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Conscentia wrote:The awful one where the Daleks are shown to be incompetent cowards and then killed by deus ex machina, followed by the Doctor hallucinating Amy for no reason just to make sure his death was good a properly spoiled? That's the one makes you emotional?

Wow, you just have to criticize every single thing I say, don't you?

That is not true.

Charlia wrote:Yes. That's the one that makes me emotional. Because my brain is wired differently from yours. That's not an exaggeration, or a metaphor, it is a literal truth. My brain does not work in the same way yours does.

This is reality. Deal with it.

People's brains are different? Really? I did not know. Oh, then forgive me for ever voicing a contradictory opinion. If you can share your thoughts on it, then I can share my contradictory thoughts. A&F is part of a General Discussion. Generally in a discussion, when contradictory positions are voiced the two who voiced them defend theirs as to either change the other's mind or to improve the understanding of both of the other's position. Telling me that your brain is different, which I already knew, does not convince me nor does it help understand why you find it emotional. What exactly about it is emotional?
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Postby Charlia » Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:54 am

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Charlia wrote:Wow, you just have to criticize every single thing I say, don't you?

That is not true.

Charlia wrote:Yes. That's the one that makes me emotional. Because my brain is wired differently from yours. That's not an exaggeration, or a metaphor, it is a literal truth. My brain does not work in the same way yours does.

This is reality. Deal with it.

People's brains are different? Really? I did not know. Oh, then forgive me for ever voicing a contradictory opinion. If you can share your thoughts on it, then I can share my contradictory thoughts. A&F is part of a General Discussion. Generally in a discussion, when contradictory positions are voiced the two who voiced them defend theirs as to either change the other's mind or to improve the understanding of both of the other's position. Telling me that your brain is different, which I already knew, does not convince me nor does it help understand why you find it emotional. What exactly about it is emotional?

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What I mean is that... Okay. Let me put it this way. Most people's brains are wired a certain way. They all have their little individual differences, but mostly, they work the same.

Then there are the few like me who have brains that work entirely differently...


And while yes, it is a discussion, your comments are pretty much structured to belittle me because I don't share your opinion. I challenge you to find anything positive you have said to me. You'll probably find it quite difficult.

I'm not even going to bother with you anymore. I don't usually use the 'ignore' button but I'm going to now, because as of this moment I. Don't. Care.

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Postby Astrolinium » Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:13 pm

Alright, kiddies, let's play nice. We're all here to love the same campy 1960s sci-fi show, no need to get too heated.
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Postby Charlia » Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:18 pm

Astrolinium wrote:Alright, kiddies, let's play nice. We're all here to love the same campy 1960s sci-fi show, no need to get too heated.

...I don't know whether to say 'Yes, sir!' or get mock offended that you called it a 'campy 1960s sci-fi show'. Although really, that's what it is. XD

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Anywhere Else But Here wrote:OK, who voted for the Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe? No, Alexander Armstrong and Bill Bailey are not excuses.

There'll be no series 10 until someone owns up.

Didn't vote for it, but I do love that episode. Probably my third favourite Christmas special. Maybe fourth, I haven't decided where to place the most recent one yet.

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Speaking of River, new poll up.
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Postby Tokuopolis » Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:01 pm

Speaking of River, I'd like another secondary companion (The Dr Who counterpart to sixth rangers) from the future. My definition of a secondary companion is: a character who appears in about roughly half the episodes of the series (5/6 although River appeared in 4 episodes in series 5), travels in the TARDIS, and is often from the future or is the partner of an already major character (e.g.Mickey,Rory or River (in an unusual way)). It would be nice to have a futuristic companion for more of the series, like all the way through or even 8 episodes as opposed to 5 or 6. On the other hand, they'll have to pay the actor for more episodes, which will probably stretch the budget. If only dr who had more money.
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Postby Nation of Quebec » Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:52 pm

I wouldn't mind if River was the companion for season 10. Alex Kingston and Peter Capaldi had great chemistry and having someone older as the companion would be a refreshing change. Doubt it will happen though.

