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Do you have Fallout 4 yet?

yes, and its the best game i've ever played ever
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yes and i hate it. refund when?
94
9%
maybe idk
103
10%
no but im buying it by the end of the year
120
12%
no and ill never play a fallout game in my entire life
50
5%
this pull fucking sucks who let you be op
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Total votes : 1009

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Postby Sevvania » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:29 pm

Gloriana Americana wrote:
Prusslandia wrote:Oh yes, without a doubt.

Also, in the event of an Independent Vegas, what society would y'all construct?

Personally, I'd simply make Vegas a massively profitable place, uplifting the lives of the average Mojave Wastelander. After that, I'd just fuck around with science for the rest of eternity as I establish space colonies.


Benevolent Dictatorship. Courier knows best, after all.

More specifically, I'd turn the Mojave into an actual nation. Every worthwhile location would serve some sort of purpose, while I try to maintain good relations with the NCR. Kick out the Khans, destroy the Brotherhood, provide the Enclave Remnants with amnesty, leave all the settlements (Jacobstown, Novac, Primm, Goodsprings) independent but open trade relations with them and provide them with better protection. Bitter Springs would be a memorial, Nipton would be rebuilt, and Searchlight would be a no-go-zone and also a memorial. Maybe build a memorial for the NCR troopers that died during the Second Battle of Hoover Dam. Open trade routes with the Sorrows and Dead Horses tribals, use technology at Big MT to improve Vegas' standing as a power. Leave the Boomers alone, let the Gun Runners continue to operate and allow Happy Trails to operate in the Mojave while kicking out Crimson Caravan. Probably improve the Dam's defenses in case the Legion comes back. Maybe strip some locations of their tech (Black Mountain, the various factories in Vegas, etc.) and use them to improve Vegas proper.

I'd be fair, just, and all that jazz you know, because I'm not an ass.

The tech from Big MT does open up some interesting possibilities. One of my favorite hypotheticals is the idea of an army that can "respawn":

At Big MT, you encounter the Lobotomites. But they're, well, lobotomized, due to a fault in the surgical procedures they were subjected to. When it works right, however, you've got a brainless body with a head full of "tesla coils," which can recieve instructions from the original brain over a distance.

Previous (and later) games indicate the existence of advanced cloning technology in the Fallout universe. So you recruit your initial batch of soldiers and convert them into Lobotomites. Their brains are housed in a secure off-site location, a bunker or some-such. Their bodies are cloned. You send them out into the wasteland to do what needs to be done, it doesn't matter how many casualties you take because you've still got the brains. Lose a body? Clone a new one for the brain to remote into. Eventually you end up with the most experienced fighting force that ever lived. And died. And lived again.

In theory, anyway. I suspect getting killed isn't great for your mental state, much less getting killed over and over again. The question is whether or not the accumulated combat experience would make up for this and reduce casualty rates to a minimal, or if you'd end up with a bunch of PTSD-stricken brains piloting drug-addled bodies.
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Postby Gloriana Americana » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:37 pm

Sevvania wrote:
Gloriana Americana wrote:
Benevolent Dictatorship. Courier knows best, after all.

More specifically, I'd turn the Mojave into an actual nation. Every worthwhile location would serve some sort of purpose, while I try to maintain good relations with the NCR. Kick out the Khans, destroy the Brotherhood, provide the Enclave Remnants with amnesty, leave all the settlements (Jacobstown, Novac, Primm, Goodsprings) independent but open trade relations with them and provide them with better protection. Bitter Springs would be a memorial, Nipton would be rebuilt, and Searchlight would be a no-go-zone and also a memorial. Maybe build a memorial for the NCR troopers that died during the Second Battle of Hoover Dam. Open trade routes with the Sorrows and Dead Horses tribals, use technology at Big MT to improve Vegas' standing as a power. Leave the Boomers alone, let the Gun Runners continue to operate and allow Happy Trails to operate in the Mojave while kicking out Crimson Caravan. Probably improve the Dam's defenses in case the Legion comes back. Maybe strip some locations of their tech (Black Mountain, the various factories in Vegas, etc.) and use them to improve Vegas proper.

