Metal Thread 3: Subjectivity isn't Metal

[The New Sea Territory]

I don't really like black metal. I don't know, it just doesn't do anything for me.

Black metal is so much more varied than other subgenres. I'm sure you could find a band that interests you.

[Isyrannaea]

I don't really like black metal. I don't know, it just doesn't do anything for me.

Black metal is so much more varied than other subgenres. I'm sure you could find a band that interests you.

[Isyrannaea]

also rip jon nodtveidt

[Edward Richtofen]

EMPEROR IS COMING BACK TO DO ANTHEMS IN FULL AT SOME FESTIVALS.

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[Cosumar]

Black metal is so much more varied than other subgenres. I'm sure you could find a band that interests you.

Sognametal FTW <3

[Galborea]

I don't really like black metal. I don't know, it just doesn't do anything for me.

Black metal is so much more varied than other subgenres. I'm sure you could find a band that interests you.

Well that's a little subjective. I will agree black metal is one of the more diverse subgenres but you can find niches everywhere.

Anyway, here's a list of the first black metal albums I ever heard (some might arguably not be but their connection to the genre is more than good enough):

Agalloch - The Mantle
Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales
Cradle of Filth - Dusk...and Her Embrace
Cradle of Filth - Nymphetamine
Dark Funeral - Angelus Exuro pro Eternus
Dimmu Borgir - Death Cult Armageddon
Immortal - All Shall Fall

Twilight of the Thunder God was my first full death metal album, too.

[The Lendol Archipelago]

The first three death metal albums that I listened to were Doomsday Machine, Rise of the Tyrant, War Eternal and Nightmares Made Flesh. Wasn't that muh of a fan of Arch Enemy, there's only a few songs of theirs that I like, but I was and still am very keen on Nightmares Made Flesh.

[Cadonica]

I've never listened to a full death metal album because death metal sucks and I've never listened to a full black metal album because I'm too kvlt for that kind of sellouts.

Jokes aside I don't really remember my first albums from those genres. First death metal album was probably Napalm Death's Time Waits for No Slave and the second one was probably Bolt Thrower's Mercenary. The latter is at least the first death metal album I bought.

The first black metal album was Impaled Nazarene's Absence of War Does Not Mean Peace and then Satanic Warmaster's Carelian Satanist Madness. At least the first ever bm songs were from CSM.

[Galborea]

My Carnifex review.

[Bodobol]

I don't really like black metal. I don't know, it just doesn't do anything for me.

Blakk Metall ist die greätest mvsikk genre ever und all vvho disagree shovld inkreas their edgineśś 666-fold. Hail ovr Lord Satan-Oðinn, Vnholÿ und Infernal Rvler ov Niflheim und die Hellish Arkane Realms

Panzerfaust is pretty weak,

Every song on there but one (i always forget until I skip it) is amazing. Hans Siste Vinter, Quintessence, Hordes of Nebulah....three of the best Darkthrone songs.

I always thought Panzerfaust was pretty mediocre too, tbh. I'll give it another listen sometime soon.

[Kynjold]

Black metal is so much more varied than other subgenres. I'm sure you could find a band that interests you.

Literally me.

[Galborea]

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Literally me.

To be fair they all have signature elements to their sounds but it IS splitting hairs. But you forgot Metal Noir (from Quebec), English Black Metal, Blackgaze, Black/Doom, and Blackened Deathcore. Blaze Birth Hall is pretty much just Ukrainian anyway.

Speaking of Hellenic black metal, some good melodic black/death from the Nineties.

[Corrian]

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Aka "A bunch of shitty sub genres that don't actually have a point to exist other than to be cool and pretend like metal from one country constitutes a genre of its own"

I swear metal over blows the sub genres worse than any other type of music, with a bunch of pointless filler "genres"

[Cosumar]

Literally me.

To be fair they all have signature elements to their sounds but it IS splitting hairs.

Speaking of Hellenic black metal, some good melodic black/death from the Nineties.

Fixed your link. Good stuff.

I've never listened to a full death metal album because death metal sucks and I've never listened to a full black metal album because I'm too kvlt for that kind of sellouts.

Jokes aside I don't really remember my first albums from those genres. First death metal album was probably Napalm Death's Time Waits for No Slave and the second one was probably Bolt Thrower's Mercenary. The latter is at least the first death metal album I bought.

The first black metal album was Impaled Nazarene's Absence of War Does Not Mean Peace and then Satanic Warmaster's Carelian Satanist Madness. At least the first ever bm songs were from CSM.

