The (Regenerated) Doctor Who Thread: Reverse the Polarity!

[The Romulan Republic]

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I hope Moffat puts his all into his final series. Not just because its his final one, but because it is the tenth series of NuWho (36th overall). It's an important anniversary for the new show. Getting Anniversary seasons right is hard, as the writers of Power Rangers will tell you.

It probably helps that his two most annoying pets, River and Clara, are no longer present.

On the other hand, it means he gets a year to ruin the new companion before he leaves.

[Nation of Quebec]

I wish that they would stop teasing us and tell us who the new companion is already. Not sure what they think they're gaining by keeping it a secret. My expectations are low as I'm 90% sure it's going to be another white heterosexual twenty-something female from the present day UK, sticking with the same boring formula that we've mostly had since the revival began. Let's change it up for once.

There's a reason why Donna remains my favorite of the companions. She was older, but she was more like the Doctor's best friend as opposed to someone who had the hots for him and wasn't "perfect". She never felt like she had to prove herself to The Doctor. I wouldn't be opposed if she came back again as a companion for 12. They would be an interesting duo (and it would be nice to see Wilf again), but a companion like her would be nice to see again.

[The Romulan Republic]

I wish that they would stop teasing us and tell us who the new companion is already. Not sure what they think they're gaining by keeping it a secret. My expectations are low as I'm 90% sure it's going to be another white heterosexual twenty-something female from the present day UK, sticking with the same boring formula that we've mostly had since the revival began. Let's change it up for once.

There's a reason why Donna remains my favorite of the companions. She was older, but she was more like the Doctor's best friend as opposed to someone who had the hots for him and wasn't "perfect". She never felt like she had to prove herself to The Doctor. I wouldn't be opposed if she came back again as a companion for 12. They would be an interesting duo (and it would be nice to see Wilf again), but a companion like her would be nice to see again.

For me, I liked Rory and Martha, who both broke with the usual formula as well.

Plus Rory was pure bad ass, and Martha had the strength of character to move on from the Doctor rather than self-destructively, obsessively following him around forever.

[Nation of Quebec]

I wish that they would stop teasing us and tell us who the new companion is already. Not sure what they think they're gaining by keeping it a secret. My expectations are low as I'm 90% sure it's going to be another white heterosexual twenty-something female from the present day UK, sticking with the same boring formula that we've mostly had since the revival began. Let's change it up for once.

There's a reason why Donna remains my favorite of the companions. She was older, but she was more like the Doctor's best friend as opposed to someone who had the hots for him and wasn't "perfect". She never felt like she had to prove herself to The Doctor. I wouldn't be opposed if she came back again as a companion for 12. They would be an interesting duo (and it would be nice to see Wilf again), but a companion like her would be nice to see again.

For me, I liked Rory and Martha, who both broke with the usual formula as well.

Plus Rory was pure bad ass, and Martha had the strength of character to move on from the Doctor rather than self-destructively, obsessively following him around forever.

I liked them as well. Martha is perhaps the most underrated of the new companions and she had some great character development by the end of the series. The last few episodes of series 3 really showed off what she could do.

While I do think the new companion should be something different, that doesn't mean I hate any of the companions of the revival. The exception is Rose. I hate Rose - especially in season 2.

[Tokuopolis]

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I hope Moffat puts his all into his final series. Not just because its his final one, but because it is the tenth series of NuWho (36th overall). It's an important anniversary for the new show. Getting Anniversary seasons right is hard, as the writers of Power Rangers will tell you.

It probably helps that his two most annoying pets, River and Clara, are no longer present.

On the other hand, it means he gets a year to ruin the new companion before he leaves.

Hey I like River!

But her Arc has been completed, so it would be a bit of a bad idea IMHO. Clara and River don't need to reappear. I know they're time travelers, but it would just come across as running out of ideas.

I wish that they would stop teasing us and tell us who the new companion is already. Not sure what they think they're gaining by keeping it a secret. My expectations are low as I'm 90% sure it's going to be another white heterosexual twenty-something female from the present day UK, sticking with the same boring formula that we've mostly had since the revival began. Let's change it up for once.

