The (Regenerated) Doctor Who Thread: Reverse the Polarity!

[Alvecia]

Weren't hostile at that point tho

They're ZYGONS. For cripes sake. Maybe if this episode was competently written and not a lazy edition of "Writer vents their political views", I wouldn't have an issue with it. But guess what? It wasn't.

Being Zygons doesn't neccesarily make them hostile. That would be a characteristic that lazy writing would provide.

[Ameriganastan]

They're ZYGONS. For cripes sake. Maybe if this episode was competently written and not a lazy edition of "Writer vents their political views", I wouldn't have an issue with it. But guess what? It wasn't.

Being Zygons doesn't neccesarily make them hostile. That would be a characteristic that lazy writing would provide.

Name me an episode before this that presented Zygon's as good guys. Hell, I'd sooner buy the DALEKS as sympathetic. Least that's been done moderately well before...and God-awful that one time. But at least there's a precedent.

[Astrolinium]

Being Zygons doesn't neccesarily make them hostile. That would be a characteristic that lazy writing would provide.

Name me an episode before this that presented Zygon's as good guys. Hell, I'd sooner buy the DALEKS as sympathetic. Least that's been done moderately well before...and God-awful that one time. But at least there's a precedent.

How is precedent supposed to be established if it's unbelievable without precedent?

[Alvecia]

Being Zygons doesn't neccesarily make them hostile. That would be a characteristic that lazy writing would provide.

Name me an episode before this that presented Zygon's as good guys. Hell, I'd sooner buy the DALEKS as sympathetic. Least that's been done moderately well before...and God-awful that one time. But at least there's a precedent.

You don't need precedent, else how would you ever be able to create the first story in which they were good?
Precedent has to start somewhere. Now we have it.
Besides, it's less that they were "the good guys" and more that they were a neutral party. Like that one Zygon in the episode itself that just wanted to be left alone, but was forced into it's Zygon form by the rebel faction.

[Ameriganastan]

Name me an episode before this that presented Zygon's as good guys. Hell, I'd sooner buy the DALEKS as sympathetic. Least that's been done moderately well before...and God-awful that one time. But at least there's a precedent.

You don't need precedent, else how would you ever be able to create the first story in which they were good?
Precedent has to start somewhere. Now we have it.
Besides, it's less that they were "the good guys" and more that they were a neutral party. Like that one Zygon in the episode itself that just wanted to be left alone, but was forced into it's Zygon form by the rebel faction.

Neutral party? They're murderous assholes. Even the least hostile ones in that episode were still complete, unlikable dickheads. And I'm supposed to feel sorry for them cause a writer had watched too much cable news that week? My ass.

[Alvecia]

You don't need precedent, else how would you ever be able to create the first story in which they were good?
Precedent has to start somewhere. Now we have it.
Besides, it's less that they were "the good guys" and more that they were a neutral party. Like that one Zygon in the episode itself that just wanted to be left alone, but was forced into it's Zygon form by the rebel faction.

Neutral party? They're murderous assholes. Even the least hostile ones in that episode were still complete, unlikable dickheads. And I'm supposed to feel sorry for them cause a writer had watched too much cable news that week? My ass.

The rebel faction were murderous arseholes, we don't know for sure about the rest of them. I suspect your bias against Zygons in previous stories is negatively affecting your opinion of the ones in this one, which actually seems rather appropriate to the message of the episode, no?

[Ameriganastan]

Neutral party? They're murderous assholes. Even the least hostile ones in that episode were still complete, unlikable dickheads. And I'm supposed to feel sorry for them cause a writer had watched too much cable news that week? My ass.

The rebel faction were murderous arseholes, we don't know for sure about the rest of them. I suspect your bias against Zygons in previous stories is negatively affecting your opinion of the ones in this one, which actually seems rather appropriate to the message of the episode, no?

There is no bias. Like I said, if this episode had one iota of competent writing to it, I'd have bought it. But alas, it did not. Cause as I said, even freaking Daleks can be made sympathetic with good enough writing. Which was nowhere near this shit of a two-parter.

[Astrolinium]

Episode 3 Title and Details Revealed

I'm, uh, a little wary about this one. I hope it's handled well.

On the one hand, the fact that Parks is described as a "civil rights campaigner" gives me hope they're not going to just portray her as a tired woman who just wanted to sit down like so many US History textbooks do. On the other hand, it would just be super easy to mess something like this up.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Episode 3 Title and Details Revealed

I'm, uh, a little wary about this one. I hope it's handled well.

On the one hand, the fact that Parks is described as a "civil rights campaigner" gives me hope they're not going to just portray her as a tired woman who just wanted to sit down like so many US History textbooks do. On the other hand, it would just be super easy to mess something like this up.

It's Malorie Blackman. I'm sure she'll do fine.

[Ameriganastan]

Episode 3 Title and Details Revealed

I'm, uh, a little wary about this one. I hope it's handled well.

On the one hand, the fact that Parks is described as a "civil rights campaigner" gives me hope they're not going to just portray her as a tired woman who just wanted to sit down like so many US History textbooks do. On the other hand, it would just be super easy to mess something like this up.

Oh, boy...

[Democratic Republic of Cacusia]

Neutral party? They're murderous assholes. Even the least hostile ones in that episode were still complete, unlikable dickheads. And I'm supposed to feel sorry for them cause a writer had watched too much cable news that week? My ass.

