The Fallout Thread

[Benomia 3]

"You come off as the type of person who rapidly clicks through dialogue and refuses to do any kind of reading or in-game research, only to complain about how stuff wasn't well developed or written good enough. The fact that you think that the Institute is the "morally good" choice and your entire synopsis of the Railroad is "boring" confirms this."


I listened to every dialogue i could (except for the ones that i either accidentally skipped or had a cat jump onto my keyboard and/or mouse)
and i watched the facial expressions, even had subtitles on. I researched the game for quite some time learning a bit more about what the hell i was doing. Even then it was complicated to get much from it.

And if i didn't do any research about anything in a game I'm currently playing or have played, I would not know much about the elderscrolls or the witcher lore, now would I?

The institute has many flaws, yes
and i disagree with them making the synths "slaves"
but you've got to relise the reason we'd make robots with feelings be slaves:
BECAUSE WE DONT WANT TO DO THINGS OURSELVES
or
WE VALUE HUMAN LIFE

as humans, we like to have something do somethings for us
we like to be lazy
EVERY SINGLE PERSON is lazy in some regard.

If you did any INSTITUTE quests or read on institute lore
they're trying to better society with their synths. Again, they value human life.

Why do you think they sent gen 1 and 2 synths at you? They dont want people getting killed.

Coming to conclusions I'd have to say you didn't do all of the questlines
did you?

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[Esternial]

"You come off as the type of person who rapidly clicks through dialogue and refuses to do any kind of reading or in-game research, only to complain about how stuff wasn't well developed or written good enough. The fact that you think that the Institute is the "morally good" choice and your entire synopsis of the Railroad is "boring" confirms this."


I listened to every dialogue i could (except for the ones that i either accidentally skipped or had a cat jump onto my keyboard and/or mouse)
and i watched the facial expressions, even had subtitles on. I researched the game for quite some time learning a bit more about what the hell i was doing. Even then it was complicated to get much from it.

And if i didn't do any research about anything in a game I'm currently playing or have played, I would not know much about the elderscrolls or the witcher lore, now would I?

The institute has many flaws, yes
and i disagree with them making the synths "slaves"
but you've got to relise the reason we'd make robots with feelings be slaves:
BECAUSE WE DONT WANT TO DO THINGS OURSELVES
or
WE VALUE HUMAN LIFE

as humans, we like to have something do somethings for us
we like to be lazy
EVERY SINGLE PERSON is lazy in some regard.

If you did any INSTITUTE quests or read on institute lore
they're trying to better society with their synths. Again, they value human life.

Why do you think they sent gen 1 and 2 synths at you? They dont want people getting killed.

Coming to conclusions I'd have to say you didn't do all of the questlines
did you?

Their idea of bettering humanity is the same as a parent deciding all their child does because it can't think for itself. They see the wasteland and its population as a sapless bunch of primitives that need to be saved from themselves.

They're like the Enclave, just less genocide-ey.

[Benomia 3]

"You come off as the type of person who rapidly clicks through dialogue and refuses to do any kind of reading or in-game research, only to complain about how stuff wasn't well developed or written good enough. The fact that you think that the Institute is the "morally good" choice and your entire synopsis of the Railroad is "boring" confirms this."


I listened to every dialogue i could (except for the ones that i either accidentally skipped or had a cat jump onto my keyboard and/or mouse)
and i watched the facial expressions, even had subtitles on. I researched the game for quite some time learning a bit more about what the hell i was doing. Even then it was complicated to get much from it.

And if i didn't do any research about anything in a game I'm currently playing or have played, I would not know much about the elderscrolls or the witcher lore, now would I?

The institute has many flaws, yes
and i disagree with them making the synths "slaves"
but you've got to relise the reason we'd make robots with feelings be slaves:
BECAUSE WE DONT WANT TO DO THINGS OURSELVES
or
WE VALUE HUMAN LIFE

as humans, we like to have something do somethings for us
we like to be lazy
EVERY SINGLE PERSON is lazy in some regard.

If you did any INSTITUTE quests or read on institute lore
they're trying to better society with their synths. Again, they value human life.

Why do you think they sent gen 1 and 2 synths at you? They dont want people getting killed.

Coming to conclusions I'd have to say you didn't do all of the questlines
did you?

Their idea of bettering humanity is the same as a parent deciding all their child does because it can't think for itself. They see the wasteland and its population as a sapless bunch of primitives that need to be saved from themselves.

They're like the Enclave, just less genocide-ey.

I mean the Enclave's "plan" was omnicide so

[Wisconsin9]

Did you ever stop to ask why?

