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Postby Aqizithiuda » Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:37 am

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I'd be fine with a female Doctor. It doesn't bother me in the least and it would be an interesting change for the series. I do think it's time for Moffat to leave though. He's more than overstayed his welcome. Nothing against him, but it's time for someone new.

Please not another couple. After the cringeworthy disaster that was Clara and Danny, I hope that a couple and romance is something Doctor Who avoids.


I'd rather not have a female Doctor just because it would probably encourage the writers to have a Doctor-Companion romance. There's nothing more contradictory to the Doctor's character than that. I they promised not to do something like that, then I could go for it.

I agree 100% about the couple thing. No more. Please. :(

Next companion should be from that planet we saw in "A Good Man Goes to War". (The one where Strax was healing the President's son.) We at least need an episode on that place, since they made it look so freaking awesome in the 2 minutes it was on screen.


>a female doctor
>first doctor/companion romance
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I'd rather not have a female Doctor just because it would probably encourage the writers to have a Doctor-Companion romance. There's nothing more contradictory to the Doctor's character than that. I they promised not to do something like that, then I could go for it.

I agree 100% about the couple thing. No more. Please. :(

Next companion should be from that planet we saw in "A Good Man Goes to War". (The one where Strax was healing the President's son.) We at least need an episode on that place, since they made it look so freaking awesome in the 2 minutes it was on screen.


>a female doctor
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He didn't say the first romance, he said the writers would be encouraged to create a romance. As in, more likely than usual.
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Of the four Doctors in the modern series, only one hasn't had a romantic relationship with a companion (or companion's daughter). Nine and Ten had Rose, Eleven had River and Clara. Ten also had a romance of sorts with Madame de Pompadur and Queen Elizabeth, while Eleven ended up engaged to Marilyn Monroe. Nine also had a romantic subplot with a sentient tree.

A female Doctor would have to sleep with her companion/consider that out loud for her to be any more involved with her companion(s) than a male Doctor.
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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:16 am

Aqizithiuda wrote:Of the four Doctors in the modern series, only one hasn't had a romantic relationship with a companion (or companion's daughter). Nine and Ten had Rose, Eleven had River and Clara. Ten also had a romance of sorts with Madame de Pompadur and Queen Elizabeth, while Eleven ended up engaged to Marilyn Monroe. Nine also had a romantic subplot with a sentient tree.

A female Doctor would have to sleep with her companion/consider that out loud for her to be any more involved with her companion(s) than a male Doctor.

12 technically has River now...

To be fair, they probably would make it more in-your-face than any of the 4 so far
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Aqizithiuda wrote:Of the four Doctors in the modern series, only one hasn't had a romantic relationship with a companion (or companion's daughter). Nine and Ten had Rose, Eleven had River and Clara. Ten also had a romance of sorts with Madame de Pompadur and Queen Elizabeth, while Eleven ended up engaged to Marilyn Monroe. Nine also had a romantic subplot with a sentient tree.

A female Doctor would have to sleep with her companion/consider that out loud for her to be any more involved with her companion(s) than a male Doctor.

12 technically has River now...

To be fair, they probably would make it more in-your-face than any of the 4 so far


No, the media and the screaming minority of fans would, especially if they didn't change the Doctor's preference for women. I suspect the show would keep it at the same levels as we currently have.
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Postby Charlia » Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:43 am

Aqizithiuda wrote:Of the four Doctors in the modern series, only one hasn't had a romantic relationship with a companion (or companion's daughter). Nine and Ten had Rose, Eleven had River and Clara. Ten also had a romance of sorts with Madame de Pompadur and Queen Elizabeth, while Eleven ended up engaged to Marilyn Monroe. Nine also had a romantic subplot with a sentient tree.

A female Doctor would have to sleep with her companion/consider that out loud for her to be any more involved with her companion(s) than a male Doctor.
...Technically Eleven married Marilyn Monroe, although it was dubious. Sort of like his marriage to River. Whether or not it's legally binding can be brought into question.



...Also, 'Nine also had a romantic subplot with a sentient tree' made me laugh harder than it should have.

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Well, I'm increasingly convinced the next Doctor is probably going to be female (after Moffat leaves, God willing), so they might go for a male companion to balance it out.