There's a reason why Donna remains my favorite of the companions. She was older, but she was more like the Doctor's best friend as opposed to someone who had the hots for him and wasn't "perfect". She never felt like she had to prove herself to The Doctor. I wouldn't be opposed if she came back again as a companion for 12. They would be an interesting duo (and it would be nice to see Wilf again), but a companion like her would be nice to see again.

Allegedly, the next companion will be a Muslim, and will be played by Rakhee Thakrar, a South Asian woman. The actress is 32, but the character may be in her 20s.

[Tokuopolis]

BTW, I feel like Zootropolis did a political/anti-racism message far better than the Zygon Invasion/Inversion. Part of that (to me at least) it is more applicable to multiple scenarios and real-world events, whereas the Zygon Invasion/Inversion was just a thinly disguised bunch of modern issues (Rebel groups in Ukraine and the Middle east, the refugee crisis and Mexican immigration to the US).

I think part of that may be that Zootropolis was a pure fantasy world on the surface. The "aliens as terrorists" metaphor has been done before (War Of the Worlds 2005, BSG2003, Maquis and Bajorans in Star Trek). Why not invert or experiment with it? A human minority on an alien world. Or two different species of aliens.

[Tokuopolis]

Class Cast has been Announced. Good thing Class is out this year. Even if you're not particularly interested or dislike YA, at least it means we've got something to go on before Christmas.

[Nation of Quebec]

Still no new news about the new companion. I honestly don't know what the BBC thinks they're gaining by keeping it a secret when the decision has already been made.

Class Cast has been Announced. Good thing Class is out this year. Even if you're not particularly interested or dislike YA, at least it means we've got something to go on before Christmas.

Meh. Still going to pass on that one. Out of all the spin offs the fans wanted, they just had to go with a high school drama with the Doctor Who universe as a backdrop. There were so many better possibilities that would have been better recieved.

I find it interesting that while Doctor Who is talking about more diversity in its cast, Class (with one exception) gets the whitest possible cast they can find.

[Astrolinium]

I find it interesting that while Doctor Who is talking about more diversity in its cast, Class (with one exception) gets the whitest possible cast they can find.

Literally half of the main cast (the students) are not white: Vivian Oparah and Fady Elsayed. Two-fifths if you include the teacher, which is actually pretty much exactly right, statistically, for the racial makeup of London.

[Cosumar]

In my quest to watch every episode of Doctor Who from the very beginning, which began well over a year ago, I have finally concluded the Tom Baker era. What a great run for the show. Even though Four isn't my favorite classic doctor (I actually prefer all three of his predecessors, for some reason) judging purely by his character, he presided over A LOT of great episodes and the influence he had on the recent actors to take up the mantle is obvious.

Now on to Five!

[The Time Lord-Danish Confederacy]

Always bring a banana to the party, Rose.


In other news, Chameleon Circuit. The band, I mean.

[The Romulan Republic]

Hey I like River!

I thought River was maybe alright at first. Then Moffat drove the character into the ground, like he has the whole show for the most part since season six.

But her Arc has been completed, so it would be a bit of a bad idea IMHO. Clara and River don't need to reappear. I know they're time travelers, but it would just come across as running out of ideas.

I don't mind old characters coming back.

I do mind shitty characters coming back, unless they've got a really brilliant writer who can somehow salvage what Moffat ruined.

Allegedly, the next companion will be a Muslim, and will be played by Rakhee Thakrar, a South Asian woman. The actress is 32, but the character may be in her 20s.

On the one hand, I'm all for diversity.

On the other hand... another young woman.

And I don't trust Doctor Who's writers to handle a Muslim companion well. While it should be possible to treat a Muslim character just like anyone else, they're stepping into a political mine field right now, and I don't think they have the tact, principles, or intelligence for it.

Did I mention I'm very disappointed with the show's writing over the last few years?