The Institute had already "won" by the events of Fallout 4. If the LW does nothing to harm them, they could and would have continued indefinitely in their current purpose, as they had essentially no potential threats.
Polishing the floors and building cool robots was more or less all they needed to do, as simply sustaining themselves was enough to ensure their "victory."

"Won" is a big word. They just hadn't ever been in a proper confrontation.

It's been a while since I've read The Art of War, but I seem to recall Sun Tzu rambling a bit about how much better it is to win without having to fight, or putting yourself in a position where victory is assured before you start fighting.

[Esternial]

"Won" is a big word. They just hadn't ever been in a proper confrontation.

It's been a while since I've read The Art of War, but I seem to recall Sun Tzu rambling a bit about how much better it is to win without having to fight, or putting yourself in a position where victory is assured before you start fighting.

Switzerland must be the biggest victor in human history, then.

[Davinhia]

Or your capability of understanding themes, subtlety and motives are juvenile at best.

"INSTITOOTS GOOD CUZ HUMANS ARE LAZY AND SLAVERY IS A COOL RESOLUTION xDDDDDD"

But yes, please do try that "no u" shit after you've been called out on trying too hard.

>Says natural human instinct as a possible motive behind creating the synths
>>Gets called out on just that segment

I never said the institute is good because "slavery woohoo"
no, if you perceived it that way, well I certainly didn't mean it that way

Again: From reading up on lore, and playing the questline for my self, I've come to the conclusion that they value human life

and they just want to better science, something you'd probably imitate in the real world if we were able to
and looking at your progressiveness from your factbook and such, you probably would do it if you were in their shoes
you'd want to better society too





"Their idea of bettering humanity is the same as a parent deciding all their child does because it can't think for itself. They see the wasteland and its population as a sapless bunch of primitives that need to be saved from themselves.

They're like the Enclave, just less genocide-ey."

Children can't really think for themselves until probably near teenage years, as they tend to imitate parents
kids, and synths aren't perfect

The wasteland was a sapless bunch of primitives that need to be saved from themselves. Do you see them? They didn't care much about progressing, and trying to make life better in the wasteland,
no, they all just huddled around a city and basically went
"OH THE INSITUTTUTE THEY R SPIESSZZ SENDING SINTHZZZZZZ BADDDDDDDDDDDD"
while not contributing to society.

[Benomia 3]

"Won" is a big word. They just hadn't ever been in a proper confrontation.

It's been a while since I've read The Art of War, but I seem to recall Sun Tzu rambling a bit about how much better it is to win without having to fight, or putting yourself in a position where victory is assured before you start fighting.

Considering that Sun Tzu was a courser, I find it hard to trust him regarding how wars are fought in modern times.

[Esternial]

Or your capability of understanding themes, subtlety and motives are juvenile at best.

"INSTITOOTS GOOD CUZ HUMANS ARE LAZY AND SLAVERY IS A COOL RESOLUTION xDDDDDD"

But yes, please do try that "no u" shit after you've been called out on trying too hard.

>Says natural human instinct as a possible motive behind creating the synths
>>Gets called out on just that segment

I never said the institute is good because "slavery woohoo"
no, if you perceived it that way, well I certainly didn't mean it that way

Again: From reading up on lore, and playing the questline for my self, I've come to the conclusion that they value human life

and they just want to better science, something you'd probably imitate in the real world if we were able to
and looking at your progressiveness from your factbook and such, you probably would do it if you were in their shoes
you'd want to better society too





"Their idea of bettering humanity is the same as a parent deciding all their child does because it can't think for itself. They see the wasteland and its population as a sapless bunch of primitives that need to be saved from themselves.

They're like the Enclave, just less genocide-ey."

Children can't really think for themselves until probably near teenage years, as they tend to imitate parents
kids, and synths aren't perfect

The wasteland was a sapless bunch of primitives that need to be saved from themselves. Do you see them? They didn't care much about progressing, and trying to make life better in the wasteland,
no, they all just huddled around a city and basically went
"OH THE INSITUTTUTE THEY R SPIESSZZ SENDING SINTHZZZZZZ BADDDDDDDDDDDD"
while not contributing to society.

Mate if you want to be an institute fanboi, fine by me.

Just because the societies that have been built in the wasteland don't compare the the pre-war society doesn't mean they're bad. That's Enclave rhetoric. "Our way or no way" is what you're basically saying.

Humanity shouldn't go back to what it was, to the state that led to the apocalypse. They shouldn't rebuild the old world, but build a new one on top of the ruin of the old.

[Wisconsin9]

It's been a while since I've read The Art of War, but I seem to recall Sun Tzu rambling a bit about how much better it is to win without having to fight, or putting yourself in a position where victory is assured before you start fighting.

