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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:43 am

Doom Legions wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:How long do these ''reworks'' usually take from the time the developer's start talking about it? Weeks? Months? Years?

I am very nervous about this proposed Vladimir rework, especially as I've heard whispers about this ''Stashu'' and his controversial rework of Cassiopeia. Anyone know what this rework involved? How widespread is the opinion that the rework ''ruined'' Cassiopeia?

The posts that go ''Stashu is working on Vlad. RIP Vlad'' sends shivers down my spine.

I wonder if I should start posting and begging Riot to leave my vampire alone...

I hope they do not destroy one of my favourite champions...

It's Riot, they do whatever they want and generally don't give two shits about the concequenses, kids will keep buying rito points either way.


http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en ... age-update

Apparently this is part of a Big 6 Mage Update rework. The other candidates are Cassiopeia, Vel Koz, Zyra, Malhazar, and Brand.

Well... at least they'll leave my Annie alone (for now, in the future, who knows).

If they wreck Vladimir, its going to leave a very bad taste in my mouth.

Also, why the heck target Vladimir? He isn't even upsetting the meta, in the last 50 games I've played he's maybe been picked only twice by the enemy team in any lane. He's not even popular.

Also, it worries me that some of the developers seem to suggest/imply that Vladimir lacks ''distinctiveness'' or that there's no reason to pick him over another mage. There's plenty of reasons to do so. He's a short-range AOE DPS damage dealer with lots of sustain, a reliable escape, and an Ultimate with damage amplification; against some picks he has a very strong laning phase... against others he gets destroyed (ex Riven). He's a VERY unique champion, very distinctive with clear strengths and weaknesses.

Some of the suggestions on the board are some of the worst ideas I have ever seen.

[*] Health gained from using Q can be ''stolen back'' by the enemy within a time frame
[*] Turn Q into a skill shot
[*] Keep R's damage amplification but change it so that it doesn't apply UNTIL it pops, like Zed's Ult (to give the enemy a chance to Zhonya or QSS the ult completely?)

I sure hope Lord Stashu will not choose to humour these people. REALLY? Seriously? The champion would be wrecked....

Given the nature of some of these suggestions, I'm surprised it hasn't been suggested that Vladimir should be reworked so that he can switch between Giant Bat and human form.
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Postby Torisakia » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:35 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:How long do these ''reworks'' usually take from the time the developer's start talking about it? Weeks? Months? Years?

I am very nervous about this proposed Vladimir rework, especially as I've heard whispers about this ''Stashu'' and his controversial rework of Cassiopeia. Anyone know what this rework involved? How widespread is the opinion that the rework ''ruined'' Cassiopeia?

The posts that go ''Stashu is working on Vlad. RIP Vlad'' sends shivers down my spine.

I wonder if I should start posting and begging Riot to leave my vampire alone...

I hope they do not destroy one of my favourite champions...

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Postby Grand Britannia » Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:45 am

Torisakia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:How long do these ''reworks'' usually take from the time the developer's start talking about it? Weeks? Months? Years?

I am very nervous about this proposed Vladimir rework, especially as I've heard whispers about this ''Stashu'' and his controversial rework of Cassiopeia. Anyone know what this rework involved? How widespread is the opinion that the rework ''ruined'' Cassiopeia?

The posts that go ''Stashu is working on Vlad. RIP Vlad'' sends shivers down my spine.

I wonder if I should start posting and begging Riot to leave my vampire alone...

I hope they do not destroy one of my favourite champions...

With Riot, soon™.


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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:26 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:
Torisakia wrote:With Riot, soon™.


It's always SoonTM, with Riot.


I just did it.

I've added my crazy suggestion for the rework (might as well with all the crazy stuff other people are suggesting; if its going to be crazy, better a crazy buff than a crazy nerf; hey I don't wan to see people ''steal back'' the heath Vladimir takes with his Q).

I suggested that after casting his R, Vladimir gains a window of time until the R pops where he can walk around and Ignite every enemy champion once (whether or nor they've been hit with R or not). I said that this was supposed to be a tribute to Anne Rice's vampire Lestat who can set people on fire with the power of his mind. If this gets implemented, I am going to laugh myself to death...

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Postby Kractero » Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:52 pm

This new champion doesn't look very good.

Here's to buffs to make him good!
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Postby Ameriganastan » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:12 pm

Kractero wrote:This new champion doesn't look very good.

Here's to buffs to make him good!

Buffs aren't gonna help this guy. He looks BORING. His design is boring, his abilities are boring, his personality is boring...what a letdown.
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Postby Kractero » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:16 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Kractero wrote:This new champion doesn't look very good.

Here's to buffs to make him good!

Buffs aren't gonna help this guy. He looks BORING. His design is boring, his abilities are boring, his personality is boring...what a letdown.

Passive- Mundo's W and Diana's shield

Q- Gragas E that takes the CC away from the dash and puts it into a projectile

W- Mundo's W and Diana's shield

E- Bard's E

R- Vel'Koz, Rumble, Braum ult.

Alas, the direction Riot takes.

Buffs on his passive will help him a lot. If they buff his W and Passive he has the potential to be cancer. But we should wait to see his numbers...
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Postby Ameriganastan » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:25 pm

Who is this mysterious stranger? It's Definitely Not Vel'Koz. Doesn't even look like him...
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Postby Zarkenis Ultima » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:38 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:Who is this mysterious stranger? It's Definitely Not Vel'Koz. Doesn't even look like him...