I'd rather like another male/female duo for companions. Could be a couple, could have some other relationship. It doesn't matter.

I just miss the Rory/Amy days.

Me too. I've got a SF magazine praising the first half of season 7 (the 2012 half) for not having a rushed story arc, but a major problem was that the rest of season 7 felt weaker and it didn't flow on as well as the two halves of series 6 did. The first 2 series of Smith's reign are good, but the third was much more of a mixed bag. It did have some episodes I liked, like Cold War and The Crimson Horror. Heck, I even enjoyed Journey to The Centre of The TARDIS.
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Postby Charlia » Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:18 pm

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Well, I'm increasingly convinced the next Doctor is probably going to be female (after Moffat leaves, God willing), so they might go for a male companion to balance it out.

I'd rather like another male/female duo for companions. Could be a couple, could have some other relationship. It doesn't matter.

I just miss the Rory/Amy days.

Me too. I've got a SF magazine praising the first half of season 7 (the 2012 half) for not having a rushed story arc, but a major problem was that the rest of season 7 felt weaker and it didn't flow on as well as the two halves of series 6 did. The first 2 series of Smith's reign are good, but the third was much more of a mixed bag. It did have some episodes I liked, like Cold War and The Crimson Horror. Heck, I even enjoyed Journey to The Centre of The TARDIS.

Less Clara=better episodes. At least, from what I've observed.

Now that she's gone, I look forward to many more years of happiness.

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Postby Tokuopolis » Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:13 am

Does anyone else think the Zygon Invasion would have been better if it was a parody/homage of They Live instead? It would have been more appropriate for Halloween anyway.

Also, in SFX magazine, someone asked that the next doctor who companion be 'someone normal'. What that means I'm not sure. Probably another heterosexual female from the present day UK, just without any big story arc abilities. I'm not sure about that, a companion needs a good story arc.
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Tokuopolis wrote:Does anyone else think the Zygon Invasion would have been better if it was a parody/homage of They Live instead? It would have been more appropriate for Halloween anyway.


Absolutely not. The concept of the Zygon episodes was good enough, the first episode just handled things badly. It certainly didn't need to rip off/"pay homage" to a movie or go all halloween.
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Tokuopolis wrote:Also, in SFX magazine, someone asked that the next doctor who companion be 'someone normal'. What that means I'm not sure. Probably another heterosexual female from the present day UK, just without any big story arc abilities. I'm not sure about that, a companion needs a good story arc.


Tbh, after the arc-shrouded enigma that was Clara Oswald, I'd prefer the next companion just to be someone who travels with the Doctor and leave it at that, although I'm not opposed to an emotional/character arc for the companion. Not saying I didn't like Clara (I did, she'd really grown on me by the time she left), but I would find it wearing if the companion always had to be some puzzle for the Doctor to solve, rather than just a good mate.


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Tokuopolis wrote:Also, in SFX magazine, someone asked that the next doctor who companion be 'someone normal'. What that means I'm not sure. Probably another heterosexual female from the present day UK, just without any big story arc abilities. I'm not sure about that, a companion needs a good story arc.


Tbh, after the arc-shrouded enigma that was Clara Oswald, I'd prefer the next companion just to be someone who travels with the Doctor and leave it at that, although I'm not opposed to an emotional/character arc for the companion. Not saying I didn't like Clara (I did, she'd really grown on me by the time she left), but I would find it wearing if the companion always had to be some puzzle for the Doctor to solve, rather than just a good mate.

So would I. It felt that the Clara of series 8 and 9 was a completely different person as compared to the Clara from series 7 part 2.

I still thought she was a good companion.

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Tbh, after the arc-shrouded enigma that was Clara Oswald, I'd prefer the next companion just to be someone who travels with the Doctor and leave it at that, although I'm not opposed to an emotional/character arc for the companion. Not saying I didn't like Clara (I did, she'd really grown on me by the time she left), but I would find it wearing if the companion always had to be some puzzle for the Doctor to solve, rather than just a good mate.

So would I. It felt that the Clara of series 8 and 9 was a completely different person as compared to the Clara from series 7 part 2.

I still thought she was a good companion.