Switzerland must be the biggest victor in human history, then.

If maintaining neutrality is their primary strategic goal, then I'd say they've done a fine job of achieving it.

[Benomia 3]

>Says natural human instinct as a possible motive behind creating the synths
>>Gets called out on just that segment

I never said the institute is good because "slavery woohoo"
no, if you perceived it that way, well I certainly didn't mean it that way

Again: From reading up on lore, and playing the questline for my self, I've come to the conclusion that they value human life

and they just want to better science, something you'd probably imitate in the real world if we were able to
and looking at your progressiveness from your factbook and such, you probably would do it if you were in their shoes
you'd want to better society too





"Their idea of bettering humanity is the same as a parent deciding all their child does because it can't think for itself. They see the wasteland and its population as a sapless bunch of primitives that need to be saved from themselves.

They're like the Enclave, just less genocide-ey."

Children can't really think for themselves until probably near teenage years, as they tend to imitate parents
kids, and synths aren't perfect

The wasteland was a sapless bunch of primitives that need to be saved from themselves. Do you see them? They didn't care much about progressing, and trying to make life better in the wasteland,
no, they all just huddled around a city and basically went
"OH THE INSITUTTUTE THEY R SPIESSZZ SENDING SINTHZZZZZZ BADDDDDDDDDDDD"
while not contributing to society.

Mate if you want to be an institute fanboi, fine by me.

Just because the societies that have been built in the wasteland don't compare the the pre-war society doesn't mean they're bad. That's Enclave rhetoric. "Our way or no way" is what you're basically saying.

Humanity shouldn't go back to what it was, to the state that led to the apocalypse. They shouldn't rebuild the old world, but build a new one on top of the ruin of the old.

*below the ruin

[Esternial]

Mate if you want to be an institute fanboi, fine by me.

Just because the societies that have been built in the wasteland don't compare the the pre-war society doesn't mean they're bad. That's Enclave rhetoric. "Our way or no way" is what you're basically saying.

Humanity shouldn't go back to what it was, to the state that led to the apocalypse. They shouldn't rebuild the old world, but build a new one on top of the ruin of the old.

*below the ruin

Bloody Institute trying to be edgy and go against proper post-war standards.

[Licana]

Again: From reading up on lore, and playing the questline for my self, I've come to the conclusion that they value human life

kek

man, just stop while you're behind.

[Esternial]

Switzerland must be the biggest victor in human history, then.

If maintaining neutrality is their primary strategic goal, then I'd say they've done a fine job of achieving it.

[Davinhia]

Mate if you want to be an institute fanboi, fine by me.

Just because the societies that have been built in the wasteland don't compare the the pre-war society doesn't mean they're bad. That's Enclave rhetoric. "Our way or no way" is what you're basically saying.

Humanity shouldn't go back to what it was, to the state that led to the apocalypse. They shouldn't rebuild the old world, but build a new one on top of the ruin of the old.

if you want to be a bethesda fanboi, fine by me.

Just because the wastelanders are freaked the hell out about some better-than-humans android, and can't progress, makes me unable to sympathize with them
and honestly, the enclave is a pretty good faction, not that i agree with anything, but the "our way or no way" needs to issued
you either progress, or are dragged into it forcefully

now i wasn't saying that they shouldnt rebuild the old world
i was saying exactly what you were saying
but have it be even better than anything the wastelanders and their ape-like primitiveness scared of change attitude would

[Wisconsin9]

If maintaining neutrality is their primary strategic goal, then I'd say they've done a fine job of achieving it.

If you disagree, then by all means say so. I'd rather be corrected than stay wrong.

[New Frenco Empire]

Again: From reading up on lore, and playing the questline for my self, I've come to the conclusion that they value human life

kek

man, just stop while you're behind.

^

Mate if you want to be an institute fanboi, fine by me.

Just because the societies that have been built in the wasteland don't compare the the pre-war society doesn't mean they're bad. That's Enclave rhetoric. "Our way or no way" is what you're basically saying.

Humanity shouldn't go back to what it was, to the state that led to the apocalypse. They shouldn't rebuild the old world, but build a new one on top of the ruin of the old.

if you want to be a bethesda fanboi, fine by me.

Just because the wastelanders are freaked the hell out about some better-than-humans android, and can't progress, makes me unable to sympathize with them
and honestly, the enclave is a pretty good faction, not that i agree with anything, but the "our way or no way" needs to issued
you either progress, or are dragged into it forcefully

now i wasn't saying that they shouldnt rebuild the old world
i was saying exactly what you were saying
but have it be even better than anything the wastelanders and their ape-like primitiveness scared of change attitude would

Alright, so you didn't pay attention at all. Coulda just said that earlier.