Tokuopolis wrote:Speaking of River, I'd like another secondary companion (The Dr Who counterpart to sixth rangers) from the future. My definition of a secondary companion is: a character who appears in about roughly half the episodes of the series (5/6 although River appeared in 4 episodes in series 5), travels in the TARDIS, and is often from the future or is the partner of an already major character (e.g.Mickey,Rory or River (in an unusual way)). It would be nice to have a futuristic companion for more of the series, like all the way through or even 8 episodes as opposed to 5 or 6. On the other hand, they'll have to pay the actor for more episodes, which will probably stretch the budget. If only dr who had more money.


I like that idea, but why not have a companion from the future as the main companion? The "20-something heterosexual female from present day UK" trope is getting tiresome at this point. I want to see someone completely different as the new companion.
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Postby Yaana Noore » Fri Jan 08, 2016 6:01 pm

Nation of Quebec wrote:I wouldn't mind if River was the companion for season 10. Alex Kingston and Peter Capaldi had great chemistry and having someone older as the companion would be a refreshing change. Doubt it will happen though.

I like that idea, but why not have a companion from the future as the main companion? The "20-something heterosexual female from present day UK" trope is getting tiresome at this point. I want to see someone completely different as the new companion.

I agree that they had great chemistry, however hope that the Husbands of River Song is her last episode. For me it felt like a good send-off for her, a reappearance would cheapen it. And the last time we thought someone had made their final appearance only to come back was awful.

Clara wasn't heterosexual, but the only part I see overused is the present day UK part. Past or future companion dearly wanted. If they do the past my money's on Victorian.

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Postby Nation of Quebec » Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:22 pm

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Nation of Quebec wrote:I wouldn't mind if River was the companion for season 10. Alex Kingston and Peter Capaldi had great chemistry and having someone older as the companion would be a refreshing change. Doubt it will happen though.

I like that idea, but why not have a companion from the future as the main companion? The "20-something heterosexual female from present day UK" trope is getting tiresome at this point. I want to see someone completely different as the new companion.

I agree that they had great chemistry, however hope that the Husbands of River Song is her last episode. For me it felt like a good send-off for her, a reappearance would cheapen it. And the last time we thought someone had made their final appearance only to come back was awful.

Clara wasn't heterosexual, but the only part I see overused is the present day UK part. Past or future companion dearly wanted. If they do the past my money's on Victorian.


That was a good ending and to me Husbands was the best River Song episode after Library and Forest. She probably won't be the companion, but I doubt it's the last we've seen of her. As long as Moffat gets an idea to bring her back and Alex Kingston wants to do it, we'll see her again.

Did they ever clarify that she was? Seems like wasted potential for some character development if that's the case. Victorian times would be interesting or they could go back even further. I think a companion from the far future would be fun. Outside of Captain Jack they really haven't explored that possibility.
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:44 pm

There were a couple of hints dropped that Clara is at least biromantic. First off is Clara's comment to her class that Jane Austen was a great kisser, then there's her speech to Rigsby about Jane, ending with "I love her. Take that how you like." I think Oswin also mentioned kissing a girl at one point.

So, it's not 100% confirmed, but I think there's enough evidence to suggest that Clara isn't entirely heteronormal.
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Aqizithiuda wrote:There were a couple of hints dropped that Clara is at least biromantic. First off is Clara's comment to her class that Jane Austen was a great kisser, then there's her speech to Rigsby about Jane, ending with "I love her. Take that how you like." I think Oswin also mentioned kissing a girl at one point.

So, it's not 100% confirmed, but I think there's enough evidence to suggest that Clara isn't entirely heteronormal.


Agreed. Though in a series where we have an openly lesbian lizard/human couple and Captain Jack "I'd fuck it if it is willing" Harkness, one wonders why they did it so subtly ;)
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Postby Kouralia » Sat Jan 09, 2016 2:04 am

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Aqizithiuda wrote:There were a couple of hints dropped that Clara is at least biromantic. First off is Clara's comment to her class that Jane Austen was a great kisser, then there's her speech to Rigsby about Jane, ending with "I love her. Take that how you like." I think Oswin also mentioned kissing a girl at one point.

So, it's not 100% confirmed, but I think there's enough evidence to suggest that Clara isn't entirely heteronormal.


