League Of Legends Thread

[Infected Mushroom]

Do you play engage supps besides Pyke?

Engage supports are my preference. My only M7 in fact (Alistar) is one. I've got him, Pyke, Leona, Rakan and maybe Blitz if he counts as an engage support.

Engage supports also make up 3 (Al, Pyke and Rakan) of my 5 highest ranked champs. The other 2 being Soraka and Cho'Gath.

My classification is really rusty so I could be wrong

Blitz (and Thresh) I think are “Catchers”

Naut, Leona, and Alistar are engage supports formally (although if memory serves, Riot officially classified Alistar as something else)

Is Pyke a catcher? Maybe he’s an “Assassin” since he can go in and out of fights?

Rakkan is... an enchanter? (But it’s a bit weird to put him with Sona, Lulu, Jana.. maybe it’s becsuse he’s a Modern champion with flashier gameplay and more outplay options)

Cho is what... I have idea. A juggernaut with CC?

[Ameriganastan]

Rakkan is... an enchanter? (But it’s a bit weird to put him with Sona, Lulu, Jana.. maybe it’s becsuse he’s a Modern champion with flashier gameplay and more outplay options)

Eh. Seems like an engage support to me.

Cho is what... I have idea. A juggernaut with CC?

I didn't say I play Cho as support. I was just saying he's one of my highest ranked champs.

[Alvecia]

I tried playing some Leona. Got a ton of assists. She seems really really similar to Nautilus though.

I think I will field and practice both. Can someone good at crunching numbers tell me?

Which of the 2 is better?

It seems that Naut R is point and click (more reliable) but Leo’s skillshot R has far more range (but you can miss)?

I've played Leona quite a bit, so I'm somewhat biased when I say I think Leona is better.

She's very, very good at locking down a single target for a long time.

Nautilus is better at spreading out his engage what with being able to auto each enemy champ at least once before the passive cooldown kicks in and his Ult being able to tear through a team to the backline.
But it comes at the cost of not locking them down for as long given that his passive has a fairly long cooldown before it can be used on the same target and it's only a root, not a stun, so it can't interrupt a lot of casts nor prevent attacks.

Overall I'd say that Naut has more damage. His abilities do more damage in general and they scale better with AP if you're so inclined.

To reduce the chance of whiffing your R, try engaging with an W> E > Q > R combo.

Don't underestimate the power of the resists on her W. It's not as visible as Naut's shield so it can go unnoticed by yourself and the enemy, but the flat damage reduction and beefy resists make her surprisingly tanky.

Her Q has a really good cooldown as well, being 5 base, 3 at full CDR, so in any extended engages she can stick to a target and basically make them hate their life.

You can also E flash, but it has some really tight timing.

[Infected Mushroom]

I tried playing some Leona. Got a ton of assists. She seems really really similar to Nautilus though.

I think I will field and practice both. Can someone good at crunching numbers tell me?

Which of the 2 is better?

It seems that Naut R is point and click (more reliable) but Leo’s skillshot R has far more range (but you can miss)?

I've played Leona quite a bit, so I'm somewhat biased when I say I think Leona is better.

She's very, very good at locking down a single target for a long time.

Nautilus is better at spreading out his engage what with being able to auto each enemy champ at least once before the passive cooldown kicks in and his Ult being able to tear through a team to the backline.
But it comes at the cost of not locking them down for as long given that his passive has a fairly long cooldown before it can be used on the same target and it's only a root, not a stun, so it can't interrupt a lot of casts nor prevent attacks.

Overall I'd say that Naut has more damage. His abilities do more damage in general and they scale better with AP if you're so inclined.

To reduce the chance of whiffing your R, try engaging with an W> E > Q > R combo.

Don't underestimate the power of the resists on her W. It's not as visible as Naut's shield so it can go unnoticed by yourself and the enemy, but the flat damage reduction and beefy resists make her surprisingly tanky.

Her Q has a really good cooldown as well, being 5 base, 3 at full CDR, so in any extended engages she can stick to a target and basically make them hate their life.

You can also E flash, but it has some really tight timing.

Oh wow... good info

Imma practice Leo more since Naut is already a huge comfort pick

I still suck at Blitz and Thresh though, they play (to me) as worse versions of Leo and Naut but I’m prolly just playing them really really wrong

[Alvecia]

I've played Leona quite a bit, so I'm somewhat biased when I say I think Leona is better.

She's very, very good at locking down a single target for a long time.