I'd be fair, just, and all that jazz you know, because I'm not an ass.

The tech from Big MT does open up some interesting possibilities. One of my favorite hypotheticals is the idea of an army that can "respawn":

At Big MT, you encounter the Lobotomites. But they're, well, lobotomized, due to a fault in the surgical procedures they were subjected to. When it works right, however, you've got a brainless body with a head full of "tesla coils," which can recieve instructions from the original brain over a distance.

Previous (and later) games indicate the existence of advanced cloning technology in the Fallout universe. So you recruit your initial batch of soldiers and convert them into Lobotomites. Their brains are housed in a secure off-site location, a bunker or some-such. Their bodies are cloned. You send them out into the wasteland to do what needs to be done, it doesn't matter how many casualties you take because you've still got the brains. Lose a body? Clone a new one for the brain to remote into. Eventually you end up with the most experienced fighting force that ever lived. And died. And lived again.

In theory, anyway. I suspect getting killed isn't great for your mental state, much less getting killed over and over again. The question is whether or not the accumulated combat experience would make up for this and reduce casualty rates to a minimal, or if you'd end up with a bunch of PTSD-stricken brains piloting drug-addled bodies.


See, this is the kind of thinking Dr. Mobius was trying to prevent.
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Postby United Ameritania » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:44 pm

Sevvania wrote:
Gloriana Americana wrote:
Benevolent Dictatorship. Courier knows best, after all.

More specifically, I'd turn the Mojave into an actual nation. Every worthwhile location would serve some sort of purpose, while I try to maintain good relations with the NCR. Kick out the Khans, destroy the Brotherhood, provide the Enclave Remnants with amnesty, leave all the settlements (Jacobstown, Novac, Primm, Goodsprings) independent but open trade relations with them and provide them with better protection. Bitter Springs would be a memorial, Nipton would be rebuilt, and Searchlight would be a no-go-zone and also a memorial. Maybe build a memorial for the NCR troopers that died during the Second Battle of Hoover Dam. Open trade routes with the Sorrows and Dead Horses tribals, use technology at Big MT to improve Vegas' standing as a power. Leave the Boomers alone, let the Gun Runners continue to operate and allow Happy Trails to operate in the Mojave while kicking out Crimson Caravan. Probably improve the Dam's defenses in case the Legion comes back. Maybe strip some locations of their tech (Black Mountain, the various factories in Vegas, etc.) and use them to improve Vegas proper.

I'd be fair, just, and all that jazz you know, because I'm not an ass.

The tech from Big MT does open up some interesting possibilities. One of my favorite hypotheticals is the idea of an army that can "respawn":

At Big MT, you encounter the Lobotomites. But they're, well, lobotomized, due to a fault in the surgical procedures they were subjected to. When it works right, however, you've got a brainless body with a head full of "tesla coils," which can recieve instructions from the original brain over a distance.

Previous (and later) games indicate the existence of advanced cloning technology in the Fallout universe. So you recruit your initial batch of soldiers and convert them into Lobotomites. Their brains are housed in a secure off-site location, a bunker or some-such. Their bodies are cloned. You send them out into the wasteland to do what needs to be done, it doesn't matter how many casualties you take because you've still got the brains. Lose a body? Clone a new one for the brain to remote into. Eventually you end up with the most experienced fighting force that ever lived. And died. And lived again.

In theory, anyway. I suspect getting killed isn't great for your mental state, much less getting killed over and over again. The question is whether or not the accumulated combat experience would make up for this and reduce casualty rates to a minimal, or if you'd end up with a bunch of PTSD-stricken brains piloting drug-addled bodies.


Wouldn't it be possible to use the Hologram emitters to create a portable army, as Elijah put it?

I mean, you can't go back to the Sierra Madre, but you have Big MT, which is even better, given how they built them in the first place.