The first full death metal album I enjoyed was Colony by In Flames. The Sound of Perseverance came soon after. A couple Scar Symmetry and Amon Amarth songs ("Dreaming 24/7" and "The Pursuit of Vikings") were also influential in my conversion, as was deathier thrash metal like early Kreator. For black metal, Cradle of Filth ("Her Ghost In The Fog") and Dimmu Borgir's Abrahadabra were my gateways.

[Galborea]

To be fair they all have signature elements to their sounds but it IS splitting hairs.

Speaking of Hellenic black metal, some good melodic black/death from the Nineties.

Fixed your link. Good stuff.

I've never listened to a full death metal album because death metal sucks and I've never listened to a full black metal album because I'm too kvlt for that kind of sellouts.

Jokes aside I don't really remember my first albums from those genres. First death metal album was probably Napalm Death's Time Waits for No Slave and the second one was probably Bolt Thrower's Mercenary. The latter is at least the first death metal album I bought.

The first black metal album was Impaled Nazarene's Absence of War Does Not Mean Peace and then Satanic Warmaster's Carelian Satanist Madness. At least the first ever bm songs were from CSM.

The first full death metal album I enjoyed was Colony by In Flames. The Sound of Perseverance came soon after. A couple Scar Symmetry and Amon Amarth songs ("Dreaming 24/7" and "The Pursuit of Vikings") were also influential in my conversion, as was deathier thrash metal like early Kreator. For black metal, Cradle of Filth ("Her Ghost In The Fog") and Dimmu Borgir's Abrahadabra were my gateways.

I've got my whole list on RYM dedicated to those important albums.

On my channel I've been thinking of doing 3-band recommendations, typically stuff that's not as well known, every Monday. For those of you that watch my videos, does that sound cool?

[Corrian]

Hmm, can you send me your channel? I forgot to follow it.

Can't say how much I can keep up with watching it, as it is hard to keep up with everything, but still.

[Cadonica]

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Aka "A bunch of shitty sub genres that don't actually have a point to exist other than to be cool and pretend like metal from one country constitutes a genre of its own"

I swear metal over blows the sub genres worse than any other type of music, with a bunch of pointless filler "genres"

Ikr.

For black metal "raw, atmospheric, depressive" are enough. Pagan sometimes. NSBM and RABM etc are unnecessary and shitty monikers because basically the only difference are the lyrics, not the sound. Black/death, black/doom and black/thrash aren't black metal subgenres either because they are fusion genres. And that country division is bullshit as well, I'm sure none of the trve kvltists can tell the correct country if they are faced with a band they've never heard.

[Galborea]

Hmm, can you send me your channel? I forgot to follow it.

Can't say how much I can keep up with watching it, as it is hard to keep up with everything, but still.

Here. Just uploaded a video about my history with Nightwish.

[Corrian]

Ikr.

For black metal "raw, atmospheric, depressive" are enough. Pagan sometimes. NSBM and RABM etc are unnecessary and shitty monikers because basically the only difference are the lyrics, not the sound. Black/death, black/doom and black/thrash aren't black metal subgenres either because they are fusion genres. And that country division is bullshit as well, I'm sure none of the trve kvltists can tell the correct country if they are faced with a band they've never heard.

I don't even consider raw and depressive as specifically genres, but maybe they are.

Mostly I just categorize them in the "Black metal, symphonic metal, progressive metal, death metal, gothic metal, sludge metal, drone metal" ect type of category, and nothing else, but I consider there to be merit to stuff like "atmospheric black metal/sludge metal, symphonic black metal, melodic black metal, ect" types, just not "Depressive progressive thrashcore black metal"

(I kinda just meshed things together at the end there...)

But seriously, in the rock category, you got like, alternative rock, indie rock (Which is practically just alternative rock), symphonic rock, gothic rock, progressive rock, art rock, post-rock, ect, not any "depressive alternative rock" or some stupid extra shit thrown on.

Hmm, can you send me your channel? I forgot to follow it.

Can't say how much I can keep up with watching it, as it is hard to keep up with everything, but still.

Here. Just uploaded a video about my history with Nightwish.

Followed

[Cosumar]

Aka "A bunch of shitty sub genres that don't actually have a point to exist other than to be cool and pretend like metal from one country constitutes a genre of its own"

I swear metal over blows the sub genres worse than any other type of music, with a bunch of pointless filler "genres"

Ikr.