Nautilus is better at spreading out his engage what with being able to auto each enemy champ at least once before the passive cooldown kicks in and his Ult being able to tear through a team to the backline.
But it comes at the cost of not locking them down for as long given that his passive has a fairly long cooldown before it can be used on the same target and it's only a root, not a stun, so it can't interrupt a lot of casts nor prevent attacks.

Overall I'd say that Naut has more damage. His abilities do more damage in general and they scale better with AP if you're so inclined.

To reduce the chance of whiffing your R, try engaging with an W> E > Q > R combo.

Don't underestimate the power of the resists on her W. It's not as visible as Naut's shield so it can go unnoticed by yourself and the enemy, but the flat damage reduction and beefy resists make her surprisingly tanky.

Her Q has a really good cooldown as well, being 5 base, 3 at full CDR, so in any extended engages she can stick to a target and basically make them hate their life.

You can also E flash, but it has some really tight timing.

Oh wow... good info

Imma practice Leo more since Naut is already a huge comfort pick

I still suck at Blitz and Thresh though, they play (to me) as worse versions of Leo and Naut but I’m prolly just playing them really really wrong

Blitz and Thresh are pretty reliant on their hooks to be effective. I haven't played them as much to be honest, though Thresh is always fun to play when I do.

Interestingly I think Thresh and Blitz are actually two different kind of hook champs.

Blitz is more of a pick hook. You grab an enemy champ and blow them up before the rest of their team can effectively engage.

Thresh on the other hand is more of a hook engage champ. You hook the champ, then reactivate it to go in and trap them with your R, using the flay to stick to them.

[Infected Mushroom]

Oh wow... good info

Imma practice Leo more since Naut is already a huge comfort pick

I still suck at Blitz and Thresh though, they play (to me) as worse versions of Leo and Naut but I’m prolly just playing them really really wrong

Blitz and Thresh are pretty reliant on their hooks to be effective. I haven't played them as much to be honest, though Thresh is always fun to play when I do.

Interestingly I think Thresh and Blitz are actually two different kind of hook champs.

Blitz is more of a pick hook. You grab an enemy champ and blow them up before the rest of their team can effectively engage.

Thresh on the other hand is more of a hook engage champ. You hook the champ, then reactivate it to go in and trap them with your R, using the flay to stick to them.

I'm now pretty confident on playing Leona, I think she's up to Nautilus level service standard reliability now.

(I still 100% SUCK at Thresh and Blitz, doesn't matter if I win lane, I have 1/10th the impact in team fights compared to Leona/Nautilus)

What I have seen so far:

Nautilus Pros:
Hook has greater range than Leona
Situational Escape and Mobility with the Hook Dashes
Ultimate is point and click
Knock-up Synergy with Yasuo
More Damage than Leona across all abilities and with Shield Bash rune armed

Leona Pros:
Q is a spammable point and click STUN with max CDR, this combined with E makes her a slightly stickier than Nautilus (Stuns > brief roots)
Feels Tankier overall because W gives Resistances (while Naut W just gives health)
Ultimate has a greater range and has a LOWER COOLDOWN making it more spammable (but at the cost of it being a skill shot)
"Hook" (E) can go through minions to hit champions
If you miss your E against champions and hit minions instead... you won't dash forward like a fool (cough cough Naut) and trigger a bad fight accidentally
Less damage in 1 vs 1 than Naut but more damage potential because allies attacking CC-ed champions trigger magic damage passive

...

So it seems that Riot has done a decent job balancing the two kits against each other. It's really really hard to pick all of that apart and definitely decide who is Better.

My answer is to play both lol

[Gordfield]

Blitz and Thresh are pretty reliant on their hooks to be effective. I haven't played them as much to be honest, though Thresh is always fun to play when I do.

Interestingly I think Thresh and Blitz are actually two different kind of hook champs.

Blitz is more of a pick hook. You grab an enemy champ and blow them up before the rest of their team can effectively engage.

Thresh on the other hand is more of a hook engage champ. You hook the champ, then reactivate it to go in and trap them with your R, using the flay to stick to them.

I'm now pretty confident on playing Leona, I think she's up to Nautilus level service standard reliability now.

(I still 100% SUCK at Thresh and Blitz, doesn't matter if I win lane, I have 1/10th the impact in team fights compared to Leona/Nautilus)

What I have seen so far:

Nautilus Pros:
Hook has greater range than Leona
Situational Escape and Mobility with the Hook Dashes
Ultimate is point and click
Knock-up Synergy with Yasuo
More Damage than Leona across all abilities and with Shield Bash rune armed

Leona Pros:
Q is a spammable point and click STUN with max CDR, this combined with E makes her a slightly stickier than Nautilus (Stuns > brief roots)
Feels Tankier overall because W gives Resistances (while Naut W just gives health)
Ultimate has a greater range and has a LOWER COOLDOWN making it more spammable (but at the cost of it being a skill shot)
"Hook" (E) can go through minions to hit champions
If you miss your E against champions and hit minions instead... you won't dash forward like a fool (cough cough Naut) and trigger a bad fight accidentally
Less damage in 1 vs 1 than Naut but more damage potential because allies attacking CC-ed champions trigger magic damage passive

...