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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:46 pm

Gloriana Americana wrote:Can we all just accept this simple fact: Without the Courier, everybody sucks.

Not the tunnelers. Tunnelers are a true socialist utopia. They depend on no bourgeoise enforcer to protect them. Tunnelers are strong together. Each tunneler can lick each other's elbow.
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Postby Sevvania » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:47 pm

United Ameritania wrote:Wouldn't it be possible to use the Hologram emitters to create a portable army, as Elijah put it?

I mean, you can't go back to the Sierra Madre, but you have Big MT, which is even better, given how they built them in the first place.

I guess you could, but I don't find the hardlight holograms to be as interesting because they seem to be the embodiment of handwavium.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:50 pm

Its weird that the Fallout world got so fucked, they Had Cold Fusion,and they somehow had programmable matter. They should of reached for god hood instead they turned into hot ash, But if the NCR can turn the vending machines into their own, they could easily use them as 3d printers for say, Nuclear weapons, or tanks and fuel and vertibirds
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Postby Sevvania » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:00 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:Its weird that the Fallout world got so fucked, they Had Cold Fusion,and they somehow had programmable matter. They should of reached for god hood instead they turned into hot ash

I imagine the vending machines were prohibitively expensive pre-war, which is why you never see them outside of the monument to extravagance that is the Sierra Madre. But regardless, there's always going to be someone out there who has something you need, or keeps eating your sandwiches out of the mini fridge at work, or is literally Hitler, and you can drop a bomb on them.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:04 pm

Sevvania wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:Its weird that the Fallout world got so fucked, they Had Cold Fusion,and they somehow had programmable matter. They should of reached for god hood instead they turned into hot ash

I imagine the vending machines were prohibitively expensive pre-war, which is why you never see them outside of the monument to extravagance that is the Sierra Madre. But regardless, there's always going to be someone out there who has something you need, or keeps eating your sandwiches out of the mini fridge at work, or is literally Hitler, and you can drop a bomb on them.


But still, the energy crisis was going away, and they could've solved the food riots, and now, they can Bring the NCR back into the 21st century Which is really fucking cool, NCR With MBT's, Hologram soldiers and the ability to te...
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Postby Prusslandia » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:05 pm

Sevvania wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:Its weird that the Fallout world got so fucked, they Had Cold Fusion,and they somehow had programmable matter. They should of reached for god hood instead they turned into hot ash

I imagine the vending machines were prohibitively expensive pre-war, which is why you never see them outside of the monument to extravagance that is the Sierra Madre. But regardless, there's always going to be someone out there who has something you need, or keeps eating your sandwiches out of the mini fridge at work, or is literally Hitler, and you can drop a bomb on them.

Why wouldn't you be able to simply produce a vending machine via a vending machine?
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:06 pm

Prusslandia wrote:
Sevvania wrote:I imagine the vending machines were prohibitively expensive pre-war, which is why you never see them outside of the monument to extravagance that is the Sierra Madre. But regardless, there's always going to be someone out there who has something you need, or keeps eating your sandwiches out of the mini fridge at work, or is literally Hitler, and you can drop a bomb on them.

Why wouldn't you be able to simply produce a vending machine via a vending machine?


Other than possible size restrictions i dont see why you couldn't you just need a lot of i'm guessing very dense matter and some kind of radioactive core (Unless i read the chibs description wrong)
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Postby Gloriana Americana » Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:58 am

Prusslandia wrote:
Sevvania wrote:I imagine the vending machines were prohibitively expensive pre-war, which is why you never see them outside of the monument to extravagance that is the Sierra Madre. But regardless, there's always going to be someone out there who has something you need, or keeps eating your sandwiches out of the mini fridge at work, or is literally Hitler, and you can drop a bomb on them.

Why wouldn't you be able to simply produce a vending machine via a vending machine?


No, you take apart the vending machine to reverse engineer it into a vending factory that makes vending machines.