Oh man, that's a great skin. :lol:
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:52 pm

Kractero wrote:This new champion doesn't look very good.

Here's to buffs to make him good!


he looks a bit like Thanos, except serpentine

it sounds like he's inevitably going to push the wave with his passive and just get Ganked as a laner... maybe put him in JG if his stats and passive allow it? There's some CC and mobility for Ganks, he could disengage counter JGs or even counter JG himself. The orbiting stars would help with JG farm and early battles.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:38 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLTLIlMoWoI

The new champ in action on the PBE.

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Postby Gothmogs » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:00 am

Watching the gameplay he actually does a nice amount of damage if played right. The problem is you have to have good positioning in order to do proper damage. I love that you can q and then e all the way from your nexus to the end of the enemy's jungle and unleash a massive star that's bigger than the baron and dragon pit combined. I think his main problem is that you can't do any damage if an enemy is inside your star passive, but they have the ultimate and stun for that, so you can position back into a damaging position.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:09 pm

Rammus or Volibear better in your opinion?

I've just picked up Rammus and he seems very intuitive to play and effective at all levels. I just love the mobility with Q (gap-closing with Voli was a pain, even though now I'm thinking of taking Movement Speed Quints with him). I just think that Rammus has a better late game and overall more intuitive gameplay.

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Postby Ameriganastan » Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:52 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Rammus or Volibear better in your opinion?

I've just picked up Rammus and he seems very intuitive to play and effective at all levels. I just love the mobility with Q (gap-closing with Voli was a pain, even though now I'm thinking of taking Movement Speed Quints with him). I just think that Rammus has a better late game and overall more intuitive gameplay.

Never played either. But Voli seems the more picked.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:38 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Rammus or Volibear better in your opinion?

I've just picked up Rammus and he seems very intuitive to play and effective at all levels. I just love the mobility with Q (gap-closing with Voli was a pain, even though now I'm thinking of taking Movement Speed Quints with him). I just think that Rammus has a better late game and overall more intuitive gameplay.

Never played either. But Voli seems the more picked.


Yeah I see lots of Volibears. I'm confused why Rammus isn't favoured.

I don't know how the numbers actually work out, but it seems that theoretically Rammus is better in all respects. Both of them are very tanky characters with strong early Ganks who later transition into a front-line bruiser peel/limited initiation role.

It's easier to kite Volibear's Q than Rammus' Q (Rammus is faster). Rammus' Q can also be launched from a greater distance away. To compensate for the lower mobility, Voli may have to run movement speed somewhere in the runes page, which means sacrifices in armor or attack speed (which Rammus could run in the same slot). This is also an advantage for Rammus in team fights... he can reposition/chase/disengage a lot easier.

Their ultimates basically do the same thing except Rammus' can target a single champion multiple times.

Both of them do more damage the tankier they become (Rammus based on AD, Voli based on health). The problem with Voli though is that he has to land his Ws in order to use this advantage and W can't be used until AFTER he's landed a few auto attacks first. His W could miss (when he engages, the enemy may have moved away by the time he has enough attacks in to proc the W). On the other hand, Rammus' passive IMMEDIATELY converts a fraction of his armour into attack damage. So as soon as Rammus goes into a fight, his passive will ensure increased damage. Volibear has to stick to his target for a while before he can use his W. So while their itemisation is very similar (both build tons of protection items), Rammus gets a more consistent and reliable advantage for it.

Rammus also seems to have better peel. When you throw with Volibear you could throw the enemy champion in the wrong direction (there is greater room for error). Rammus? Just hit E and the enemy is literally forced to attack you while hurting themselves because of your W.

Am I missing something or does Rammus just seem like a better version of Voli? Volibear may have a powerful passive but Rammus' W offers tons of extra protection and Tankiness at later levels anyways.
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Postby Doom Legions » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:44 pm

Voli deals more damage overall and generally has a little bit of a different playstyle, wich may appeal to people more.

Also I'm sure there are plenty of people that prefer to be a bear over and armadillo and vice versa.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:20 pm

Doom Legions wrote:Voli deals more damage overall and generally has a little bit of a different playstyle, wich may appeal to people more.

Also I'm sure there are plenty of people that prefer to be a bear over and armadillo and vice versa.


But he's not just a simple armadillo.

He's basically a reincarnation of Bowser! He's the BOWS (''the boss'')!

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:07 pm

I'm having a field day with Rammus. His late game is unbelievable (love the Taunt and the Armor with the damaging abilities when the enemy hits you).

Early Ganks are unbelievably effective. He just tanks everything, is super mobile with CDR runes, and can make some great plays.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:03 am



The Gragas is still strong in you I see...

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Postby Ameriganastan » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:23 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:


The Gragas is still strong in you I see...

I may main Ori now, but I never forget how to play Grag.
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Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity

Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.

Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*

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Postby Ameriganastan » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:32 am

Next game: Some guy took Gragas before me. Went 1-8 in mid lane. It's a damn insult to the man. And then he quit. Glad he was on the other team.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:20 pm

Best Void Champ goes to Kha'Zix. Rengar is not pleased.

And now I need ideas for a new poll.
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Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity

Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.

Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*

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Postby Zarkenis Ultima » Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:21 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:Best Void Champ goes to Kha'Zix. Rengar is not pleased.

And now I need ideas for a new poll.


Best lore rivalry, maybe?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:37 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:Best Void Champ goes to Kha'Zix. Rengar is not pleased.

And now I need ideas for a new poll.


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