The rebel faction were murderous arseholes, we don't know for sure about the rest of them. I suspect your bias against Zygons in previous stories is negatively affecting your opinion of the ones in this one, which actually seems rather appropriate to the message of the episode, no?

I agree, The questions that those episodes brought up was very interesting and it did show that not all Zygons are bad, it was one small rebel faction. I also thought the writing was Ok.

[Earthbound Immortal Squad]

Being Zygons doesn't neccesarily make them hostile. That would be a characteristic that lazy writing would provide.

Name me an episode before this that presented Zygon's as good guys. Hell, I'd sooner buy the DALEKS as sympathetic. Least that's been done moderately well before...and God-awful that one time. But at least there's a precedent.

You kidding I thought the Dalek sec one was great it's shows the instinct to survive when alone (something I can appreciate) the main reason he turned away from from the Dalek was the human DNA from Diagoras (spelling may be wrong)

[The Huskar Social Union]

I loved the episodes with the Daleks in NYC. Especially Dalek Sec

[Ameriganastan]

Name me an episode before this that presented Zygon's as good guys. Hell, I'd sooner buy the DALEKS as sympathetic. Least that's been done moderately well before...and God-awful that one time. But at least there's a precedent.

You kidding I thought the Dalek sec one was great it's shows the instinct to survive when alone (something I can appreciate) the main reason he turned away from from the Dalek was the human DNA from Diagoras (spelling may be wrong)

I loved the episodes with the Daleks in NYC. Especially Dalek Sec

...Yeah, I've already had an argument about a shitty two-parter today. Think I'll just not bother with this one.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

I liked Sec too.

[The Huskar Social Union]

You kidding I thought the Dalek sec one was great it's shows the instinct to survive when alone (something I can appreciate) the main reason he turned away from from the Dalek was the human DNA from Diagoras (spelling may be wrong)

I loved the episodes with the Daleks in NYC. Especially Dalek Sec

...Yeah, I've already had an argument about a shitty two-parter today. Think I'll just not bother with this one.

Yeah i wouldnt care if you wanted to argue about it, you not liking it does not bother me, each their own.

[Philjia]

Name me an episode before this that presented Zygon's as good guys. Hell, I'd sooner buy the DALEKS as sympathetic. Least that's been done moderately well before...and God-awful that one time. But at least there's a precedent.

You kidding I thought the Dalek sec one was great it's shows the instinct to survive when alone (something I can appreciate) the main reason he turned away from from the Dalek was the human DNA from Diagoras (spelling may be wrong)

It's literally just a retread of The Evil of the Daleks, but it's not that bad.

[Vassenor]

You kidding I thought the Dalek sec one was great it's shows the instinct to survive when alone (something I can appreciate) the main reason he turned away from from the Dalek was the human DNA from Diagoras (spelling may be wrong)

It's literally just a retread of The Evil of the Daleks, but it's not that bad.

Did that episode devolve into hentai as well?

[Philjia]

It's literally just a retread of The Evil of the Daleks, but it's not that bad.

Did that episode devolve into hentai as well?

Er, not quite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjRqKOQ1nB0

[Earthbound Immortal Squad]

Well I think we can all safely guess what the series finale will be based on.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Solid episode i liked it, but still not blown away by anything just yet.

IT HAS A FUCKING CUSTARD CREAM DISPENSER!

This is factually the greatest Tardis ever because of this, you disagree you are literally wrong.


Anyway for the other non important stuff. Acting was good, i still thought Yaz was the weakest so far, Doctor was good, i liked both of the performances from Epso and Angstrom, robots were cool looking but they couldnt hit the broadside of a barn. Creepy ass cloth strips of doom were cool, i liked them. General plot was alright, i wonder then if the Stenza are going to be the series antagonists (or at least a recurring enemy for this series) since they were mentioned in this episode.

Wonder what the Timeless Child line is referring to.

[Philjia]

+ An good idea, tightly plotted.
+ Good side characters
+ Mostly excellent cinematography and production design.
+ Graham's a great companion...
- ...Ryan and Yas less so.
- Jodie is the weak link. She's just the Tenth Doctor, but without the quality of David Tennant's performance.
- 50 minutes is still fundamentally too little time for a proper Doctor Who story.
- Dodgy CG looks even worse with the nice cinematography.
- The new TARDIS interior is visual excrement.

6/10, not setting my world on fire but not leaving me reaching for the sick bucket either.

Going forward, I think that a lot of the stories are going to be hampered by the excessively large TARDIS crew and the general lack of quality permeating 3/4 of them.

[Kannap]

Saw this thread had posts but didn't think about it being Sunday. Gotta avoid this thread until tomorrow, when I can buy the episode on Amazon.

[Philjia]

Hang on, that was just Enlightenment with a less weird premise, and having three companions didn't work in that story either, and it was 100 minutes long.

EDIT:

Oh God, that small light inside the TARDIS is police box shaped. Who fucking designed this shit?

[The Two Jerseys]

Right, thoughts after one episode:

• Was Jodie's voice always that squeaky? I haven't seen Broadchurch in a while...
• I liked her better as a brunette
• Nobody cares about the supporting characters enough to justify wasting that much time on the fact that the dude can't ride a bike
• They killed off the wrong black person
• The wardrobe change was totally unnecessary, we don't need the Doctor turning into Steve Urkel...
• Too much attention paid to the supporting characters in this episode, couldn't get a good feel on how Jodie is as the Doctor