Metal Thread 3: Subjectivity isn't Metal

[Galborea]

I think Mechanix is a stupid, boring song. The Four Horseman has more dynamics and memorability as well as better lyrics. I'll go out and say that on Mechanix the lyrics are probably some of Mustaine's worst, and that includes his conspiracy ranting. I'd expect that level of innuendo from a fucking middle school kid.

you act like the four horsemen's lyrics are ground breaking. Please, anyone who plays DnD or reads the bible could write them. It has no energy. Mechanix is fast paced sucker punching revenge.

You're kind of stretching out what I said, which was simply that The Four Horsemen has BETTER lyrics. Not ground-breaking. BETTER. Than Mechanix. That's all. And I find that said other song has little substance. Energy is more than just playing fast. Ahem Slayer.

[New Rob Halfordia]

you act like the four horsemen's lyrics are ground breaking. Please, anyone who plays DnD or reads the bible could write them. It has no energy. Mechanix is fast paced sucker punching revenge.

You're kind of stretching out what I said, which was simply that The Four Horsemen has BETTER lyrics. Not ground-breaking. BETTER. Than Mechanix. That's all. And I find that said other song has little substance. Energy is more than just playing fast. Ahem Slayer.

I think Mechanix is just a better executed song. The musicianship of Dave Squared and the Jazz Squad is simply superior to three angsty teenagers and Cliff Burton.

[Impaled Nazarene]

You're kind of stretching out what I said, which was simply that The Four Horsemen has BETTER lyrics. Not ground-breaking. BETTER. Than Mechanix. That's all. And I find that said other song has little substance. Energy is more than just playing fast. Ahem Slayer.

I think Mechanix is just a better executed song. The musicianship of Dave Squared and the Jazz Squad is simply superior to three angsty teenagers and Cliff Burton.

The production and bass work was better too. It took them 3 songs into the second album to figure out how to use cliff.

Energy is more than just playing fast. Ahem Slayer.

It's the enthusiasm with mechanix. It has more meaning to Dave Squared (keeping this btw) than the four horsemen does to metallica. It captures the hardcore influences and spirit with the big "FUCK YEAH!" at the end. It's the pissed off drug fueled anger that gives the song its strength as opposed to boozing the tempo down. In an ideal world the majority of metallica's songs sound like Fight Fire

[The Lendol Archipelago]

Blessed Are The Dead is a better song about the four horsemen.

[Kolmya]

Blessed Are The Dead is a better song about the four horsemen.

Right now I'm listening to the album Blessed Are The Sick. Really good.

[Drown]

Kolmya did you ever get around to listening to Crowbar?

[Kolmya]

Kolmya did you ever get around to listening to Crowbar?

Ah, no. I'll listen to them in a minute.

[Kolmya]

Kolmya did you ever get around to listening to Crowbar?

I like this song.

[Impaled Nazarene]

I got bored and started analyzing Scream Bloody Gore

Infernal Death: Death metal
Zombie Ritual: Death metal
Denial of Life: I can't decide. The intro is a bit grindy
Sacrificial: Death, some doom elements
Mutilation: Death metal
Regurgitated Guts: Thrash but a bit on the slow side
Baptized in Blood: Death metal, intro funny enough is Death/Doom
Torn to Pieces: Thrash metal
Evil Dead: Could go either way. Death with a shit ton of speed imo
Scream Bloody Gore: Death Metal
Beyond the Unholy Grave: Sex metal Death metal
Land of No Return: Death Metal

assume the secondary sound is thrash

[Kolmya]

I got bored and started analyzing Scream Bloody Gore

Infernal Death: Death metal
Zombie Ritual: Death metal
Denial of Life: I can't decide. The intro is a bit grindy
Sacrificial: Death, some doom elements
Mutilation: Death metal
Regurgitated Guts: Thrash but a bit on the slow side
Baptized in Blood: Death metal, intro funny enough is Death/Doom
Torn to Pieces: Thrash metal
Evil Dead: Could go either way. Death with a shit ton of speed imo
Scream Bloody Gore: Death Metal
Beyond the Unholy Grave: Sex metal Death metal
Land of No Return: Death Metal

assume the secondary sound is thrash

My favorite songs are the title track, Sacrificial, Baptized in Blood, and Evil Dead.

[Impaled Nazarene]

I got bored and started analyzing Scream Bloody Gore

Infernal Death: Death metal
Zombie Ritual: Death metal
Denial of Life: I can't decide. The intro is a bit grindy
Sacrificial: Death, some doom elements
Mutilation: Death metal
Regurgitated Guts: Thrash but a bit on the slow side
Baptized in Blood: Death metal, intro funny enough is Death/Doom
Torn to Pieces: Thrash metal
Evil Dead: Could go either way. Death with a shit ton of speed imo
Scream Bloody Gore: Death Metal
Beyond the Unholy Grave: Sex metal Death metal
Land of No Return: Death Metal

assume the secondary sound is thrash

My favorite songs are the title track, Sacrificial, Baptized in Blood, and Evil Dead.

Mine is obvious

[Vashty]

My favorite songs are the title track, Sacrificial, Baptized in Blood, and Evil Dead.

Mine is obvious

I think Spiritual Healing's a better album.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Mine is obvious

I think Spiritual Healing's a better album.

[Cadonica]

I got bored and started analyzing Scream Bloody Gore

Infernal Death: Death metal
Zombie Ritual: Death metal
Denial of Life: I can't decide. The intro is a bit grindy
Sacrificial: Death, some doom elements
Mutilation: Death metal
Regurgitated Guts: Thrash but a bit on the slow side
Baptized in Blood: Death metal, intro funny enough is Death/Doom
Torn to Pieces: Thrash metal
Evil Dead: Could go either way. Death with a shit ton of speed imo
Scream Bloody Gore: Death Metal
Beyond the Unholy Grave: Sex metal Death metal
Land of No Return: Death Metal

assume the secondary sound is thrash

My favorite songs are the title track, Sacrificial, Baptized in Blood, and Evil Dead.