[Astrolinium]

And I don't trust Doctor Who's writers to handle a Muslim companion well. While it should be possible to treat a Muslim character just like anyone else, they're stepping into a political mine field right now, and I don't think they have the tact, principles, or intelligence for it.

Did I mention I'm very disappointed with the show's writing over the last few years?

They managed it quite well in Flatline. I also don't see where you're disappointed, except perhaps for Series 7 part 2, which was a bit disappointing. Capaldi's run has, in fact, been a steady run uphill in quality, I'd say, and the informal polling we've done here throughout seems to have agreed (though I don't keep the numbers and neither did Nationstatelandsville).

[Tokuopolis]

Still no new news about the new companion. I honestly don't know what the BBC thinks they're gaining by keeping it a secret when the decision has already been made.

Class Cast has been Announced. Good thing Class is out this year. Even if you're not particularly interested or dislike YA, at least it means we've got something to go on before Christmas.

Meh. Still going to pass on that one. Out of all the spin offs the fans wanted, they just had to go with a high school drama with the Doctor Who universe as a backdrop. There were so many better possibilities that would have been better recieved.

I find it interesting that while Doctor Who is talking about more diversity in its cast, Class (with one exception) gets the whitest possible cast they can find.

I was just saying its good we've got something rather than nothing. I'm optimistic, and I hope it will turn out very good. A YA SF/Fantasy drama that had a large adult audience was Buffy the Vampire Slayer (although that did start nearly 20 years ago now, so the real world and the YA genre has changed) and Class is taking inspiration from that show. A Paternoster gang spinoff might have been too expensive with all the makeup needed for Jenny and Strax, and the costumes for all 3 (although I do like the characters and would like to see them return).

And like Astro said, there is more than 1 non-white person in the cast of Class, so both dr who and class will be diverse.

[The Romulan Republic]

I was just saying its good we've got something rather than nothing. I'm optimistic, and I hope it will turn out very good. A YA SF/Fantasy drama that had a large adult audience was Buffy the Vampire Slayer (although that did start nearly 20 years ago now, so the real world and the YA genre has changed) and Class is taking inspiration from that show. A Paternoster gang spinoff might have been too expensive with all the makeup needed for Jenny and Strax, and the costumes for all 3 (although I do like the characters and would like to see them return).

And like Astro said, there is more than 1 non-white person in the cast of Class, so both dr who and class will be diverse.

Period pieces tend to be more expensive, don't they? So yeah, I'd expect a Paternoster show to be pricer.

As to Buffy comparisons... well, I'll be surprised if Class comes close to Buffy's level. But then Buffy is probably my very favourite SF show.

[Tokuopolis]

Hey I like River!

I thought River was maybe alright at first. Then Moffat drove the character into the ground, like he has the whole show for the most part since season six.

But her Arc has been completed, so it would be a bit of a bad idea IMHO. Clara and River don't need to reappear. I know they're time travelers, but it would just come across as running out of ideas.

I don't mind old characters coming back.

I do mind shitty characters coming back, unless they've got a really brilliant writer who can somehow salvage what Moffat ruined.

Allegedly, the next companion will be a Muslim, and will be played by Rakhee Thakrar, a South Asian woman. The actress is 32, but the character may be in her 20s.

On the one hand, I'm all for diversity.

On the other hand... another young woman.

And I don't trust Doctor Who's writers to handle a Muslim companion well. While it should be possible to treat a Muslim character just like anyone else, they're stepping into a political mine field right now, and I don't think they have the tact, principles, or intelligence for it.

Did I mention I'm very disappointed with the show's writing over the last few years?

I personally though River was awesome/pretty cool, but I do agree with most of what you're saying overall. I'm more 'meh' about Clara than anything. I think may be give it a few decades, let nostalgia build. Bring the character back then when there's more nostalgia for them, not right now.

It is good to have a diverse cast. It reflects reality and the audience of the show more.

Maybe they should hire someone from the Ms Marvel comics series or Mega Robo Bros comic strip (both comics with well-written Muslim characters) if they want to have Muslims in the cast of Doctor who. Get someone who knows what they're doing, you know.

