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Mechanix or The Four Horsemen?

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Postby Cosumar » Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:53 pm

Corrian wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Holy shit this new Suicidal Tendencies song is fucking kickass!

CLAP LIKE OZZY!!! CLAP LIKE OZZY!!! CLAP LIKE OZZY!!!

Isn't that punk?

I haven't heard that particular song yet, but Suicidal Tendencies are known for a punky style of thrash metal called Crossover Thrash. Their early work was closer to straight-up hardcore punk.

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Kolmya wrote:You know what I think is funny? Of the three people I've met in real life that like metal, two of them were half into metalcore and stuff, and half into classic metal and rock.

I'm going to get hate for saying this but in much of the 2000s, metalcore (or at least the super popular branch i.e. Bring Me The Horizon and Bullet For My Valentine) was the classic rock of that decade.

For me it was the "alternative metal" (AKA angsty but catchy heavy rock) bands like Breaking Benjamin, Three Days Grace, and Seether. Though I can see metalcore bands like All That Remains and Killswitch Engage eventually coming to be seen in that light too.
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Postby Corrian » Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:55 pm

Pain, without love. Pain, can't get enough. I'd rather feel pain than nothing at all!
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Postby Cosumar » Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:29 pm

Corrian wrote:Pain, without love. Pain, can't get enough. I'd rather feel pain than nothing at all!

Still really enjoy that album tbh
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Postby Corrian » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:20 am

Cosumar wrote:
Corrian wrote:Pain, without love. Pain, can't get enough. I'd rather feel pain than nothing at all!

Still really enjoy that album tbh

I don't really dislike it (maybe because I heard it so much from my mom and sister), was just posting some of the angsty, edgy lyrics :P
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Postby Galborea » Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:40 am

Cosumar wrote:
Corrian wrote:Isn't that punk?

I haven't heard that particular song yet, but Suicidal Tendencies are known for a punky style of thrash metal called Crossover Thrash. Their early work was closer to straight-up hardcore punk.

Galborea wrote:I'm going to get hate for saying this but in much of the 2000s, metalcore (or at least the super popular branch i.e. Bring Me The Horizon and Bullet For My Valentine) was the classic rock of that decade.

For me it was the "alternative metal" (AKA angsty but catchy heavy rock) bands like Breaking Benjamin, Three Days Grace, and Seether. Though I can see metalcore bands like All That Remains and Killswitch Engage eventually coming to be seen in that light too.

I see your point but the heavier metalcore bands like All That Remains, As I Lay Dying, and Killswitch Engage weren't nearly as popular as either the radio alt metal bands you mentioned or the "poppier" metalcore that I mentioned previously.

By the way on Spotify there's ANOTHER In Flames song which, despite having some heavier riffs hidden, is even worse than The End and EVEN MORE KIDDIE BACKING. No screams to be heard at all, and even though IF has been able to do all-singing songs well before (Come Clarity title track for instance), this is just...NO.
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Postby Jolthig » Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:16 am

Corrian wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Holy shit this new Suicidal Tendencies song is fucking kickass!

CLAP LIKE OZZY!!! CLAP LIKE OZZY!!! CLAP LIKE OZZY!!!

Isn't that punk?

Crossover thrash.
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Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:49 am

Jolthig wrote:
Corrian wrote:Isn't that punk?

Crossover thrash.

Or thrashcore. Since the thrash sound was pioneered by heavier punk bands such as Discharge, Amebix and Axegrinder, it's pretty much a moot point.

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Postby Jolthig » Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:51 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Crossover thrash.

Or thrashcore. Since the thrash sound was pioneered by heavier punk bands such as Discharge, Amebix and Axegrinder, it's pretty much a moot point.

I don't think it contains excessive use of solos like Clap Like Ozzy did. Plus, thrashcore isn't associated with thrash metal at all despite the similar name and thrash being influenced by hardcore itself.
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Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:15 am

Jolthig wrote:Holy shit this new Suicidal Tendencies song is fucking kickass!

CLAP LIKE OZZY!!! CLAP LIKE OZZY!!! CLAP LIKE OZZY!!!

A half assed dave Lombardo performance...WAIT. Rob used to play bass for ST then he joined Metallica. Dave Lombardo is now playing for ST. THAT MEANS LARS IS GETTING FIRED IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND DAVE LOMBARDO IS JOINING METALLICA
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Postby Jolthig » Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:16 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Holy shit this new Suicidal Tendencies song is fucking kickass!