Duh.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:53 am

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Is it normal for Deacon to just not say anything to you in the post game? I beat the game as the Minuteman without doing any Railroad Quests and he says nothing when you talk to him.

Well in that case it's probably normal and he's just packing more sodium chloride than an Ontario salt mine.

But don't the other companions say something when you try to talk to them? Like at all?

Deacon just is completely silent. Not even a "I don't want to speak with you" line. That's weird considering that Desdemona is willing to buy you a beer in Diamond City.

What's his thought process "I'm disgusted by how you blew up the Institute and fulfilled the life long goal of the Railroad while sparing as many non combatants and synths that wanted to leave as you could via sounding the alarm. I'm not even going to respond at all when you talk to me."?
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I've replayed fallout new vegas like easily 5 or 6 times, but I've never bought the DLCs. Is the game worth replaying if I get them all now? Its been a few years since my last replay.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:54 am

The Grene Knyght wrote:I've replayed fallout new vegas like easily 5 or 6 times, but I've never bought the DLCs. Is the game worth replaying if I get them all now? Its been a few years since my last replay.


It's always worth replaying.
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Postby Gloriana Americana » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:57 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Grene Knyght wrote:I've replayed fallout new vegas like easily 5 or 6 times, but I've never bought the DLCs. Is the game worth replaying if I get them all now? Its been a few years since my last replay.


It's always worth replaying.


New Vegas could be officially outlawed and it would still be worth replaying.
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Postby The Grene Knyght » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:02 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Grene Knyght wrote:I've replayed fallout new vegas like easily 5 or 6 times, but I've never bought the DLCs. Is the game worth replaying if I get them all now? Its been a few years since my last replay.


It's always worth replaying.

Gloriana Americana wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's always worth replaying.


New Vegas could be officially outlawed and it would still be worth replaying.
Are the DLCs worth buying?
Also, anyone know some good mods? I didn't play with mods before either...
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Postby Sevvania » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:54 am

The Grene Knyght wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's always worth replaying.

Gloriana Americana wrote:
New Vegas could be officially outlawed and it would still be worth replaying.
Are the DLCs worth buying?
Also, anyone know some good mods? I didn't play with mods before either...

I'd say the DLC was worth buying.

I didn't have many mods, but I would recommend Spice of Life - Variety Armor and Clothing for additional customization options, CAGE to Continue After Game's Ending, and some sort of player home mod to give you a base of operations. I use SRLP GoodSprings Player House, which provides a small metal quonset hut just down the road from Goodsprings. Courier's Cache is also kinda neat: it gives you the ability to craft a couple of new weapons and adds some new outfits that can be obtained over the course of a short, fully voice acted questline.
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And the unofficial patch and save cleaner, and some mod that removed physics from some stuff so it doesn't crash nearly as often
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Postby CITY18 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:23 am

The Grene Knyght wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's always worth replaying.

Gloriana Americana wrote:
New Vegas could be officially outlawed and it would still be worth replaying.
Are the DLCs worth buying?
Also, anyone know some good mods? I didn't play with mods before either...

The Jswayer mod is amazing.
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:17 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Grene Knyght wrote:I've replayed fallout new vegas like easily 5 or 6 times, but I've never bought the DLCs. Is the game worth replaying if I get them all now? Its been a few years since my last replay.


It's always worth replaying.

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Postby Gloriana Americana » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:18 am

Sovaal wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's always worth replaying.

Honest Hearts best dlc.


It would be, if it had more content.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:19 am

Sovaal wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's always worth replaying.

Honest Hearts best dlc.


Lonesome Road or bust.
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Postby Prusslandia » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:22 am

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Sovaal wrote:Honest Hearts best dlc.


It would be, if it had more content.

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It would be, if it had more content.

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The worst, because it's enemies are lame.
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:28 am

Gloriana Americana wrote:
Prusslandia wrote:*Mutters in Old World Blues*


The worst, because it's enemies are lame.


Na, Dead Money is the worst.
Hellenic Polytheist, Socialist

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