I've been disappointed with the past few seasons as well, but I think Capaldi's latest season was a definite improvement.

I was just saying its good we've got something rather than nothing. I'm optimistic, and I hope it will turn out very good. A YA SF/Fantasy drama that had a large adult audience was Buffy the Vampire Slayer (although that did start nearly 20 years ago now, so the real world and the YA genre has changed) and Class is taking inspiration from that show. A Paternoster gang spinoff might have been too expensive with all the makeup needed for Jenny and Strax, and the costumes for all 3 (although I do like the characters and would like to see them return).

And like Astro said, there is more than 1 non-white person in the cast of Class, so both dr who and class will be diverse.

Period pieces tend to be more expensive, don't they? So yeah, I'd expect a Paternoster show to be pricer.

As to Buffy comparisons... well, I'll be surprised if Class comes close to Buffy's level. But then Buffy is probably my very favourite SF show.

Heh, heh, yeah.Maybe that was another reason for the cancellation of Jeykll and Hyde, along with the controversy over the content and time of airing. It's hard to be both a period piece and a work of SF/Fantasy as you need both period-accurate (or somewhat period accurate) clothing along with CGI/prosthetics for creatures. Then again, Merlin managed it (having 5 seasons) and that was set in a pure medievalesque fantasy world (meaning it needed historical clothing along with CGI Monsters).

BTW, I haven't watch Buffy personally, but I think it's bit odd that we are looking at show that started nearly 20 years ago for inspiration. I'm sure Buffy's good, if not great, but I think YA SF/Fantasy have moved on and evolved from how it looked nearly 2 decades ago. I'd just try and mention something more recent for inspiration. I doubt most current 12-18 Year olds have watched Buffy (I'm 17 for the record). I think they mentioned Hunger Games as an influence too, and the film series only started 4 years ago.

And I don't trust Doctor Who's writers to handle a Muslim companion well. While it should be possible to treat a Muslim character just like anyone else, they're stepping into a political mine field right now, and I don't think they have the tact, principles, or intelligence for it.

Did I mention I'm very disappointed with the show's writing over the last few years?

They managed it quite well in Flatline. I also don't see where you're disappointed, except perhaps for Series 7 part 2, which was a bit disappointing. Capaldi's run has, in fact, been a steady run uphill in quality, I'd say, and the informal polling we've done here throughout seems to have agreed (though I don't keep the numbers and neither did Nationstatelandsville).

Who was the Muslim character in Flatline? I can't remember, sorry.

[Astrolinium]

Who was the Muslim character in Flatline? I can't remember, sorry.

The train driver. They treated it very respectfully, and in fact it only became apparent at the very end of the episode when he prayed after being rescued.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Who was the Muslim character in Flatline? I can't remember, sorry.

The train driver. They treated it very respectfully, and in fact it only became apparent at the very end of the episode when he prayed after being rescued.

What about the Muslim doctor from The God Complex? Been a while since I watched that episode, but IIRC that was also done quite well.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Period pieces tend to be more expensive, don't they? So yeah, I'd expect a Paternoster show to be pricer.

As to Buffy comparisons... well, I'll be surprised if Class comes close to Buffy's level. But then Buffy is probably my very favourite SF show.

Heh, heh, yeah.Maybe that was another reason for the cancellation of Jeykll and Hyde, along with the controversy over the content and time of airing. It's hard to be both a period piece and a work of SF/Fantasy as you need both period-accurate (or somewhat period accurate) clothing along with CGI/prosthetics for creatures. Then again, Merlin managed it (having 5 seasons) and that was set in a pure medievalesque fantasy world (meaning it needed historical clothing along with CGI Monsters).

BTW, I haven't watch Buffy personally, but I think it's bit odd that we are looking at show that started nearly 20 years ago for inspiration. I'm sure Buffy's good, if not great, but I think YA SF/Fantasy have moved on and evolved from how it looked nearly 2 decades ago. I'd just try and mention something more recent for inspiration. I doubt most current 12-18 Year olds have watched Buffy (I'm 17 for the record). I think they mentioned Hunger Games as an influence too, and the film series only started 4 years ago.

