other to mount a worthwhile offensive. Just send in the Rangers and it's like fighting Vipers.

Doing The Coyotes, eh? I enjoyed confronting and killing those pricks.

Selling slaves to Fiends is one thing, but selling slaves to Cook-Cook? Caesar himself would cringe.

I slow Purified that motherfucker, jesus christ Obsidian liked it darm. I miss it

I like how adult it felt compared to, say, Skyrim. I mean, I'd expect a medieval world to be just as dark as a post-apoc one but... nope. It's rather tame, even by fantasy standards. Meanwhile you got Cass saying "fuck" or "shit" in every sentence. Sometimes both. Sometimes multiple times.

[Prusslandia]

But why would the NCR even want to do such a thing? They've nothing to gain from the East- The desert is barren, any worthwhile technology was likely destroyed, and refugees from the former Legion East are more than likely to flood into the NCR in droves, boosting their economy with hundreds, possibly thousands, of uneducated and educated laborers.

And I honestly think they'd need to mount a dedicated offensive to do such a thing. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I honestly think the Rangers are overhyped. Heavily.

[Gloriana Americana]

But why would the NCR even want to do such a thing? They've nothing to gain from the East- The desert is barren, any worthwhile technology was likely destroyed, and refugees from the former Legion East are more than likely to flood into the NCR in droves, boosting their economy with hundreds, possibly thousands, of uneducated and educated laborers.

And I honestly think they'd need to mount a dedicated offensive to do such a thing. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I honestly think the Rangers are overhyped. Heavily.

Rangers are the NCR's Special Forces, of course they're overhyped. All Spec Ops are, and sometimes it's justifiably overhyped. Now, true, they're no SPARTAN super-soldiers, but they are the NCR's "best of the best". They wouldn't have such an awe-inspiring presence out of pure hype.

[Prusslandia]

But why would the NCR even want to do such a thing? They've nothing to gain from the East- The desert is barren, any worthwhile technology was likely destroyed, and refugees from the former Legion East are more than likely to flood into the NCR in droves, boosting their economy with hundreds, possibly thousands, of uneducated and educated laborers.

And I honestly think they'd need to mount a dedicated offensive to do such a thing. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I honestly think the Rangers are overhyped. Heavily.

Rangers are the NCR's Special Forces, of course they're overhyped. All Spec Ops are, and sometimes it's justifiably overhyped. Now, true, they're no SPARTAN super-soldiers, but they are the NCR's "best of the best". They wouldn't have such an awe-inspiring presence out of pure hype.

Another thing is I think the Legion wouldn't have as many disillusioned deserters as you think. Infighting? Definitely, I think it'd lead to a Wasteland Balkans tbh. But disillusionment? It's quite hard to do that when you're raised from the crib to be in "This Mans Army".

Also, I think the Frumentarii and some other distinct groups would make hell for the NCR. Legionnarie Mujhadeen when?

[Yes Im Biop]

I like how adult it felt compared to, say, Skyrim. I mean, I'd expect a medieval world to be just as dark as a post-apoc one but... nope. It's rather tame, even by fantasy standards. Meanwhile you got Cass saying "fuck" or "shit" in every sentence. Sometimes both. Sometimes multiple times.

Yeah I know right!

[Gloriana Americana]

Rangers are the NCR's Special Forces, of course they're overhyped. All Spec Ops are, and sometimes it's justifiably overhyped. Now, true, they're no SPARTAN super-soldiers, but they are the NCR's "best of the best". They wouldn't have such an awe-inspiring presence out of pure hype.

Another thing is I think the Legion wouldn't have as many disillusioned deserters as you think. Infighting? Definitely, I think it'd lead to a Wasteland Balkans tbh. But disillusionment? It's quite hard to do that when you're raised from the crib to be in "This Mans Army".

Also, I think the Frumentarii and some other distinct groups would make hell for the NCR. Legionnarie Mujhadeen when?

Not really. If Caesar's dead and the Legion is fighting itself it doesn't matter how many brainwashed killing machines there were fighting for it, it wouldn't take a genius to realize how flawed the whole thing was, how Caesar was a dick, and how he couldn't build something to last after his death. The smarter ones who aren't complete dickholes will likely jump ship if they aren't killed first.

[Gloriana Americana]

Yeah I know right!

Is it wrong that I laugh whenever Cass opens her mouth? Honestly, she always has funny shit to say, intentional or not.

[Yes Im Biop]

Yeah I know right!

