Metal Thread 3: Subjectivity isn't Metal

[Impaled Nazarene]

I may hate melodeath but objectively The Jester Race is a good album 4/5 material. For example Hell Awaits is the most boring classic Slayer album and I almost slept through it but it was still good.

That makes no fucking sense! If you almost slept through an album, how can it possibly be that good? In my book that just screams "BAD MUSIC". Or do you rate music for acceptance?

I have a sixth sense that occasionally gives a divine vision on objectively rating music. aka I have no idea

[Galborea]

That makes no fucking sense! If you almost slept through an album, how can it possibly be that good? In my book that just screams "BAD MUSIC". Or do you rate music for acceptance?

I have a sixth sense that occasionally gives a divine vision on objectively rating music. aka I have no idea

I highly recommend you rethink your own perception of what is good music.

On a side note Rolling Thunder is such a good song.

[Impaled Nazarene]

I have a sixth sense that occasionally gives a divine vision on objectively rating music. aka I have no idea

I highly recommend you rethink your own perception of what is good music.

No.

[Cosumar]

*puts Subterranean back on*

The only In Flames release i liked.

Good on you. It might just be their best. "Stand Ablaze" is pure sonic power.

If you didn't enjoy it then why did you rate it that high? Your statements confuse me.

I may hate melodeath but objectively The Jester Race is a good album 4/5 material. For example Hell Awaits is the most boring classic Slayer album and I almost slept through it but it was still good.

You don't have to give an album a decent rating just because it's considered a classic. Let the rating reflect your true listening experience. Though I would hate to see Jester Race rated anything lower than 3.5...

[Impaled Nazarene]

The only In Flames release i liked.

Good on you. It might just be their best. "Stand Ablaze" is pure sonic power.

I may hate melodeath but objectively The Jester Race is a good album 4/5 material. For example Hell Awaits is the most boring classic Slayer album and I almost slept through it but it was still good.

You don't have to give an album a decent rating just because it's considered a classic. Let the rating reflect your true listening experience. Though I would hate to see Jester Race rated anything lower than 3.5...

What are you talking about? That's not how I did it. It was more like "I don't care for this at all but it is obviously very good. So a 4/5 is what it shall get." If i did that with classics because classics I'd have put Agent Orange higher than a 3.5 which because I think it is a very overrated album is rated so low to begin with.

[Cosumar]

I'm not always in the right mood for it, but man, Tales From The Thousand Lakes really hits the spot on days like today. Can't. Stop. Listening. The melodies on this album are richer than caramel.

[Galborea]

I'm not always in the right mood for it, but man, Tales From The Thousand Lakes really hits the spot on days like today. Can't. Stop. Listening. The melodies on this album are richer than caramel.

An all time favorite for me.

[Hurdergaryp]

I'm not always in the right mood for it, but man, Tales From The Thousand Lakes really hits the spot on days like today. Can't. Stop. Listening. The melodies on this album are richer than caramel.

An all time favorite for me.

It's a good album, but I'm more partial to The Karelian Isthmus myself.

[Cosumar]

The first three Amorphis albums are all near-perfect. But Tales is probably my favorite because it's a great middle ground in their evolution from death to prog/folk. Everything just comes together. Best of both worlds, if you will.


In other news, I just listened to "The Truth". Yes it's significantly worse than "The End". All hope for the new In Flames is gone out the window now.

[Galborea]

An all time favorite for me.

It's a good album, but I'm more partial to The Karelian Isthmus myself.

That one's good but probably their least original. Elegy is fucking awesome too but I prefer the Joutsen era the most (with the exception of Tales, nothing beats that baby).

The first three Amorphis albums are all near-perfect. But Tales is probably my favorite because it's a great middle ground in their evolution from death to prog/folk. Everything just comes together. Best of both worlds, if you will.


In other news, I just listened to "The Truth". Yes it's significantly worse than "The End". All hope for the new In Flames is gone out the window now.

The worst In Flames song period in my opinion. I would have been happy with a decent melodic metalcore album from them but this is just sad.

[Cosumar]

It's a good album, but I'm more partial to The Karelian Isthmus myself.

That one's good but probably their least original. Elegy is fucking awesome too but I prefer the Joutsen era the most (with the exception of Tales, nothing beats that baby).

The first three Amorphis albums are all near-perfect. But Tales is probably my favorite because it's a great middle ground in their evolution from death to prog/folk. Everything just comes together. Best of both worlds, if you will.


In other news, I just listened to "The Truth". Yes it's significantly worse than "The End". All hope for the new In Flames is gone out the window now.

The worst In Flames song period in my opinion. I would have been happy with a decent melodic metalcore album from them but this is just sad.

Same. I even liked Siren Charms a fair bit, but this... this is just completely dull. Borderline cringey in a few spots when you consider this was once a band that pioneered an entire genre and inspired millions with their songwriting chops. Hints of their old magic have been evident to varying degrees in all of their recent albums. A golden melody evoking TJR here, an infectious refrain echoing Clayman there. So I believe they still have potential to make wonderful music...if they cared about that anymore. Or maybe those were just traces of Jesper's influence that are now finally gone.

[Hurdergaryp]

In Flames is not as relevant as At The Gates and Dissection, if you ask me.

[Galborea]

That one's good but probably their least original. Elegy is fucking awesome too but I prefer the Joutsen era the most (with the exception of Tales, nothing beats that baby).


The worst In Flames song period in my opinion. I would have been happy with a decent melodic metalcore album from them but this is just sad.