Agreed. Though in a series where we have an openly lesbian lizard/human couple and Captain Jack "I'd fuck it if it is willing" Harkness, one wonders why they did it so subtly ;)

Because not everyone is like that? Like, now they've had main characters as so hilariously obviously non-straight that the WBC would probably throw their bibles at the screen in disgust, there's no need to have incredibly obviously bi-/homo-/other-sexual characters. Clara has hints of non-straightness: about as many hints as some characters have of straightness (well - more, since we arguably are shown both aspects of her sexuality, whereas many 'straight' characters in DW are only shown to be straight through engagement with one sex, not through rejection of the other). I guess they just didn't think they needed to make a demonstration of it anymore, and they could just have a non-straight main character without anyone really batting an eyelid.
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Postby Tokuopolis » Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:19 am

Nation of Quebec wrote:I wouldn't mind if River was the companion for season 10. Alex Kingston and Peter Capaldi had great chemistry and having someone older as the companion would be a refreshing change. Doubt it will happen though.

Tokuopolis wrote:Speaking of River, I'd like another secondary companion (The Dr Who counterpart to sixth rangers) from the future. My definition of a secondary companion is: a character who appears in about roughly half the episodes of the series (5/6 although River appeared in 4 episodes in series 5), travels in the TARDIS, and is often from the future or is the partner of an already major character (e.g.Mickey,Rory or River (in an unusual way)). It would be nice to have a futuristic companion for more of the series, like all the way through or even 8 episodes as opposed to 5 or 6. On the other hand, they'll have to pay the actor for more episodes, which will probably stretch the budget. If only dr who had more money.


I like that idea, but why not have a companion from the future as the main companion? The "20-something heterosexual female from present day UK" trope is getting tiresome at this point. I want to see someone completely different as the new companion.

I would also like a main companion from the future. Perhaps someone not from around the 51st century (River and Jack's home era) but further from or closer to the present. A member of friends of the Ood from the 42nd century, maybe? But there's always that issue of relatability, that people will think a non-present day companion is less relatable and will put the majority of the audience off the show. I disagree, they could still be relatively naive and have most of the other important companion traits.

But as an alternative, another futuristic secondary companion would be good.
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Postby Nation of Quebec » Sat Jan 09, 2016 2:50 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:There were a couple of hints dropped that Clara is at least biromantic. First off is Clara's comment to her class that Jane Austen was a great kisser, then there's her speech to Rigsby about Jane, ending with "I love her. Take that how you like." I think Oswin also mentioned kissing a girl at one point.

So, it's not 100% confirmed, but I think there's enough evidence to suggest that Clara isn't entirely heteronormal.


Agreed. Though in a series where we have an openly lesbian lizard/human couple and Captain Jack "I'd fuck it if it is willing" Harkness, one wonders why they did it so subtly ;)


River has had multiple spouses, although it's unclear if she's ended up married following a divorce or if she was married to them all at once. That gives us a polygamous companion, yet nobody seems to bat an eye about that. Clara's relationship with Danny probably would have been more interesting if he had been female. As it was, the romance was the worst part about season 8.

Tokuopolis wrote:I would also like a main companion from the future. Perhaps someone not from around the 51st century (River and Jack's home era) but further from or closer to the present. A member of friends of the Ood from the 42nd century, maybe? But there's always that issue of relatability, that people will think a non-present day companion is less relatable and will put the majority of the audience off the show. I disagree, they could still be relatively naive and have most of the other important companion traits.

But as an alternative, another futuristic secondary companion would be good.


I'd like to see someone from the far future this time around. Someone from New Earth or a bizarre future Earth where all of the continents have fused back together. Either of those would give us an alien world to explore and I don't see why a character from the future wouldn't be considered "relatable".
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Nation of Quebec wrote:I'd like to see someone from the far future this time around. Someone from New Earth or a bizarre future Earth where all of the continents have fused back together. Either of those would give us an alien world to explore and I don't see why a character from the future wouldn't be considered "relatable".

I think it'd be nice to have someone from the past.