Is it wrong that I laugh whenever Cass opens her mouth? Honestly, she always has funny shit to say, intentional or not.

KJ love cass, Nearly as much as EDE

[Gloriana Americana]

Is it wrong that I laugh whenever Cass opens her mouth? Honestly, she always has funny shit to say, intentional or not.

KJ love cass, Nearly as much as EDE

Cass is definitely my favorite.

Lily is probably my least favorite, just don't like her character. Rex is probably next because he's kinda lacking, though he is a dog so it's kinda excusable (but at the same time he's part robot, so it's not). ED-E would be lower than Rex because he's literally just a beeping floating ball that shoots stuff and is basically good for nothing but hauling junk and his work and reloading bench features. Lonesome Road, however, makes him 50x more enjoyable to have. I just wish he had been like that in the base game. It feels like we got cheated there, but the clone in the Divide gives ED-E enough redeeming points to surpass Rex. Then comes Veronica, who I find incredibly annoying. Her personality, her opinions, her everything. I just find it too irritating and I feel she's overrated. Only reason she's higher than ED-E is because I like her quest and her connection to Elijah. Boone comes in for third best, as I like his character but I hate the whole "silent, brooding" type. It feels too emo, but other than that he's pretty great. Arcade I place in second because his quest is the most worthwhile of them all, and he's a pretty likable guy. Cass is best because she's funny and fun, and so is her quest. Only thing I hate about her character is how you have to go all the way to Crimson Caravan, do a delivery job for them, and then have to talk her into giving up her caravan that CC destroyed with the Van Graffs just to recruit her.

Revenge did feel good though.

[Prusslandia]

KJ love cass, Nearly as much as EDE

Cass is definitely my favorite.

Lily is probably my least favorite, just don't like her character. Rex is probably next because he's kinda lacking, though he is a dog so it's kinda excusable (but at the same time he's part robot, so it's not). ED-E would be lower than Rex because he's literally just a beeping floating ball that shoots stuff and is basically good for nothing but hauling junk and his work and reloading bench features. Lonesome Road, however, makes him 50x more enjoyable to have. I just wish he had been like that in the base game. It feels like we got cheated there, but the clone in the Divide gives ED-E enough redeeming points to surpass Rex. Then comes Veronica, who I find incredibly annoying. Her personality, her opinions, her everything. I just find it too irritating and I feel she's overrated. Only reason she's higher than ED-E is because I like her quest and her connection to Elijah. Boone comes in for third best, as I like his character but I hate the whole "silent, brooding" type. It feels too emo, but other than that he's pretty great. Arcade I place in second because his quest is the most worthwhile of them all, and he's a pretty likable guy. Cass is best because she's funny and fun, and so is her quest. Only thing I hate about her character is how you have to go all the way to Crimson Caravan, do a delivery job for them, and then have to talk her into giving up her caravan that CC destroyed with the Van Graffs just to recruit her.

Revenge did feel good though.

You forgot Raul.

Personally, I find Boone to be a rather boring character. 1st spot for me is tied between Cass and Raul, and then Rex for 2nd, followed by Arcade in 3rd, Lily in 4th, and Boone and EDE tied for last place.

[Salus Maior]

1.Is the institute wrong to value life cheaply?
Human lifes in the commonwealth are by most standards not worth much.

2.So that's like 20 people. In total. And to be fair, Kellog did give them 48 hours to give him the data. The institute didn't know that they hadn't found the data yet. If they had given the institute access to the terminals, they might have survived.


3.The minuteman is a cult of personality.
They're like a standing army without a steady source of income or working command structure.
If you've got a few bad harvests or can't feed them for some other reason, minutemen will become raiders. If you've got weak leadership they'll collapse. If they lose their radio, they'll collapse. This has happened before, so why wouldn't it happen again after the SS passes away?

4.I don't know what to think about the farmers banding together and all. If they banded together effectively, where did the raiders get their food? There's an awful lot of raiders for the amount of farmers.

5.The institute is the faction who is capable of improving the quality of life the most.

6.The BoS is the best suited for making and keeping the commonwealth safe.

7.And the minutemen are the least stable organisation, the most vulnerable organisation AND the least capable of keeping the commonwealth safe.

8.They have the moral high ground, sure, but I doubt that many people in the commonwealth care about that.

1. Yes. If civilization is going to be rebuilt, the idea that human life should be protected rather than cheaply thrown away at a whim, or be the subject of random experiments, needs to be reinstated.