For black metal "raw, atmospheric, depressive" are enough. Pagan sometimes. NSBM and RABM etc are unnecessary and shitty monikers because basically the only difference are the lyrics, not the sound. Black/death, black/doom and black/thrash aren't black metal subgenres either because they are fusion genres. And that country division is bullshit as well, I'm sure none of the trve kvltists can tell the correct country if they are faced with a band they've never heard.

Melodic? Symphonic? Those are legit subgenres. Viking Metal and War Metal are also technically black metal subgenres, though I'm unsure how much of a unique genre War Metal is.

And actually, I think there are tangible stylistic differences in the regional scenes. They might not be very big or always accurate, but I think devoted black metal fans could probably make an educated guess where a random band came from. Or, at least in the early days that was the case. I guess it's similar to how one can tell the difference between old-school Swedish and Floridian death metal.

[Cadonica]

Ikr.

For black metal "raw, atmospheric, depressive" are enough. Pagan sometimes. NSBM and RABM etc are unnecessary and shitty monikers because basically the only difference are the lyrics, not the sound. Black/death, black/doom and black/thrash aren't black metal subgenres either because they are fusion genres. And that country division is bullshit as well, I'm sure none of the trve kvltists can tell the correct country if they are faced with a band they've never heard.

I don't even consider raw and depressive as specifically genres, but maybe they are.

Mostly I just categorize them in the "Black metal, symphonic metal, progressive metal, death metal, gothic metal, sludge metal, drone metal" ect type of category, and nothing else, but I consider there to be merit to stuff like "atmospheric black metal/sludge metal, symphonic black metal, melodic black metal, ect" types, just not "Depressive progressive thrashcore black metal"

(I kinda just meshed things together at the end there...)

But seriously, in the rock category, you got like, alternative rock, indie rock (Which is practically just alternative rock), symphonic rock, gothic rock, progressive rock, art rock, post-rock, ect, not any "depressive alternative rock" or some stupid extra shit thrown on.

Even though I have all black metal just as black metal I can see where people come with depressive and raw and atmospheric stuff. Though I admit that sometimes the difference between depressive and atmospheric is whether you sing about suicide or forests.

The best mashup genre is Vegetarian Progressive Grindcore

[Cosumar]

Though I admit that sometimes the difference between depressive and atmospheric is whether you sing about suicide or forests.

That is so true

The best mashup genre is Vegetarian Progressive Grindcore

Cattle Decap forever

[Galborea]

Ikr.

For black metal "raw, atmospheric, depressive" are enough. Pagan sometimes. NSBM and RABM etc are unnecessary and shitty monikers because basically the only difference are the lyrics, not the sound. Black/death, black/doom and black/thrash aren't black metal subgenres either because they are fusion genres. And that country division is bullshit as well, I'm sure none of the trve kvltists can tell the correct country if they are faced with a band they've never heard.

I don't even consider raw and depressive as specifically genres, but maybe they are.

Mostly I just categorize them in the "Black metal, symphonic metal, progressive metal, death metal, gothic metal, sludge metal, drone metal" ect type of category, and nothing else, but I consider there to be merit to stuff like "atmospheric black metal/sludge metal, symphonic black metal, melodic black metal, ect" types, just not "Depressive progressive thrashcore black metal"

(I kinda just meshed things together at the end there...)

But seriously, in the rock category, you got like, alternative rock, indie rock (Which is practically just alternative rock), symphonic rock, gothic rock, progressive rock, art rock, post-rock, ect, not any "depressive alternative rock" or some stupid extra shit thrown on.

Here. Just uploaded a video about my history with Nightwish.

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This is my take on subgenre classification. It's great to describe a band to someone, but it's stupid to argue about what specific niche said band is in. For example I can call The Elysian Fields a folky melodic black/death sound but for the purpose of simply categorization I'll just say they are black metal.

[Corrian]

It's still stupid to give them genres, if you ask me, regional or not.

This is me ignoring the fact east coast hip hop and west coast hip hop are actual genres.

Also, I know I joked about the "depressive alternative rock", and how that isn't a thing...but...it kind of is. And it's called "slowcore" or "Sadcore" I guess (At least the former is actually a real genre)

[Galborea]

It's still stupid to give them genres, if you ask me, regional or not.

This is me ignoring the fact east coast hip hop and west coast hip hop are actual genres.

Also, I know I joked about the "depressive alternative rock", and how that isn't a thing...but...it kind of is. And it's called "slowcore" or "Sadcore" I guess (At least the former is actually a real genre)

I was thinking Katatonia.