Cost really shouldn't be the main consideration, especially not if it's used to justify producing something no one wants. I'd rather they made maybe a one and a half hour Paternoster special than however many episodes they're doing of Class.

The problem with using the Hunger Games as an influence is that the Hunger Games is terribly, terribly average. I might be wrong, but I think Davies' revival of Doctor Who was very heavily influenced by BtVS, so comparisons are totally valid.
Also, go watch Buffy. It's guaranteed to be better than whatever you're watching at the moment.

[Tokuopolis]

Who was the Muslim character in Flatline? I can't remember, sorry.

The train driver. They treated it very respectfully, and in fact it only became apparent at the very end of the episode when he prayed after being rescued.

Was that an Independence Day Homage? In Independence Day, Julius Levinson reads the Torah towards the end of the film, when the other characters prepare to launch a counter-attack against the aliens.

But anyway, having Muslim background characters is relatively common (at least in Cartoons and comics like We Bare Bears, Mega Robo Bros and Extra Credits). It's a good thing there are Muslim main protagonists too, it show the diversity of real life. I think if they could address real life racial issues in a mature and sensible way, that would be better than just never mentioning it. But in my opinion, never mentioning these issues is still better than mentioning it and handling it badly.

And it depends on the situation and setting of the story I think. Something like Star Trek or Mega Robo Bros takes place in an idealized future. It's escapism, it's just meant to be fun, and including minority characters without mentioning modern racial issues isn't a problem in my opinion, because these stories take place in societies that have moved beyond that. In that way, it's more than just escapism, it's an ideal we can strive for.

[Astrolinium]

The train driver. They treated it very respectfully, and in fact it only became apparent at the very end of the episode when he prayed after being rescued.

Was that an Independence Day Homage? In Independence Day, Julius Levinson reads the Torah towards the end of the film, when the other characters prepare to launch a counter-attack against the aliens.

Probably not. Those are very different scenes and a Muslim man praying after having his life saved is not the same as a Jewish man praying and reading from the Torah in hope that he won't die.

[The Romulan Republic]

Heh, heh, yeah.Maybe that was another reason for the cancellation of Jeykll and Hyde, along with the controversy over the content and time of airing. It's hard to be both a period piece and a work of SF/Fantasy as you need both period-accurate (or somewhat period accurate) clothing along with CGI/prosthetics for creatures. Then again, Merlin managed it (having 5 seasons) and that was set in a pure medievalesque fantasy world (meaning it needed historical clothing along with CGI Monsters).

BTW, I haven't watch Buffy personally, but I think it's bit odd that we are looking at show that started nearly 20 years ago for inspiration. I'm sure Buffy's good, if not great, but I think YA SF/Fantasy have moved on and evolved from how it looked nearly 2 decades ago. I'd just try and mention something more recent for inspiration. I doubt most current 12-18 Year olds have watched Buffy (I'm 17 for the record). I think they mentioned Hunger Games as an influence too, and the film series only started 4 years ago.

Cost really shouldn't be the main consideration, especially not if it's used to justify producing something no one wants. I'd rather they made maybe a one and a half hour Paternoster special than however many episodes they're doing of Class.

Cost shouldn't be the main concern, but it will realistically be an issue for a TV studio. As is being able to make a full series for the cost of a special.

And I'm not sure the Paternoster gang could properly carry a lengthy series on their own anyway, unless they fleshed out the characters quite a bit more fast.

The problem with using the Hunger Games as an influence is that the Hunger Games is terribly, terribly average. I might be wrong, but I think Davies' revival of Doctor Who was very heavily influenced by BtVS, so comparisons are totally valid.

Can't fairly comment on Hunger Games I suppose, since I haven't read the books or watched the films. But I don't care for the premise.

And yes, I've heard that Buffy influenced new Doctor Who.

Also, go watch Buffy. It's guaranteed to be better than whatever you're watching at the moment.