2. They didn't bother to check for themselves either before slaughtering the town. And from Nick's dialogue he mentions similar events in plural, this is a fairly common thing for the Institute to do.

3. The Minuteman organization that died long before the SS woke up was that, true. The Minutemen in game, is an organization rebuilt from scratch. The structure of which depending entirely on what the SS does with it.

And weak leadership and communication issues is something that all factions are at risk of. Do you think the BoS could be as powerful as it is without Maxson taking the helm? Do you think it would remain strong after his death? Do you think the Institute would remain stable if the director was a weak and/or severely polarizing figure? There are two rebellions that happen in the Institute in-game, one from scientists infuriated by Shaun's decision to select you as successor, and one from the Synths tired of the Institute's shit (with the Railroad lighting the match). Instability and fracturing is something that no faction is safe from.

4. My point is, the common people of the Commonwealth are able to stand for themselves and improve their own lives. Raiders are a problem, yes, but according to the Finch's dialogue the Commonwealth was much worse in the decades before, and common people improved it.


5. Wrong. The Institute is best for keeping the Institute's quality of life improving. They have little to no interest in making other peoples' lives better, and honestly I don't think even a SS led Institute could change that. The mindset of the entire Institute can't be changed by one person, and you can't afford to piss off the entire Institute because you need them as your power base. And they're not mindlessly loyal to you, and have proven they can use force against you.

If you want quality of life to improve for the Commonwealth as a whole, then you side with the Minutemen. Because what do you do as the Minutemen? You build and protect settlements, and in those settlements you build stores, food centers, medical clinics, surgeons, guard posts, etc. and you unite the settlements by establishing trade routes. You're literally setting up the foundations of a new nation, like the NCR. This directly and in-game improves life in the Commonwealth. The Institute does not offer and will not offer any such help.

6. So long as it's in their interests to do so. Sure, they protected Rivet City in the Capital Wasteland, at least until they needed a reactor for the Prydwen, so they tore out the city's only power source and left.

7. The Minuteman faction that was destroyed, was that, yes. But the old Minuteman faction also didn't establish new settlements and trade routes like the SS led Minuteman did either. It's a re-founding of the organization, but it can't be said that they will fall into the same pitfalls as the previous organization.

8. Tell that to all of Preston's fans in-game. When you have him as a follower (and it's very understandable if you don't), random NPCs will come up to him and tell him how much they appreciate the Minutemen and what they're doing. When trading Preston out for other companions, several (mostly the "good" ones) will say similar things. So yes, the common people of the Commonwealth actually do prefer the Minutemen.

[Sevvania]

If you want quality of life to improve for the Commonwealth as a whole, then you side with the Minutemen. Because what do you do as the Minutemen? You build and protect settlements, and in those settlements you build stores, food centers, medical clinics, surgeons, guard posts, etc. and you unite the settlements by establishing trade routes. You're literally setting up the foundations of a new nation, like the NCR. This directly and in-game improves life in the Commonwealth.

This is what I do, and this is the gist of my own headcanon, but I can see why some people rule this out when comparing the factions because it's purely optional and can vary drastically across individual playthroughs. Some people take the Minutemen and restore civilization. Some people use it to subjugate the natives and exploit them in forced labor camps. Others build elaborate contraptions in order to grind up their settlers and turn them into soap.

The Minutemen are essentially a blank slate for you to project your own intentions onto, whereas the other factions have some sort of theme and/or a general mode of operation.

[Salus Maior]

If you want quality of life to improve for the Commonwealth as a whole, then you side with the Minutemen. Because what do you do as the Minutemen? You build and protect settlements, and in those settlements you build stores, food centers, medical clinics, surgeons, guard posts, etc. and you unite the settlements by establishing trade routes. You're literally setting up the foundations of a new nation, like the NCR. This directly and in-game improves life in the Commonwealth.

This is what I do, and this is the gist of my own headcanon, but I can see why some people rule this out when comparing the factions because it's purely optional and can vary drastically across individual playthroughs. Some people take the Minutemen and restore civilization. Some people use it to subjugate the natives and exploit them in forced labor camps. Others build elaborate contraptions in order to turn their grind up their settlers and turn them into soap.

The Minutemen are essentially a blank slate for you to project your own intentions onto, whereas the other factions have some sort of theme and/or a general mode of operation.

Although, the settlement mechanic (outside of doing the Nuka World raider thing) incentives you to make the settlers happy. Because happier settlements give you more caps.