I think they finally got her right in series 9. In series 7b there was a story arc where her personality was supposed to be, and in series 8 they went totally to the other extreme by giving her so much personality she became irritating and unlikable. In series 9 they found the sweet spot between the two.

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Postby Tokuopolis » Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:36 am

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Tokuopolis wrote:Does anyone else think the Zygon Invasion would have been better if it was a parody/homage of They Live instead? It would have been more appropriate for Halloween anyway.


Absolutely not. The concept of the Zygon episodes was good enough, the first episode just handled things badly. It certainly didn't need to rip off/"pay homage" to a movie or go all halloween.
I disagree. I say Dr who should have homaged a horror movie or gone all halloween for its first episode in the new series to air on halloween. I know halloween isn't as big in the UK as it is in the USA, but come on! If you were in charge of a popular science fantasy TV show aimed at families, and you knew an episode would air on halloween, what would you do: make a halloween special, or do a political allegory?

I think most people would go for the former.

But the concept was okay, and the second half was much stronger, I'll admit. It just should have been elsewhere in the series and they should have done something else (preferably a stand-alone) for a halloween episode. I'd really like a Doctor who story set on Halloween. And if they homaged they live it could have been an excellent and fun episode. Someone could steal the doctor's sonic sunglasses and say ""I have come here to eat jelly babies and kick ass. And I'm all out of jelly babies." as they fight the zygons or whoever. Technically, They Live is a political allegory too, but it would have been a better way to go about it. You homage a brilliant Sci-fi horror and do a still-relevant political allegory at the same time, so it would be more enjoyable.
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Well, I'm increasingly convinced the next Doctor is probably going to be female (after Moffat leaves, God willing), so they might go for a male companion to balance it out.

I'd rather like another male/female duo for companions. Could be a couple, could have some other relationship. It doesn't matter.

I just miss the Rory/Amy days.

Me too. I've got a SF magazine praising the first half of season 7 (the 2012 half) for not having a rushed story arc, but a major problem was that the rest of season 7 felt weaker and it didn't flow on as well as the two halves of series 6 did. The first 2 series of Smith's reign are good, but the third was much more of a mixed bag. It did have some episodes I liked, like Cold War and The Crimson Horror. Heck, I even enjoyed Journey to The Centre of The TARDIS.


I caught the end of "The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe" over Christmas, which I don't think I'd never seen before, and as I recall, I was struck by a powerful feeling of how good Smith's Doctor could be, and how great it was to see Amy again (which is funny because I didn't like her that much). Because I'd never seen it when it was first on, it was almost like getting a new Eleventh Doctor episode. :) :(

Don't get me wrong, I like Capaldi. But when I think of the Doctor outside of his current incarnation, I still tend to see Smith.
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Does anyone think series 9 will end up as an unintentional period piece?
The allegories in the zygon 2-parter and the sonic sunglasses make this likely to me.
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Tokuopolis wrote:Me too. I've got a SF magazine praising the first half of season 7 (the 2012 half) for not having a rushed story arc, but a major problem was that the rest of season 7 felt weaker and it didn't flow on as well as the two halves of series 6 did. The first 2 series of Smith's reign are good, but the third was much more of a mixed bag. It did have some episodes I liked, like Cold War and The Crimson Horror. Heck, I even enjoyed Journey to The Centre of The TARDIS.


I caught the end of "The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe" over Christmas, which I don't think I'd never seen before, and as I recall, I was struck by a powerful feeling of how good Smith's Doctor could be, and how great it was to see Amy again (which is funny because I didn't like her that much). Because I'd never seen it when it was first on, it was almost like getting a new Eleventh Doctor episode. :) :(

Don't get me wrong, I like Capaldi. But when I think of the Doctor outside of his current incarnation, I still tend to see Smith.

Smith will always be my Doctor. :p And he wasn't my first, either.
Tokuopolis wrote:Does anyone think series 9 will end up as an unintentional period piece?
The allegories in the zygon 2-parter and the sonic sunglasses make this likely to me.
Hmm, I hope not. Doctor Who appeals to me so often because it's so... strange. Different from the real world.

If that happens...