Oh God yes.

It is a source of some frustration to me (and, I think, a lot of other Buffy fans), that Buffy has seemingly been largely forgotten/ignored (by the general public anyway) and overshadowed by stuff like Twilight.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Cost really shouldn't be the main consideration, especially not if it's used to justify producing something no one wants. I'd rather they made maybe a one and a half hour Paternoster special than however many episodes they're doing of Class.

Cost shouldn't be the main concern, but it will realistically be an issue for a TV studio. As is being able to make a full series for the cost of a special.

And I'm not sure the Paternoster gang could properly carry a lengthy series on their own anyway, unless they fleshed out the characters quite a bit more fast.

You have a point, but it's worth bearing in mind that the BBC's job is to entertain,inform etc, not fill broadcast space, and they'd be doing their job better if they produced a single well-received episode than a steaming pile of shit that nobody wants (not that I'm pre-judging Class, you understand.)

The problem with using the Hunger Games as an influence is that the Hunger Games is terribly, terribly average. I might be wrong, but I think Davies' revival of Doctor Who was very heavily influenced by BtVS, so comparisons are totally valid.

Can't fairly comment on Hunger Games I suppose, since I haven't read the books or watched the films. But I don't care for the premise.

And yes, I've heard that Buffy influenced new Doctor Who.

I like the premise, but the execution is messier than a headsman with a butterknife.

Also, go watch Buffy. It's guaranteed to be better than whatever you're watching at the moment.

Oh God yes.

It is a source of some frustration to me (and, I think, a lot of other Buffy fans), that Buffy has seemingly been largely forgotten/ignored (by the general public anyway) and overshadowed by stuff like Twilight.

All is not lost! I came to Buffy last Summer after years of my uncle telling me to watch it. I'd been catching up on (and enjoying) various other shows before the Summer, and I remember when I went back to those having watched Buffy (and Angel) I found myself thinking, "Huh. What did I enjoy about these?"

[Tokuopolis]

Heh, heh, yeah.Maybe that was another reason for the cancellation of Jeykll and Hyde, along with the controversy over the content and time of airing. It's hard to be both a period piece and a work of SF/Fantasy as you need both period-accurate (or somewhat period accurate) clothing along with CGI/prosthetics for creatures. Then again, Merlin managed it (having 5 seasons) and that was set in a pure medievalesque fantasy world (meaning it needed historical clothing along with CGI Monsters).

BTW, I haven't watch Buffy personally, but I think it's bit odd that we are looking at show that started nearly 20 years ago for inspiration. I'm sure Buffy's good, if not great, but I think YA SF/Fantasy have moved on and evolved from how it looked nearly 2 decades ago. I'd just try and mention something more recent for inspiration. I doubt most current 12-18 Year olds have watched Buffy (I'm 17 for the record). I think they mentioned Hunger Games as an influence too, and the film series only started 4 years ago.

Cost really shouldn't be the main consideration, especially not if it's used to justify producing something no one wants. I'd rather they made maybe a one and a half hour Paternoster special than however many episodes they're doing of Class.

The problem with using the Hunger Games as an influence is that the Hunger Games is terribly, terribly average. I might be wrong, but I think Davies' revival of Doctor Who was very heavily influenced by BtVS, so comparisons are totally valid.
Also, go watch Buffy. It's guaranteed to be better than whatever you're watching at the moment.

Joking mode:Does Buffy feature Japanese rescue workers driving cool cars to pilot giant fire-engines that can combine with other Rescue Vehicles to unlock new Final rescues? No, no, it does not. Tomica Hero Rescue Force is therefore superior.

Serious mode: Good point. A doctor who spinoff that was occasional specials (2-3 per year) would definitely stand out from the more traditional formats seen in SJA and TW. And I would like a paternoster gang spinoff. But I'm still hopeful about Class, because I feel they will try their best with it.

I personally enjoy the Hunger Games films, although I've only seen the first 2. If you don't like HG, why not watch Battle Royale? Similar premise, darker tone.