CLAP LIKE OZZY!!! CLAP LIKE OZZY!!! CLAP LIKE OZZY!!!

A half assed dave Lombardo performance...WAIT. Rob used to play bass for ST then he joined Metallica. Dave Lombardo is now playing for ST. THAT MEANS LARS IS GETTING FIRED IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND DAVE LOMBARDO IS JOINING METALLICA

Yeah, I didn't even realize it was Lombardo. I always notice his drumming, but yet, not this song.

And also... :rofl:
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Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

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Postby Corrian » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:49 am

Holy shit, that In Flames song is worse. What the fuck?

This is awful. And I didn't remotely like the first one.
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Postby Galborea » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:17 am

Corrian wrote:Holy shit, that In Flames song is worse. What the fuck?

This is awful. And I didn't remotely like the first one.

I've given these choruses a new name: Kidz Bop-core.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:38 am

Galborea wrote:
Corrian wrote:Holy shit, that In Flames song is worse. What the fuck?

This is awful. And I didn't remotely like the first one.

I've given these choruses a new name: Kidz Bop-core.

This fresh and exciting new sound makes you want to jump da fuck up.

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Postby Galborea » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:47 am

I'm just going to assume every member of In Flames decided to give their kids the same birthday present: Appearing on the new album, even if they didn't want to.
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Postby Kolmya » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:35 pm

Asphyx is great.
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Postby Galborea » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:35 pm

Kolmya wrote:Asphyx is great.

They have a new album coming.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:58 pm

Cosumar wrote:*puts Subterranean back on*

The only In Flames release i liked.
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Postby Kolmya » Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:07 pm

Galborea wrote:
Kolmya wrote:Asphyx is great.

They have a new album coming.

Cool.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:16 pm

New Sodom album is out. Thus far it kicks ass. This is going to sound silly but some of the production and a touch of the riffs remind me of a thrashy melechesh. Alright i am very confused I'M HEARING MELECHESH IN A SODOM ALBUM.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:30 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:New Sodom album is out. Thus far it kicks ass. This is going to sound silly but some of the production and a touch of the riffs remind me of a thrashy melechesh. Alright i am very confused I'M HEARING MELECHESH IN A SODOM ALBUM.

NEW SODOM IS FUCKING AWESOME!
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Postby Galborea » Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:33 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Cosumar wrote:*puts Subterranean back on*

The only In Flames release i liked.

And why is that?

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:New Sodom album is out. Thus far it kicks ass. This is going to sound silly but some of the production and a touch of the riffs remind me of a thrashy melechesh. Alright i am very confused I'M HEARING MELECHESH IN A SODOM ALBUM.

NEW SODOM IS FUCKING AWESOME!

Angelripper seems to have a Kerry King mentality of "change is bad, do exactly the same thing or you're a sellout" not to mention a complete disregard for any bands that are newer than his. However if this is what his new album sounds like it interests me a fair bit.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:36 pm

Galborea wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:The only In Flames release i liked.

And why is that?

Because in my opinion In Flames is overrated. I only gave The Jester Race a 4/5 because objectively anything lower is wrong and i didn't enjoy it so it can't be higher.
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Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."

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Postby Galborea » Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:37 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Galborea wrote:And why is that?

Because in my opinion In Flames is overrated. I only gave The Jester Race a 4/5 because objectively anything lower is wrong and i didn't enjoy it so it can't be higher.

If you didn't enjoy it then why did you rate it that high? Your statements confuse me.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:42 pm

Galborea wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Because in my opinion In Flames is overrated. I only gave The Jester Race a 4/5 because objectively anything lower is wrong and i didn't enjoy it so it can't be higher.

If you didn't enjoy it then why did you rate it that high? Your statements confuse me.

I may hate melodeath but objectively The Jester Race is a good album 4/5 material. For example Hell Awaits is the most boring classic Slayer album and I almost slept through it but it was still good.
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Many democracies are oligarchies.
Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."

-said no one ever. I made these words up.
Genivaria wrote:"WHY!? Why do this!? Thousands of planets and trillions of innocent lives gone! For what!?"
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Postby Galborea » Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:44 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Galborea wrote:If you didn't enjoy it then why did you rate it that high? Your statements confuse me.

I may hate melodeath but objectively The Jester Race is a good album 4/5 material. For example Hell Awaits is the most boring classic Slayer album and I almost slept through it but it was still good.

That makes no fucking sense! If you almost slept through an album, how can it possibly be that good? In my book that just screams "BAD MUSIC". Or do you rate music for acceptance?
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