Title track is my favorite too. Can't really namedrop other favorites since I don't listen to Death all that much.

[Galborea]

It's the enthusiasm with mechanix. It has more meaning to Dave Squared (keeping this btw) than the four horsemen does to metallica. It captures the hardcore influences and spirit with the big "FUCK YEAH!" at the end. It's the pissed off drug fueled anger that gives the song its strength as opposed to boozing the tempo down. In an ideal world the majority of metallica's songs sound like Fight Fire

So a song about banging at a gas station has more meaning to Dave...alright. Anyway the "hardcore influences" are another reason I don't care too much for the song. Out of all the "core" subgenres hardcore is my least favorite. And yes, that means deathcore is my favorite. Enough of this. Moving on.

I think Spiritual Healing's a better album.

Do you even Symbolic?

[The New Sea Territory]

Out of all the "core" subgenres hardcore is my least favorite. And yes, that means deathcore is my favorite. Enough of this. Moving on.

Hardcore isn't a "core" subgenre, it is THE "core" subgenre. The original, from which all others developed. Even non-"core" subgenres originated from hardcore or were directly influenced by it; all extreme metal subgenres except doom metal are directly influenced by hardcore. ...so hardcore influences are unavoidable if you listen to metal long enough.

I'm not going to make the elitist "deathcore isn't metal" argument, but I've really stopped listening to deathcore bands altogether. Everything notable about deathcore can be done better by metalcore (breakdowns; see: Earth Crisis and other NYHC), death metal (br00tal sound) or grindcore (unintelligible vocals) bands.

[Bodobol]

It's the enthusiasm with mechanix. It has more meaning to Dave Squared (keeping this btw) than the four horsemen does to metallica. It captures the hardcore influences and spirit with the big "FUCK YEAH!" at the end. It's the pissed off drug fueled anger that gives the song its strength as opposed to boozing the tempo down. In an ideal world the majority of metallica's songs sound like Fight Fire

So a song about banging at a gas station has more meaning to Dave...alright. Anyway the "hardcore influences" are another reason I don't care too much for the song. Out of all the "core" subgenres hardcore is my least favorite. And yes, that means deathcore is my favorite. Enough of this. Moving on.

The actual lyrics aren't where the meaning of the song lies, the meaning is in the underlying aggression that captures the bitterness between Dave and Metallica at the time. That being said, I 100% prefer The Four Horsemen to Mechanix.

[Galborea]

Out of all the "core" subgenres hardcore is my least favorite. And yes, that means deathcore is my favorite. Enough of this. Moving on.

Hardcore isn't a "core" subgenre, it is THE "core" subgenre. The original, from which all others developed. Even non-"core" subgenres originated from hardcore or were directly influenced by it; all extreme metal subgenres except doom metal are directly influenced by hardcore. ...so hardcore influences are unavoidable if you listen to metal long enough.

I'm not going to make the elitist "deathcore isn't metal" argument, but I've really stopped listening to deathcore bands altogether. Everything notable about deathcore can be done better by metalcore (breakdowns; see: Earth Crisis and other NYHC), death metal (br00tal sound) or grindcore (unintelligible vocals) bands.

In my defense original doesn't always mean better. I'm not a big fan of "classic" heavy metal with the exceptions of Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden. I'm not a big fan of "old school" death metal. I like bands that are INFLUENCED by these styles though. Same goes for metalcore and deathcore (though I would argue that the breakdowns in the latter are the only "core" element, the rest is influenced by various forms of death metal). I ain't denying the significance of hardcore to metal, that can't be denied no matter what.

So a song about banging at a gas station has more meaning to Dave...alright. Anyway the "hardcore influences" are another reason I don't care too much for the song. Out of all the "core" subgenres hardcore is my least favorite. And yes, that means deathcore is my favorite. Enough of this. Moving on.

The actual lyrics aren't where the meaning of the song lies, the meaning is in the underlying aggression that captures the bitterness between Dave and Metallica at the time. That being said, I 100% prefer The Four Horsemen to Mechanix.

The "underlying aggression" could be found in almost every song on KIMB...ABIG.

[Galborea]

On a side note the new Epica album is coming out on October 1. Fucking hyped already. It's going to be called "The Holographic Principle".

[Cosumar]

Blessed Are The Dead is a better song about the four horsemen.

Right now I'm listening to the album Blessed Are The Sick. Really good.

FALL! FROM! GRACE!

Do you even Symbolic?

Are you even Human?

(In all seriousness, every Death album is fantastic, so I have no problems with anyone's preferences)

[Galborea]

Right now I'm listening to the album Blessed Are The Sick. Really good.

FALL! FROM! GRACE!

Do you even Symbolic?

Are you even Human?

(In all seriousness, every Death album is fantastic, so I have no problems with anyone's preferences)

I think we did our Death album ordering already.
I fucking love Human too.

[Impaled Nazarene]

SCREAMBLOODYGORESCREAMBLOODYGORESCREAMBLOODYGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE

[Galborea]

SCREAMBLOODYGORESCREAMBLOODYGORESCREAMBLOODYGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE

Is that the only Death album worth listening for you?

[Impaled Nazarene]

SCREAMBLOODYGORESCREAMBLOODYGORESCREAMBLOODYGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE

Is that the only Death album worth listening for you?

Galborea: Human at sight, monster at heart

[Galborea]

Is that the only Death album worth listening for you?

Galborea: Human at sight, monster at heart

TSOP: That one album that Death fans either love or hate. I think it's only a touch under Symbolic.