Same. I even liked Siren Charms a fair bit, but this... this is just completely dull. Borderline cringey in a few spots when you consider this was once a band that pioneered an entire genre and inspired millions with their songwriting chops. Hints of their old magic have been evident to varying degrees in all of their recent albums. A golden melody evoking TJR here, an infectious refrain echoing Clayman there. So I believe they still have potential to make wonderful music...if they cared about that anymore. Or maybe those were just traces of Jesper's influence that are now finally gone.

I said this in my review: In Flames' problem nowadays is that their newer material always has traces of what made them special but it always gets ruined by something else. The first minute of The End is a perfect example. That sounded like something off R2R or even Clayman, all the way down to the vocals. But then it pretty much took a big dump over that legacy. Meanwhile Soilwork is doing what In Flames SHOULD have been doing all this time.

[Galborea]

In Flames is not as relevant as At The Gates and Dissection, if you ask me.

Fair enough, both bands were very influential to both melodeath and "core". I believe Scott Lewis of Carnifex is a big fan of Dissection. But when it comes to the "happy" sounding twin melodies...nobody does that better than Lunar to R2R era In Flames.

[Cosumar]

In Flames is not as relevant as At The Gates and Dissection, if you ask me.

All three are amongst my favoritest of favorite bands. Just very different discographies. In Flames have more total volume of great music, but two of Dissection's three albums are divine masterpieces that exceed any of In Flames' individual albums. At The Gates are in the middle.

Not sure what you mean by "relevant" considering Dissection hasn't even existed in like a decade. At The Gates, however, is certainly more relevant in the metal scene right now than In Flames considering they still make, you know, quality metal. I'm looking forward to a follow-up to At War With Reality.

[New Naephak]

In Flames is not as relevant as At The Gates and Dissection, if you ask me.

All three are amongst my favoritest of favorite bands. Just very different discographies. In Flames have more total volume of great music, but two of Dissection's three albums are divine masterpieces that exceed any of In Flames' individual albums.

What's the odd album out?

[Hurdergaryp]

In Flames is not as relevant as At The Gates and Dissection, if you ask me.

Fair enough, both bands were very influential to both melodeath and "core". I believe Scott Lewis of Carnifex is a big fan of Dissection. But when it comes to the "happy" sounding twin melodies...nobody does that better than Lunar to R2R era In Flames.

That is what happens when you pick up enough pointers from Iron Maiden.

[Cosumar]

All three are amongst my favoritest of favorite bands. Just very different discographies. In Flames have more total volume of great music, but two of Dissection's three albums are divine masterpieces that exceed any of In Flames' individual albums.

What's the odd album out?

Take a wild guess.

[Galborea]

Fair enough, both bands were very influential to both melodeath and "core". I believe Scott Lewis of Carnifex is a big fan of Dissection. But when it comes to the "happy" sounding twin melodies...nobody does that better than Lunar to R2R era In Flames.

That is what happens when you pick up enough pointers from Iron Maiden.

They do it better if you ask me. The Jester Race alone has better melodies than the entire Iron Maiden discography and that's saying something considering the latter are my second favorite band, though that's primarily for nostalgia purposes. I still consider almost all their albums to be gold (excl. No Prayer, Fear, Blaze albums, and Dance of Death) but haven't really listened to much recently.

What's the odd album out?

Take a wild guess.

I like Reinkaos but it's nowhere near the first two.

[Corrian]

I'm listening to that In Flames song repeatedly (Yes, I'm torturing myself), trying to figure out what it reminds me of. It just reminds me of so much shitty metal I've heard. Like cringy modern metal band you might hear on the radio. It also reminds me of something in parts. And just god, it's bad. Not really knowing the band, it's hard imagining how this was ever a band that was supposed to be good. It sounds like a new modern, shitty metal band that belong's on some, as I said before, like shitty motocross game soundtrack. And trust me, I've played enough of those to know how bad the soundtracks are.

In other news, I just listened to "The Truth". Yes it's significantly worse than "The End". All hope for the new In Flames is gone out the window now.

And that's saying something since The End is pretty bad, or at least very bland. The Truth is just...ugh.

[Galborea]

I'm listening to that In Flames song repeatedly (Yes, I'm torturing myself), trying to figure out what it reminds me of. It just reminds me of so much shitty metal I've heard. Like cringy modern metal band you might hear on the radio. It also reminds me of something in parts. And just god, it's bad. Not really knowing the band, it's hard imagining how this was ever a band that was supposed to be good. It sounds like a new modern, shitty metal band that belong's on some, as I said before, like shitty motocross game soundtrack. And trust me, I've played enough of those to know how bad the soundtracks are.

In other news, I just listened to "The Truth". Yes it's significantly worse than "The End". All hope for the new In Flames is gone out the window now.

And that's saying something since The End is pretty bad, or at least very bland. The Truth is just...ugh.

I guess you can say this is The End of In Flames, and The Truth hurts.

[The New Sea Territory]

This is labeled Hardcore/Powerviolence, but sounds pretty metallic.

It's a pretty good 7" though.

[The New Sea Territory]

Wow. Great Black/Grind/Noise. Crazy stuff.

The other side of the split is cool, too. Blackened deathgrind.

[Galborea]

So you guys remember that friend of mine who said he thought Agalloch was the most generic band ever? I tried getting him into Alcest today since he's a big shoegaze fan. He said he could hear nothing but "typical Kirk Hammett riffs." I'm convinced he never learned any basic music theory at all.

[Corrian]

So you guys remember that friend of mine who said he thought Agalloch was the most generic band ever? I tried getting him into Alcest today since he's a big shoegaze fan. He said he could hear nothing but "typical Kirk Hammett riffs." I'm convinced he never learned any basic music theory at all.

Pretty sure I know more and I never learned music theory.