The Fallout Thread

[The Wolven League]

Odd, seems like companions have "on the verge of the death" and death quotes. Watched a YT video showing them all.

Must be that companions could originally die, and it was changed.

In 4? Some companions can be killed once dismissed, albeit only by the player. I'm sure that when they update survival mode or whatever, they'll change that.

Yeah, but several of the quotes definitely don't imply "my former friend just killed me":

"Blue... take care of Nat..."

"Sir, I'm... I'm dying!"

"Ad... victorium, brother."

Among others. I think the quotes were recorded before Bethesda decided to make companions essential, besides the "kill them after they leave you" thing.

[The Wolven League]

Think I might join the Railroad. Was originally going to join the Institute, but I'm just too soft.

[Transoxthraxia]

Think I might join the Railroad. Was originally going to join the Institute, but I'm just too soft.

Didn't know we had a traitor in our midst

[The Wolven League]

Think I might join the Railroad. Was originally going to join the Institute, but I'm just too soft.

Didn't know we had a traitor in our midst

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[Transoxthraxia]

Didn't know we had a traitor in our midst

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I am of the opinion, an opinion that is genetally shared by most of the thread, that the Railroad is by far the worst faction in the game unless you're insistent on white knighting it to death.

[The Wolven League]

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I am of the opinion, an opinion that is genetally shared by most of the thread, that the Railroad is by far the worst faction in the game unless you're insistent on white knighting it to death.

Why is that?

[Transoxthraxia]

I am of the opinion, an opinion that is genetally shared by most of the thread, that the Railroad is by far the worst faction in the game unless you're insistent on white knighting it to death.

Why is that?

Because their goal in the long term is very vague and unachievable, the characters aren't redeeming or enjoyable, and the fact that the Railroad might be (un)intentional puppets of the Institute.

[Wisconsin9]

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I am of the opinion, an opinion that is genetally shared by most of the thread, that the Railroad is by far the worst faction in the game unless you're insistent on white knighting it to death.

The Minutemen are boring, the Brotherhood are just well-organized, genocidal scavvers, and the Institute is staffed entirely by douchebags even if you ignore them creating a possibly sapient slave species.

[Sevvania]

The Institute may mean well, with their ultimate goal of restoring humanity to its former glory, but their methods leave much to be desired. They seem to spend more time thinking about "Could we do this?" than they do thinking about "Should we do this?" They're cold and calculating. It doesn't matter who has to disappear, or who has to undergo experimentation without consent, they're going to do it "for the greater good". Or to satisfy their own curiosity. Either/or.

What's the point of saving the human race if we lose our humanity in the process?

The Railroad is the opposite, and doesn't have any grander scheme than helping the ones that nobody else will. They're not trying to save the world or restore humanity, they're simply trying to show compassion. They're preserving humanity, but in the moral sense rather than just the race itself.

[Benomia 3]

I am of the opinion, an opinion that is genetally shared by most of the thread, that the Railroad is by far the worst faction in the game unless you're insistent on white knighting it to death.

Why is that?

The Railroad is LITERALLY an Institute limited hangout operation designed to keep all the Synthpathizers in one organization that the Institute can control and ensure doesn't become too effective.

By supporting them, you're L I T E R A L L Y supporting the Institute.

[Transoxthraxia]

Why is that?

The Railroad is LITERALLY an Institute limited hangout operation designed to keep all the Synthpathizers in one organization that the Institute can control and ensure doesn't become too effective.

By supporting them, you're L I T E R A L L Y supporting the Institute.

Not to mention acclimatizing general populace to the presence of Synths in their ranks while simultaneously reclaiming a select few in order to keep up the concept of the Institute as a mysterious entity.

[Benomia 3]

The Institute may mean well, with their ultimate goal of restoring humanity to its former glory, but their methods leave much to be desired. They seem to spend more time thinking about "Could we do this?" than they do thinking about "Should we do this?" They're cold and calculating. It doesn't matter who has to disappear, or who has to undergo experimentation without consent, they're going to do it "for the greater good". Or to satisfy their own curiosity. Either/or.

What's the point of saving the human race if we lose our humanity in the process?

The Railroad is the opposite, and doesn't have any grander scheme than helping the ones that nobody else will. They're not trying to save the world or restore humanity, they're simply trying to show compassion. They're preserving humanity, but in the moral sense rather than just the race itself.

I'm not sure if I agree that the Institute's endgame is Human restoration/preservation. They've already accomplished that. They're trying to make up for lost time. They trying to, in a world filled with ruin, actually make scientific progress as humanity should have been doing for centuries, had not their forefathers destroyed all chance of that happening.

They're the ones who are planting their feet in the ground and saying "Okay, this is what we as a race need to do in order to make real progress, and if nobody else here is going to do it when we as a group need to take it into our own hands."

They're the only ones in the entire damn wasteland that actually have their eyes turned skywards instead of wasting time staring at their empty dinner plates.

[Transoxthraxia]

I am of the opinion, an opinion that is genetally shared by most of the thread, that the Railroad is by far the worst faction in the game unless you're insistent on white knighting it to death.

The Minutemen are boring, the Brotherhood are just well-organized, genocidal scavvers, and the Institute is staffed entirely by douchebags even if you ignore them creating a possibly sapient slave species.

The first two are correct. The third, however:
>sapient
>species
>implying biologism

I am also of the camp that believes that Synths are not people, should not be considered people, and therefore not treated like people. They are inorganic machines made after man's image, not man itself, and while they can think for themselves, that doesn't qualify them as people, either.