So it seems that Riot has done a decent job balancing the two kits against each other. It's really really hard to pick all of that apart and definitely decide who is Better.

My answer is to play both lol

To be fair blitz isn’t really designed to influence teamfights on the same level as Thresh, Naut, or Leona. I usually play him as a single pick champ who is scary/annoying later because of his potential to just kinda pop you late game is his team stays with him. If you want some good blitz games I can probably pull up a few recently with a ridiculous q hit rate. You really wanna try to predict movement with the line skill shots.

Also something completely different AP malphite is really fun but can’t carry if your team is feeding. Like I can one shot half their team but then not much after that

[Infected Mushroom]

I'm now pretty confident on playing Leona, I think she's up to Nautilus level service standard reliability now.

(I still 100% SUCK at Thresh and Blitz, doesn't matter if I win lane, I have 1/10th the impact in team fights compared to Leona/Nautilus)

What I have seen so far:

Nautilus Pros:
Hook has greater range than Leona
Situational Escape and Mobility with the Hook Dashes
Ultimate is point and click
Knock-up Synergy with Yasuo
More Damage than Leona across all abilities and with Shield Bash rune armed

Leona Pros:
Q is a spammable point and click STUN with max CDR, this combined with E makes her a slightly stickier than Nautilus (Stuns > brief roots)
Feels Tankier overall because W gives Resistances (while Naut W just gives health)
Ultimate has a greater range and has a LOWER COOLDOWN making it more spammable (but at the cost of it being a skill shot)
"Hook" (E) can go through minions to hit champions
If you miss your E against champions and hit minions instead... you won't dash forward like a fool (cough cough Naut) and trigger a bad fight accidentally
Less damage in 1 vs 1 than Naut but more damage potential because allies attacking CC-ed champions trigger magic damage passive

...

So it seems that Riot has done a decent job balancing the two kits against each other. It's really really hard to pick all of that apart and definitely decide who is Better.

My answer is to play both lol

To be fair blitz isn’t really designed to influence teamfights on the same level as Thresh, Naut, or Leona. I usually play him as a single pick champ who is scary/annoying later because of his potential to just kinda pop you late game is his team stays with him. If you want some good blitz games I can probably pull up a few recently with a ridiculous q hit rate. You really wanna try to predict movement with the line skill shots.

Also something completely different AP malphite is really fun but can’t carry if your team is feeding. Like I can one shot half their team but then not much after that

I suck at Blitz (win lane lose game for me or straight loss from start), it’s so hard for me to play support without Solar Flare/Depth Charge... I guess for now that’s my playstyle for that lane

For top I’m thinking of reviving the Maokai pick. I heard he’s not great in this meta but he’s like the Naut/Leo of top lane and he’d round out my over reliance on Mordekaiser/Vladimir for top.

...

By the way, does anyone else find it hard to get used to the idea that Lux is now apparently a meta support and not a meta mid????

She’s more popular support now since when????

It’s so weird...

Did Neeko and Zoe push her out of Mid? What changed?

[Ameriganastan]

By the way, does anyone else find it hard to get used to the idea that Lux is now apparently a meta support and not a meta mid????

She’s more popular support now since when????

It’s so weird...

Did Neeko and Zoe push her out of Mid? What changed?

...Lux has always been a popular support. Least in casual.

[Infected Mushroom]

By the way, does anyone else find it hard to get used to the idea that Lux is now apparently a meta support and not a meta mid????

She’s more popular support now since when????

It’s so weird...

Did Neeko and Zoe push her out of Mid? What changed?

...Lux has always been a popular support. Least in casual.

I’ve seen her picked a lot but I believe last season champion.gg shows her overwhelmingly leading as a mid laner.

This is the first time I’ve seen her Support pick rate statistically overwhelm her Mid pick rate

I’m assuming it’s the longer cooldowns (vs her competition) and the costly/slow waveclear (vs the new mage champs)

[Alvecia]

...Lux has always been a popular support. Least in casual.

I’ve seen her picked a lot but I believe last season champion.gg shows her overwhelmingly leading as a mid laner.