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I caught the end of "The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe" over Christmas, which I don't think I'd never seen before, and as I recall, I was struck by a powerful feeling of how good Smith's Doctor could be, and how great it was to see Amy again (which is funny because I didn't like her that much). Because I'd never seen it when it was first on, it was almost like getting a new Eleventh Doctor episode. :) :(

Don't get me wrong, I like Capaldi. But when I think of the Doctor outside of his current incarnation, I still tend to see Smith.

Smith will always be my Doctor. :p And he wasn't my first, either.
Tokuopolis wrote:Does anyone think series 9 will end up as an unintentional period piece?
The allegories in the zygon 2-parter and the sonic sunglasses make this likely to me.
Hmm, I hope not. Doctor Who appeals to me so often because it's so... strange. Different from the real world.

If that happens...

1. I really liked Smith too and I watched the RTD era.
2.It's already happened to a degree with the 2005 finale. The shows they parodied, while still somewhat remembered, are now either cancelled or less popular. Weakest link is over but still remembered, big brother is still going but it is less popular, and What not to wear fell by the wayside. And its already happened a few other times.
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Charlia wrote:Smith will always be my Doctor. :p And he wasn't my first, either.Hmm, I hope not. Doctor Who appeals to me so often because it's so... strange. Different from the real world.

If that happens...

1. I really liked Smith too and I watched the RTD era.
2.It's already happened to a degree with the 2005 finale. The shows they parodied, while still somewhat remembered, are now all cancelled. Weakest link is over but still remembered, big brother is still going but it is less popular, and What not to wear fell by the wayside. And its already happened a few other times.

That was funny for me just because it was amusing, I didn't understand what it was referencing until my parents explained. :p Too young to get it at the time.

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Tokuopolis wrote:1. I really liked Smith too and I watched the RTD era.
2.It's already happened to a degree with the 2005 finale. The shows they parodied, while still somewhat remembered, are now all cancelled. Weakest link is over but still remembered, big brother is still going but it is less popular, and What not to wear fell by the wayside. And its already happened a few other times.

That was funny for me just because it was amusing, I didn't understand what it was referencing until my parents explained. :p Too young to get it at the time.
When did you watch it BTW? I didn't really get the 2005 and 2006 seasons until I watched some of the episodes again and liked it more.
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Charlia wrote:That was funny for me just because it was amusing, I didn't understand what it was referencing until my parents explained. :p Too young to get it at the time.
When did you watch it BTW? I didn't really get the 2005 and 2006 seasons until I watched some of the episodes again and liked it more.

I don't even know anymore. :p

Doctor Who... I think I started watching it one or two years ago. Feels like forever though, I suppose that's how it always feels with something like this.

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Postby Tokuopolis » Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:39 am

Just thought of a hole in my theory about the unfortunate unintentional racist undercurrents in SJA. Celeste Rivers, a black woman, was portrayed positively. She does have her memory wiped like Clyde and Rani's mums, which is a bit disappointing, but she is aware of other events and incidents. Her lack of a major appearance in seasons 4 & 5 is probably another part of the shows downfall.
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Postby Tokuopolis » Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:15 pm

Guess what? The BBC replayed a classic serial and it's on iplayer!http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p00vf80v/doctor-who-the-face-of-evil-part-1
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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:54 am

Tokuopolis wrote:Just thought of a hole in my theory about the unfortunate unintentional racist undercurrents in SJA. Celeste Rivers, a black woman, was portrayed positively. She does have her memory wiped like Clyde and Rani's mums, which is a bit disappointing, but she is aware of other events and incidents. Her lack of a major appearance in seasons 4 & 5 is probably another part of the shows downfall.

...What the fuck?

According to your very own link, she was due to appear in the second half of Series 5, which was never filmed because of Sladen's death.
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Postby Astrolinium » Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:16 pm

The Sublime Island Kingdom of Astrolinium
Ilia Franchisco Attore, King Attorio Maldive III
North Carolina | NSIndex Page | Embassies
Pop: 3,082 | Tech: MT | DEFCON: 5-4-3-2-1
SEE YOU SPACE COWBOY...
About Me: Ravenclaw, Gay, Cis Male, 5’4”.
"Don't you forget about me."

Ex-Delegate of Ankh Mauta | NSG Sodomy Club
Minor Acolyte of the Vast Jewlluminati Conspiracy™

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