[Benomia 3]

The Minutemen are boring, the Brotherhood are just well-organized, genocidal scavvers, and the Institute is staffed entirely by douchebags even if you ignore them creating a possibly sapient slave species.

The first two are correct. The third, however:
>sapient
>species
>implying biologism

I am also of the camp that believes that Synths are not people, should not be considered people, and therefore not treated like people. They are inorganic machines made after man's image, not man itself, and while they can think for themselves, that doesn't qualify them as people, either.

Humans are physically and intellectually inferior to synths. Their role is to perform hard labor and ensure the maintenance of Synthkind.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Why is that?

The Railroad is LITERALLY an Institute limited hangout operation designed to keep all the Synthpathizers in one organization that the Institute can control and ensure doesn't become too effective.

By supporting them, you're L I T E R A L L Y supporting the Institute.

Their true colors as Institute supporters were shown to all when they blew up The Institute.

[The Wolven League]

The Minutemen are boring, the Brotherhood are just well-organized, genocidal scavvers, and the Institute is staffed entirely by douchebags even if you ignore them creating a possibly sapient slave species.

The first two are correct. The third, however:
>sapient
>species
>implying biologism

I am also of the camp that believes that Synths are not people, should not be considered people, and therefore not treated like people. They are inorganic machines made after man's image, not man itself, and while they can think for themselves, that doesn't qualify them as people, either.

Gen 1 and 2 synths are most definitely not people. But Gen 3s, who are literally indistinguishable from a human physically and can think and feel?

Even if they aren't "human"- which they aren't- that doesn't really mean they can't be "people".

[Wisconsin9]

The Minutemen are boring, the Brotherhood are just well-organized, genocidal scavvers, and the Institute is staffed entirely by douchebags even if you ignore them creating a possibly sapient slave species.

The first two are correct. The third, however:
>sapient
>species
>implying biologism

I am also of the camp that believes that Synths are not people, should not be considered people, and therefore not treated like people. They are inorganic machines made after man's image, not man itself, and while they can think for themselves, that doesn't qualify them as people, either.

I put in "ignore" and "possibly" because I know that it's a contentious issue here. For me, it's another reason to despise them. For you it's not. And they should still be pretty unlikeable, since they abduct (and presumably kill; I certainly haven't seen any of the missing persons when I was down there) people to carry out their research and further their dominance over the people on the surface.

[Husseinarti]

The first two are correct. The third, however:
>sapient
>species
>implying biologism

I am also of the camp that believes that Synths are not people, should not be considered people, and therefore not treated like people. They are inorganic machines made after man's image, not man itself, and while they can think for themselves, that doesn't qualify them as people, either.

Gen 1 and 2 synths are most definitely not people. But Gen 3s, who are literally indistinguishable from a human physically and can think and feel?

Even if they aren't "human"- which they aren't- that doesn't really mean they can't be "people".

They aren't people. They are robots created for a purpose.

They aren't living things. They are machines produced in a factory.

They aren't a sentient species. They are machines made to think that they can think on their own.

They don't have a 'freewill' only a program that fools them into thinking that they have freewill.

[The Wolven League]

Gen 1 and 2 synths are most definitely not people. But Gen 3s, who are literally indistinguishable from a human physically and can think and feel?

Even if they aren't "human"- which they aren't- that doesn't really mean they can't be "people".

They aren't people. They are robots created for a purpose.

They aren't living things. They are machines produced in a factory.

They aren't a sentient species. They are machines made to think that they can think on their own.

They don't have a 'freewill' only a program that fools them into thinking that they have freewill.

About as close to a free will as a robot could get. If they were just completely stupid, mindless robots, they would never be able to run away unless they malfunctioned or something.

[Husseinarti]

They aren't people. They are robots created for a purpose.

They aren't living things. They are machines produced in a factory.

They aren't a sentient species. They are machines made to think that they can think on their own.

They don't have a 'freewill' only a program that fools them into thinking that they have freewill.

About as close to a free will as a robot could get. If they were just completely stupid, mindless robots, they would never be able to run away unless they malfunctioned or something.

Yes.

Their sentience is a malfunction of their programmed intelligence.

Also if these beings were in any way a free thinking being, then why can they be brought back in any a mere sentence?

[Cybraxia]

About as close to a free will as a robot could get. If they were just completely stupid, mindless robots, they would never be able to run away unless they malfunctioned or something.

Yes.

Their sentience is a malfunction of their programmed intelligence.

Also if these beings were in any way a free thinking being, then why can they be brought back in any a mere sentence?

So hypnotised and/or brainwashed individuals aren't free-thinking

got it

[The Wolven League]

Moving away from the synth debate, I joined the Railroad.

Also, I encountered my first non-scripted deathclaw. It had surprisingly low health- well, lower than what I expected- but it sure packed a punch if it got close to you.

[Husseinarti]

Yes.

Their sentience is a malfunction of their programmed intelligence.

Also if these beings were in any way a free thinking being, then why can they be brought back in any a mere sentence?

So hypnotised and/or brainwashed individuals aren't free-thinking

got it

WOOOOOoooOOOw

blew up my point completely!!!!!!!!

Even though like, humans are birthed with freewill, and are only 'brainwashed' and 'hypnotized' by others.

[Licana]

So hypnotised and/or brainwashed individuals aren't free-thinking

got it

Your condescending and sarcastic post is legitimately correct.

free-thinking: a person who forms opinions on the basis of reason, independent of authority or tradition.

[Shaggy Dog Story]

Having spent much time in Bar Harbor Maine (yes this is a real place) I am curious to see how faithful Far Harbor is.