This is the first time I’ve seen her Support pick rate statistically overwhelm her Mid pick rate

I’m assuming it’s the longer cooldowns (vs her competition) and the costly/slow waveclear (vs the new mage champs)

She really grew in popularity when you could run the Aftershock rune on her.
She could proc with her Q and get mega resists as well as being high damage.

Aftershock has since been nerfed, so it's no longer as good on her, but she's still a top tier support.
Good CC, good damage, a pretty beefy shield. Sure pretty immobile and squishy, but that's a weakness shared by other enchanter supports.

They nerfed her shield as well actually iirc.

[Infected Mushroom]

I’ve seen her picked a lot but I believe last season champion.gg shows her overwhelmingly leading as a mid laner.

This is the first time I’ve seen her Support pick rate statistically overwhelm her Mid pick rate

I’m assuming it’s the longer cooldowns (vs her competition) and the costly/slow waveclear (vs the new mage champs)

She really grew in popularity when you could run the Aftershock rune on her.
She could proc with her Q and get mega resists as well as being high damage.

Aftershock has since been nerfed, so it's no longer as good on her, but she's still a top tier support.
Good CC, good damage, a pretty beefy shield. Sure pretty immobile and squishy, but that's a weakness shared by other enchanter supports.

They nerfed her shield as well actually iirc.

I love Aftershock

I run it on all my tanks

The effect of it going off looks so cool too

[Alvecia]

She really grew in popularity when you could run the Aftershock rune on her.
She could proc with her Q and get mega resists as well as being high damage.

Aftershock has since been nerfed, so it's no longer as good on her, but she's still a top tier support.
Good CC, good damage, a pretty beefy shield. Sure pretty immobile and squishy, but that's a weakness shared by other enchanter supports.

They nerfed her shield as well actually iirc.

I love Aftershock

I run it on all my tanks

The effect of it going off looks so cool too

It's funny on Leona cause you get the double burst from Aftershock and her W

[Gordfield]

I love Aftershock

I run it on all my tanks

The effect of it going off looks so cool too

It's funny on Leona cause you get the double burst from Aftershock and her W

Yeah iv’e checked and it can scale up to like 300 per with just one item

[Ameriganastan]

I love Aftershock

I run it on all my tanks

The effect of it going off looks so cool too

Same. Use it on like all my tanks except Cho.

[Infected Mushroom]

Leona is honestly really strong though. I’m getting 20 plus assists every other game or something. She’s like some sort of anime commander, just going in and locking everyone down.

And that R has a ridiculously low cooldown. It’s almost like a basic ability once you get the CDR in

I highly recommend her.

[Ameriganastan]

Leona is honestly really strong though. I’m getting 20 plus assists every other game or something. She’s like some sort of anime commander, just going in and locking everyone down.

And that R has a ridiculously low cooldown. It’s almost like a basic ability once you get the CDR in

I highly recommend her.

Don't have to tell me.

[Ameriganastan]

...You know what I just realized? I've never played Corki. Like ever. 6 years, 5 accounts and I've never touched him. I've played literally every champ in the game except him...time to fix that.

EDIT: And it went quite well.

[Ameriganastan]

A VO update for Ashe. Neat.

[Infected Mushroom]

A VO update for Ashe. Neat.

Hmmmm

Is it just me or does anyone else feel like the VO sounds like a drama student (high school or 1st year college), now a GOOD over achieving student reading off some lines and trying to inject some emotions on a trial 1 basis?

Like... something just feels flat about it

[Infected Mushroom]

Leona is honestly really strong though. I’m getting 20 plus assists every other game or something. She’s like some sort of anime commander, just going in and locking everyone down.

And that R has a ridiculously low cooldown. It’s almost like a basic ability once you get the CDR in

I highly recommend her.

Don't have to tell me.

I went back to Naut now because I miss the Leo R’s stun circle too often (its a small radius that requires some precision)

Eh

[Ameriganastan]

...So I guess Riot decided they needed their own launcher now? Not sure why a company with one game needs that. Feels like it does nothing but make logging in take longer.

[Infected Mushroom]

...So I guess Riot decided they needed their own launcher now? Not sure why a company with one game needs that. Feels like it does nothing but make logging in take longer.

Uh oh...

Is that what’s waiting for me at home?

[Ameriganastan]

...So I guess Riot decided they needed their own launcher now? Not sure why a company with one game needs that. Feels like it does nothing but make logging in take longer.

Uh oh...

Is that what’s waiting for me at home?

Not sure. Some people say it hasn't kicked in for them yet, but it's probably coming.

[Infected Mushroom]

Can’t wait for the Viktor buffs though

The upgraded built in slows to all spells are going to feel AMAZING

In fact, he may be busted