Yes, the RTD era was definitely influenced by BTVS, and he wanted to appeal to Buffistas (mentioned in Dr Who the shooting scripts). Maybe Class is intended as a nostalgic throwback to the RTD era of Dr Who.

I will watch Buffy one day, I promise. But I've got lots of other shows and things I'm interested in at the moment (Maybe I'll watch more of MITHC). And what you said seemed a bit dismissive anyway. What if it was some other popular, critically acclaimed show like Breaking Bad, BSG2003, The Wire or Game of Thrones? Why aren't they as good as Buffy in your opinion?

Cost really shouldn't be the main consideration, especially not if it's used to justify producing something no one wants. I'd rather they made maybe a one and a half hour Paternoster special than however many episodes they're doing of Class.

Cost shouldn't be the main concern, but it will realistically be an issue for a TV studio. As is being able to make a full series for the cost of a special.

And I'm not sure the Paternoster gang could properly carry a lengthy series on their own anyway, unless they fleshed out the characters quite a bit more fast.

The problem with using the Hunger Games as an influence is that the Hunger Games is terribly, terribly average. I might be wrong, but I think Davies' revival of Doctor Who was very heavily influenced by BtVS, so comparisons are totally valid.

Can't fairly comment on Hunger Games I suppose, since I haven't read the books or watched the films. But I don't care for the premise.

And yes, I've heard that Buffy influenced new Doctor Who.

Also, go watch Buffy. It's guaranteed to be better than whatever you're watching at the moment.

Oh God yes.

It is a source of some frustration to me (and, I think, a lot of other Buffy fans), that Buffy has seemingly been largely forgotten/ignored (by the general public anyway) and overshadowed by stuff like Twilight.

Joking mode:It's BTVS's/BTVS fans fault that Twilight exists in the first place. If the fans/writers had stopped shipping Buffy with Spike, Angel, Gummy, Opalescence, Owlowiscious, Philomena, Tank and Winona (all those ensouled vampires), Stephanie Meyer would have never shipped Bella with Edward!

Half-joking mode:Besides, Buffy is too mainstream. All the cool kids watch Big Wolf on Campus. *Puts on Hipster glasses*

Serious Mode:Really? It seems to still be mentioned almost everyday for me (there's a kids book called "Vampires For Girls" and it recommends Buffy).

Maybe the reason younger people tend to ignore/forget about Buffy is because of the 90s kid culture and nostalgia filter (believing everything in the 90s is superior). Maybe they don't want to look into Buffy because people like that are incredibly dismissive of their shows and interests, so they dismiss and ignore 90s stuff in turn. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you

While I'm sure Buffy's good, and it's achievements don't deserve to be forgotten, we also need to realise what future creators could do better, and recognise the flaws and failings of BTVS. There weren't many POC in Buffy AFAIK. Why couldn't Xander, Spike, Angel, Giles or any other members of the supporting cast have been POC? Why couldn't Buffy herself been a woman of colour? (YMMV on that, as Sarah Michelle Gellar has Jewish ancestry, and Buffy was designed to subvert the blonde victim stereotype in horror films). Joss Whedon missed a large potential audience.

And we should remember and look at the good TV shows of the 2000s and 2010s. To paraphrase Alan Moore: No-one can seem to think of many shows that have been as progressive as Buffy that have appeared since....It seems a bit of a poor show if there hasn't been anything as progressive as a show that came out in 1997. That's why I think it's good that Class is influenced by the Hunger Games too, as that's something modern teens are more likely to have an interest in as well as showing they know how the genre has evolved.

[Nation of Quebec]

Still going to have to pass on Class. Nobody asked for this spin-off and it seems like it's trying too hard to be something else, rather than be its own thing and that's not a good sign.

Even if a Paternoster Gang spin-off is too expensive, they could have gone with a continuation of Torchwood, a spin-off with Jack and River, a spin-off with Clara and Ashildr, a show with the Eighth Doctor, and I'm sure there's multiple other better ideas for spin offs than a high school drama that's been done to death.