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I want a Viking (as in, a proper Viking, not a villager calling themselves a Viking) companion. Someone from one of the sagas where there's a big gap in their adventures, like Beowulf or Hervor.
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Postby Nation of Quebec » Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:03 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Nation of Quebec wrote:I'd like to see someone from the far future this time around. Someone from New Earth or a bizarre future Earth where all of the continents have fused back together. Either of those would give us an alien world to explore and I don't see why a character from the future wouldn't be considered "relatable".

I think it'd be nice to have someone from the past.


I'd be fine with that as well, but I've always found the future more interesting as a setting. Past or future would be better than another one from present day UK, but I'm sure that's what we'll end up with again.
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How about a Time Lady, now that Gallifrey's back? I'm thinking of a young, relatively inexperienced Time Lady (so, like 100 years old or so) who wants to escape oppressive, stultified Gallifreyan society and see the universe.

To be honest I'm not really bothered as long as it's not another ordinary-young-21st-Century-British-girl.


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Chelta wrote:How about a Time Lady, now that Gallifrey's back? I'm thinking of a young, relatively inexperienced Time Lady (so, like 100 years old or so) who wants to escape oppressive, stultified Gallifreyan society and see the universe.

To be honest I'm not really bothered as long as it's not another ordinary-young-21st-Century-British-girl.


Well, I'm increasingly convinced the next Doctor is probably going to be female (after Moffat leaves, God willing), so they might go for a male companion to balance it out.

I'd rather like another male/female duo for companions. Could be a couple, could have some other relationship. It doesn't matter.

I just miss the Rory/Amy days.
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Chelta wrote:How about a Time Lady, now that Gallifrey's back? I'm thinking of a young, relatively inexperienced Time Lady (so, like 100 years old or so) who wants to escape oppressive, stultified Gallifreyan society and see the universe.

To be honest I'm not really bothered as long as it's not another ordinary-young-21st-Century-British-girl.


Well, I'm increasingly convinced the next Doctor is probably going to be female (after Moffat leaves, God willing), so they might go for a male companion to balance it out.

I'd rather like another male/female duo for companions. Could be a couple, could have some other relationship. It doesn't matter.

I just miss the Rory/Amy days.


I'd be fine with a female Doctor. It doesn't bother me in the least and it would be an interesting change for the series. I do think it's time for Moffat to leave though. He's more than overstayed his welcome. Nothing against him, but it's time for someone new.

Please not another couple. After the cringeworthy disaster that was Clara and Danny, I hope that a couple and romance is something Doctor Who avoids.
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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:44 pm

I personally think an old(er) person from the 70s/80s would be pretty good, even just for the hilarity of seeing them come to the 21st century and meet new technology that we're all familiar with.

Probably not the best idea, and almost definitely won't happen, but that's my £0.01.
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Postby Charlia » Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:19 pm

Chelta wrote:How about a Time Lady, now that Gallifrey's back? I'm thinking of a young, relatively inexperienced Time Lady (so, like 100 years old or so) who wants to escape oppressive, stultified Gallifreyan society and see the universe.

To be honest I'm not really bothered as long as it's not another ordinary-young-21st-Century-British-girl.

...I liked RomanaFred... Another Time Lady would be nice.

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Well, I'm increasingly convinced the next Doctor is probably going to be female (after Moffat leaves, God willing), so they might go for a male companion to balance it out.

I'd rather like another male/female duo for companions. Could be a couple, could have some other relationship. It doesn't matter.

I just miss the Rory/Amy days.


I'd be fine with a female Doctor. It doesn't bother me in the least and it would be an interesting change for the series. I do think it's time for Moffat to leave though. He's more than overstayed his welcome. Nothing against him, but it's time for someone new.

Please not another couple. After the cringeworthy disaster that was Clara and Danny, I hope that a couple and romance is something Doctor Who avoids.


I'd rather not have a female Doctor just because it would probably encourage the writers to have a Doctor-Companion romance. There's nothing more contradictory to the Doctor's character than that. I they promised not to do something like that, then I could go for it.

I agree 100% about the couple thing. No more. Please. :(

Next companion should be from that planet we saw in "A Good Man Goes to War". (The one where Strax was healing the President's son.) We at least need an episode on that place, since they made it look so freaking awesome in the 2 minutes it was on screen.
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