[Benomia 3]

Mate if you want to be an institute fanboi, fine by me.

Just because the societies that have been built in the wasteland don't compare the the pre-war society doesn't mean they're bad. That's Enclave rhetoric. "Our way or no way" is what you're basically saying.

Humanity shouldn't go back to what it was, to the state that led to the apocalypse. They shouldn't rebuild the old world, but build a new one on top of the ruin of the old.

if you want to be a bethesda fanboi, fine by me.

Just because the wastelanders are freaked the hell out about some better-than-humans android, and can't progress, makes me unable to sympathize with them
and honestly, the enclave is a pretty good faction, not that i agree with anything, but the "our way or no way" needs to issued
you either progress, or are dragged into it forcefully

now i wasn't saying that they shouldnt rebuild the old world
i was saying exactly what you were saying
but have it be even better than anything the wastelanders and their ape-like primitiveness scared of change attitude would

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[Davinhia]

Alright, so you didn't pay attention at all. Coulda just said that earlier.

oboi

How does being slightly emotionally impacted
reading up on lore
researching for a bit
reading fallout wiki pages for hours on end
and playing each quest line...
not paying attention?

we all look at things differently

me, a proggressive standpoint
my friend would probably have same opinion as me,

you and everyone else:
a bethesda fanboi, synth & Wastelander sympathizer stnadpoint

[Esternial]

Mate if you want to be an institute fanboi, fine by me.

Just because the societies that have been built in the wasteland don't compare the the pre-war society doesn't mean they're bad. That's Enclave rhetoric. "Our way or no way" is what you're basically saying.

Humanity shouldn't go back to what it was, to the state that led to the apocalypse. They shouldn't rebuild the old world, but build a new one on top of the ruin of the old.

if you want to be a bethesda fanboi, fine by me.

Just because the wastelanders are freaked the hell out about some better-than-humans android, and can't progress, makes me unable to sympathize with them
and honestly, the enclave is a pretty good faction, not that i agree with anything, but the "our way or no way" needs to issued
you either progress, or are dragged into it forcefully

now i wasn't saying that they shouldnt rebuild the old world
i was saying exactly what you were saying
but have it be even better than anything the wastelanders and their ape-like primitiveness scared of change attitude would

That's a nice retort, pet.

The wastelanders are progressing though. You just don't consider it progress because somehow you assume everyone should be building high-rises and watching reruns of Days of our lives by now.

The thing that the Institute does not offer is equality. The Institute and the Enclave both consider themselves superior over the people surviving in the wasteland and think they know it better, despite not actually living in the wasteland.

It's like the U.S. trying to enforce their democracy and mindset abroad. You can't copy-paste a society.

To top it all off, they have no leadersn, which also its Director explicitly said to you. They can't possibly be a guiding force since there's nobody people would look up to and follow, and their ideas of fixing society in the wasteland are likely not even realistically possible. They rely too heavily on pre-war tech and without it they're shit. They have shown little to no ingenuity with limited resources, because they have no limited resources in their small society. That won't be the same out there.

[Wisconsin9]

me, a proggressive standpoint

You're supporting slavers in the form of the Institute and post-apocalyptic America's version of actual goddamn Nazis in the Enclave. It doesn't get much less progressive than that.

[Esternial]

Alright, so you didn't pay attention at all. Coulda just said that earlier.

oboi

How does being slightly emotionally impacted
reading up on lore
researching for a bit
reading fallout wiki pages for hours on end
and playing each quest line...
not paying attention?

we all look at things differently

me, a proggressive standpoint
my friend would probably have same opinion as me,

you and everyone else:
a bethesda fanboi, synth & Wastelander sympathizer stnadpoint

No need to get upset.

[Licana]

a bethesda fanboi

You do realize how truly retarded calling people who disagree with you re. fallout's east coast lore "bethesda fanbois" is, right?

[Esternial]

a bethesda fanboi

You do realize how truly retarded calling people who disagree with you re. fallout's east coast lore "bethesda fanbois" is, right?

To be fair he's probably only using it because he somewhat got miffed that I casually said the same against him.

[Licana]

You do realize how truly retarded calling people who disagree with you re. fallout's east coast lore "bethesda fanbois" is, right?

To be fair he's probably only using it because he somewhat got miffed that I casually said the same against him.

Two counterpoints:
- It's still retarded
- He's repeating it at other people now

[Lechites]

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You're really upping the shitposting Bez, going for a record?